Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

Sharpyshoot · 12-03-2021 02:16AM

Time to turn off the WiFi graham. Less than two hours gone out of it yet.

PTH2009 · 12-03-2021 02:17AM

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

The suggestion of hospitality not opening this year is absurd. Why can’t the government make a road map out of this depression?

They don't want to be given people false hope or some other waffle is the reason and don't forget Variants

Before certain posters jump down my throat its not just about 'wanting to reopen just so i can have a few pints etc' it's about having the chance to live again and get back on track. Some people are better set up than others no doubt

Graham · 12-03-2021 02:28AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Before certain posters jump down my throat its not just about 'wanting to reopen just so i can have a few pints etc' it's about having the chance to live again and get back on track. Some people are better set up than others no doubt

I know we don't agree on the approach but for what its worth I absolutely hear what you're saying.

ypres5 · 12-03-2021 02:28AM

Graham wrote: »

Yes, when it comes to non essential international travel I do mean much more punitive.

So you have a check-up with the dentist in Lanzarote and your Mrs is accompanying you. I'll just take your passports if you'd like to follow me.

So you're out on bail for dangerous driving and you've checked in for the Madrid flight this afternoon. I'll just take your passport if you'd like to follow me.

I'm sorry sir, the quota for paying the €500 fine to continue your holiday was reached several days ago. I'll just take your passport if you'd like to follow me.

I'm sure you get the gist...

thanks for sharing your dictator fanfiction with us graham it was the highlight of my evening one can assume that the scum who dared to attempt to leave the country in your story were led away to face a summary socially distanced beheading

acequion · 12-03-2021 02:34AM

Graham wrote: »

Yes, when it comes to non essential international travel I do mean much more punitive.

So you have a check-up with the dentist in Lanzarote and your Mrs is accompanying you. I'll just take your passports if you'd like to follow me.

So you're out on bail for dangerous driving and you've checked in for the Madrid flight this afternoon. I'll just take your passport if you'd like to follow me.

I'm sorry sir, the quota for paying the €500 fine to continue your holiday was reached several days ago. I'll just take your passport if you'd like to follow me.

I'm sure you get the gist...

Yes, unfortunately I get your gist. That isn't just punitive. That's despotic. I actually find it bone chilling that someone would want to repress liberty of movement to that extent.

Graham · 12-03-2021 02:35AM

acequion wrote: »

Yes, unfortunately I get your gist. That isn't just punitive. That's despotic. I actually find it bone chilling that someone would want to repress liberty of movement to that extent.

Good to know, thanks.

Are you unaware of the current global pandemic thingy?

acequion · 12-03-2021 02:45AM

Graham wrote: »

Good to know, thanks.

Are you unaware of the current global pandemic thingy?

Fully aware. Are you unaware that the global pandemic thingy isn't an excuse to strip individuals of all their rights and summarily criminilise them, as you appear to suggest?

Graham · 12-03-2021 02:50AM

ypres5 wrote: »

thanks for sharing your dictator fanfiction with us graham it was the highlight of my evening one can assume that the scum who dared to attempt to leave the country in your story were led away to face a summary socially distanced beheading

Wow, that's some disturbing imagination there ypres5.

I was more thinking along the lines of "you've 2 choices here you can turn around and go home otherwise you'll be taken into custody pending a court appearance".

Weren't you the one suggesting a handful of repatriation flights were solely responsible for new variant in Ireland a few posts ago?

Now holidays are OK?

Your logic is confounding.

Graham · 12-03-2021 03:02AM

acequion wrote: »

Fully aware. Are you unaware that the global pandemic thingy isn't an excuse to strip individuals of all their rights and summarily criminilise them, as you appear to suggest?

I have no idea why you'd think I'm suggesting individuals should be stripped of all their rights and be summarily convicted.

I'm suggesting international travel restrictions should be enforced. I know, that's not nearly as dramatic as your interpretation. Sorry.

acequion · 12-03-2021 03:22AM

Graham wrote: »

I have no idea why you'd think I'm suggesting individuals should be stripped of all their rights and be summarily convicted.

I'm suggesting international travel restrictions should be enforced. I know, that's not nearly as dramatic as your interpretation. Sorry.

That's exactly what you suggested, stop implying otherwise. Criminilising people for leaving the country is despotic, as well as absurd and unsurprisingly no other country in the EU is attempting to go so far. You can have sensible travel restrictions without resorting to tyranny.

You'd even deprive people of the right to have medical or dental treatment abroad! Enough said.

Luckily this is just all in your fantasies, dream on!

UDAWINNER · 12-03-2021 03:28AM

acequion wrote: »

That's exactly what you suggested, stop implying otherwise. Criminilising people for leaving the country is despotic, as well as absurd and unsurprisingly no other country in the EU is attempting to go so far. You can have sensible travel restrictions without resorting to tyranny.

You'd even deprive people of the right to have medical or dental treatment abroad! Enough said.

Luckily this is just all in your fantasies, dream on!

You do realise that the vast majority are using this as an excuse, no intention of turning up just to say it was "essential". Anyone who does this is the sort that can't be trusted to restrict their movements when their home.But hey, go on holiday, bring in a new variant and the ones who follow the guideline will pay the price in terms of lockdown, kent variant and spanish variant

acequion · 12-03-2021 03:48AM

UDAWINNER wrote: »

You do realise that the vast majority are using this as an excuse, no intention of turning up just to say it was "essential". Anyone who does this is the sort that can't be trusted to restrict their movements when their home.But hey, go on holiday, bring in a new variant and the ones who follow the guideline will pay the price in terms of lockdown, kent variant and spanish variant

Good for them if they're using it as an excuse! People have the right to leave the country and as has been said countless times, travel can be done safely once proper regulations are in place like pre departure testing as is the case now almost everywhere. Ireland has gone further with quarantine now being mandatory rather than advisory. And Ireland now have mandatory hotel quarantine.

But that, while the most repressive in the EU, still isn't good enough for some!

francogarbanzo · 12-03-2021 07:28AM

Graham wrote: »

Yes, when it comes to non essential international travel I do mean much more punitive.

So you have a check-up with the dentist in Lanzarote and your Mrs is accompanying you. I'll just take your passports if you'd like to follow me.

So you're out on bail for dangerous driving and you've checked in for the Madrid flight this afternoon. I'll just take your passport if you'd like to follow me.

I'm sorry sir, the quota for paying the €500 fine to continue your holiday was reached several days ago. I'll just take your passport if you'd like to follow me.

I'm sure you get the gist...

People always think that if they were living in Nazi Germany, they’d be the ones hiding people in attics...

Penfailed · 12-03-2021 08:04AM

Boggles wrote: »

I imagine a 100% of negative letters a government politician gets is signed off with that line.

You might as well have finished it with "Bus Wánker"!

All the issues raised in the well written letter and that's your response?

facehugger99 · 12-03-2021 08:14AM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

People always think that if they were living in Nazi Germany, they’d be the ones hiding people in attics...

The people who would gladly trade away our democratic freedoms on the promise of safety are the greatest danger this country faces.

They would line the streets and cheer a despot coming to power.

They are sad, bitter and pathetic people and we better pray they are a tiny minority or we're rightly fcuked.

Kermit.de.frog · 12-03-2021 08:18AM

I see NPHET are growing concerned with the stalling progress of the decline in cases and are warning of a reversal.

Everyone needs to redouble their efforts if we are to remain on course.

Wanderer78 · 12-03-2021 08:22AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

Everyone needs to redouble their efforts if we are to remain on course.

Ah people have had enough, it won't be possible to get them back on board now

Leftwaffe · 12-03-2021 08:23AM

I’m not sure who I’m listening to here but on RTE Radio One now it sounds like a NPHET mouthpiece. He says he’s worried that we will squander our hard work and sacrifices by moving too quickly over the next ten to twenty weeks.

Gonna be great watching the world get on with their lives over Summer while we’re all in this together.

Edit: It was the all powerful non-elected Phillip Nolan

Wanderer78 · 12-03-2021 08:24AM

Leftwaffe wrote:

Gonna be great watching the world get on with their lives over Summer while weâ€™re all in this together.

The rest of the world will still be struggling with this thing this summer

JeffKenna · 12-03-2021 08:24AM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

I’m not sure who I’m listening to here but on RTE Radio One now it sounds like a NPHET mouthpiece. He says he’s worried that we will squander our hard work and sacrifices by moving too quickly over the next ten to twenty weeks.

Gonna be great watching the world get on with their lives over Summer while we’re all in this together.

Strange when comparing the cases now to January he never mentioned the change in testing.

ShyMets · 12-03-2021 08:25AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I see NPHET are growing concerned with the stalling progress of the decline in cases and are warning of a reversal.

Everyone needs to redouble their efforts if we are to remain on course.

What more would like the majority of people to do

Kermit.de.frog · 12-03-2021 08:26AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Ah people have had enough, it won't be possible to get them back on board now

Then the country will remain closed.

Wanderer78 · 12-03-2021 08:29AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

Then the country will remain closed.

Ah its down to the vaccines now, it 'll be impossible to keep people in line now, we should start reopening in the summer, by then, very few will be adhering to restrictions

Kermit.de.frog · 12-03-2021 08:31AM

ShyMets wrote: »

What more would like the majority of people to do

Stick to the rules. Most do, no issue.

If some people don't stick to the rules then we'll need more rules to deal with the outworking of a minority of selfish people ignoring the rules and round and round we go...

Wanderer78 · 12-03-2021 08:33AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

Stick to the rules. Most do, no issue.

Some of the rules make no sense, some of the time, I and others have been breaking them from time to time, mainly to maintain well being

CruelSummer · 12-03-2021 08:34AM

Graham wrote: »

Yes, when it comes to non essential international travel I do mean much more punitive.

So you have a check-up with the dentist in Lanzarote and your Mrs is accompanying you. I'll just take your passports if you'd like to follow me.

So you're out on bail for dangerous driving and you've checked in for the Madrid flight this afternoon. I'll just take your passport if you'd like to follow me.

I'm sorry sir, the quota for paying the €500 fine to continue your holiday was reached several days ago. I'll just take your passport if you'd like to follow me.

I'm sure you get the gist...

So you think international travel from the furthest west Island in Europe should be killed stone dead except for essential reasons? Even if countries are on a green list or have extremely low rates? Look at Iceland - they’re not daft enough to suggest this and they’ve lower rates than us
I’d be interested to hear what your view of travel was before Covid.

ShyMets · 12-03-2021 08:34AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Stick to the rules. Most do, no issue.

If some people don't stick to the rules then we'll need more rules to deal with the outworking of a minority of selfish people ignoring the rules and round and round we go...

You will always have a minority of people who break the rules. The only way to prevent this is to keep people in their homes which is unworkable

Leftwaffe · 12-03-2021 08:35AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

The rest of the world will still be struggling with this thing this summer

Struggling whilst being semi-open at the very least no doubt. I have serious doubts about how much we will open up, particularly after listening to that. After all it’s NPHET who make the decisions. MM will pass the buck to them.

If the UK hit their deadlines, which I think they will after a few jumps and bumps, then even the most hardened of comfortable lockdown merchants will be clamouring for a reopening.

JRant · 12-03-2021 08:48AM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

I’m not sure who I’m listening to here but on RTE Radio One now it sounds like a NPHET mouthpiece. He says he’s worried that we will squander our hard work and sacrifices by moving too quickly over the next ten to twenty weeks.

Gonna be great watching the world get on with their lives over Summer while we’re all in this together.

Edit: It was the all powerful non-elected Phillip Nolan

I was hoping he would be asked what the end game was but also he was allowed drone on about sacrifices blah blah blah. I particularly liked the way he way throw numbers of weeks around so flippantly. Sure it's only 10 weeks, we've already had 52 weeks before this. Then casually mentions a further 10 weeks after that before we see real change. That's the guts of 5 months from now. So blaise about it, like it was nothing to him. Bar a complete sea change we are in for some very long term restrictive measures with no end in sight.

The government plan to have 80% vaccinated by July, which is only 4 months away yet these crackpots are talking like we'll have restrictions in place once that happens.

JRant · 12-03-2021 08:50AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I see NPHET are growing concerned with the stalling progress of the decline in cases and are warning of a reversal.

Everyone needs to redouble their efforts if we are to remain on course.

This party political broadcast was brought to you by the NPHET.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings