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Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2020

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,899 ✭✭✭Alkers


    agencydude wrote: »
    Hi guys
    I'm considering getting some electric PV panels where I'd be able to get a SEAI grant.
    My current usage over 12 months is about 4000 Kwh on Daytime tariff and 4000 KWH on night time tariff. I charge an electric car at night time.

    One EV panel installation supplier offered the following 3 options:
    Option 1

    8 Longi Solar (360 W panels) generating 2.9 kwp
    3.0 kVA TSUN Microinverter
    Mounting system : K2 Solidrail
    NO Battery
    Cost After Grant : 3990 euros

    Option 2
    10 TrinaSolar (370 W panels ) generating 3.7 KWp
    Huawai Hybrid inverter 3.3 KVA
    Battery : Huawei LUNA 2000 5.0 KWh
    Mounting system : ValkPitch
    Cost After Grant : 7080 euros

    Option 3
    12 Q CELLS (390 W panels) generating 4.7 KWp
    Sonnen Hybrid inverted 4.6 kVA
    Battery : Sonnen 9.53 7.5 kWh
    Mounting system : ValkPitch
    Cost After Grant : 10390 euros


    On top of these costs if I want an immersion diverter it would be an extra 490 euros
    And a monitoring system from my phone would be 240 euros.

    How do the above figures look to you guys?
    Would any of these options be worth going for?

    Even that smallest system is at least 1000e overpriced


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,603 ✭✭✭championc


    Get a rough price of a similar system from pricing up the bits on midsummer.ie or solartricity.ie. installers would typically get at least a 20% discount on the prices you see on those websites.

    That will tell you if you are being taken for a ride


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Patmwgs


    In reference to immersion or power diverter, i have installed the solic 200 wireless for €245. No bells and whistles. It works well . Its connected to a 500 litre tank. With 3kw immersion at the bottom. Needed wireless as my meter box is in workshop about 25 metres away.
    Im not sure if a battery storage system is the way to go for everyone. If you plan on getting an electric vehicle at some time i would use that as my battery system. It would cut down alot of the outlay. As far as monitoring the system goes, it is great at the beginning but you slowly let it get on with things itself, so i would not spend a fortune on it either. You can check the inverter to make sure most of it is working okay. I have a system installed for about 14 years now so this is only my 2 cents.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Hi Folks,
    If anyone has the patience I'd appreciate any advice - not just to compare pricing but more to know what spec I should go for, so I can balance vs proposals I'll get from installers.

    Detached house with plenty of south facing roof space. 2 adults and 2 young teens. Mix of underfloor heating and radiators. Oil fired central heating. House very well insulated following big refurb couple of years back.

    Currently have a PHEV and expect to go full EV with next car. Low enough mileage on average.
    annual Electric consumption = 7,700 KWH

    Quoted EUR 10,000 including vat and after allowing for the grant for Supply and install as below, though this is before any site survey (Lockdown)

    4.48 kwp system = 14 x 320w amerisolar panels. 20 Yr warranty
    Solis Hybrid inverter (pay 96 quid to extend warranty from 5 to 10 yrs). Unclear if I'd get 3 or 5k model)
    2.4 KWH pylon tech battery (offered free upgrade to 3.55 if I place order in x weeks etc). 10yr warranty
    Power diverted to water heating (we have a 300l twin coil cylinder)

    Questions are ( I think)
    whether I should go for more panels or different spec of panel or is
    and is there any point getting a battery if I've a PHEV which spends most of its time plugged in during the day?

    Thanks in advance!
    agencydude wrote: »
    Hi guys
    I'm considering getting some electric PV panels where I'd be able to get a SEAI grant.
    My current usage over 12 months is about 4000 Kwh on Daytime tariff and 4000 KWH on night time tariff. I charge an electric car at night time.

    One EV panel installation supplier offered the following 3 options:
    Option 1

    8 Longi Solar (360 W panels) generating 2.9 kwp
    3.0 kVA TSUN Microinverter
    Mounting system : K2 Solidrail
    NO Battery
    Cost After Grant : 3990 euros

    Option 2
    10 TrinaSolar (370 W panels ) generating 3.7 KWp
    Huawai Hybrid inverter 3.3 KVA
    Battery : Huawei LUNA 2000 5.0 KWh
    Mounting system : ValkPitch
    Cost After Grant : 7080 euros

    Option 3
    12 Q CELLS (390 W panels) generating 4.7 KWp
    Sonnen Hybrid inverted 4.6 kVA
    Battery : Sonnen 9.53 7.5 kWh
    Mounting system : ValkPitch
    Cost After Grant : 10390 euros


    On top of these costs if I want an immersion diverter it would be an extra 490 euros
    And a monitoring system from my phone would be 240 euros.

    How do the above figures look to you guys?
    Would any of these options be worth going for?


    As others have said those are loopy prices, please shop around, you can look back on this thread and see the pricing DrPhil got.

    As another comparison I got 18 Canadian Solar 410w Poly panels, a BPE 5 KW Hybrid Dual MPPT inverter, a Pylon tec 2.4 kw including mounting bracket and all the required cables/switches etc.

    I should point out I've poor aspect and heavy tree shading on my main string so hence oversized panels vs inverter

    Gross cost of €8,620, less grant of €3,000, net cost of €5,620
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 891 ✭✭✭sebdavis


    Thanks - the quote came from a company registered with SEAI.
    I’ll keep shopping.
    Interested in any other viewpoints on the size / capacity / brand of the panels
    And On the battery vs diverted vs EV ...
    thanks All!

    They are all registered now with SEAI. Quality control or pricing is not anything SEAI will help you with.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭deravarra


    slave1 wrote: »
    As others have said those are loopy prices, please shop around, you can look back on this thread and see the pricing DrPhil got.

    As another comparison I got 18 Canadian Solar 410w Poly panels, a BPE 5 KW Hybrid Dual MPPT inverter, a Pylon tec 2.4 kw including mounting bracket and all the required cables/switches etc.

    I should point out I've poor aspect and heavy tree shading on my main string so hence oversized panels vs inverter

    Gross cost of €8,620, less grant of €3,000, net cost of €5,620
    Shop around, don't feed the cowboys

    Now that is excellent value. Goes to show that some folks are simply pulling figures out of the air and preying on those who don't have the time or the knowledge to go look in the right places.

    Can you pm me details of your installer?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭gomamochi1


    deravarra wrote: »
    Now that is excellent value. Goes to show that some folks are simply pulling figures out of the air and preying on those who don't have the time or the knowledge to go look in the right places.

    Can you pm me details of your installer?

    Similiar route I went with also= havn't seen it beaten price wise yet!!

    -Solis Hybrid inverter 5kw to future proof extra panels later date and wifi dongle for inverter app
    -4.8KW battery
    -14 panels JA solar 330w on a west facing roof
    -Eddi water heater for immersion
    -Zappi 2 car charger untethered and myenergie hub
    Fair bit of shading due to trees so hope to lash more panels on east roof and maybe ground mount south facing later .

    7000e after grant - cost to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,369 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Some of these quotes are out of this world. 4K after grant for about 1750 worth of stuff. If a qualified installer is getting 1 or 2 of those jobs a week he can do the final commissioning in a day or so and spend the rest of the week driving a black S-Class Merc and stuffing his gob in the Shelbourne once it reopens. Perhaps playing golf with a few TDs while praising how great these SEAI schemes are and gently putting out a few feelers for some of the juicier public tenders coming along. All he needs is a couple of Polish lads he pays 350 a week and treats like sh1t to do all the work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭deravarra


    gomamochi1 wrote: »
    Similiar route I went with also= havn't seen it beaten price wise yet!!

    -Solis Hybrid inverter 5kw to future proof extra panels later date and wifi dongle for inverter app
    -4.8KW battery
    -14 panels JA solar 330w on a west facing roof
    -Eddi water heater for immersion
    -Zappi 2 car charger untethered and myenergie hub
    Fair bit of shading due to trees so hope to lash more panels on east roof and maybe ground mount south facing later .

    7000e after grant - cost to me.

    That is just amazing!

    What were/are your electricity bills - please include your bill frequency if possible. We're paying about 154 per month with the heavily discounted energia plan. We have no ev at the moment, but will definitely want to go down the road of an Eddi :)
    How has the Eddi been? I will be getting a 300l cylinder in soon, replacing my old tiny cylinder. I am hoping the Eddi will sort out most of my dhw needs. 2-3 showers per day (long shower lovers in this house)


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    deravarra wrote: »
    That is just amazing!

    What were/are your electricity bills - please include your bill frequency if possible. We're paying about 154 per month with the heavily discounted energia plan. We have no ev at the moment, but will definitely want to go down the road of an Eddi :)
    How has the Eddi been? I will be getting a 300l cylinder in soon, replacing my old tiny cylinder. I am hoping the Eddi will sort out most of my dhw needs. 2-3 showers per day (long shower lovers in this house)

    Payback/Savings have been discussed in the monthly stats thread, but going on bills alone can be misleading (due to a better knowledge of energy use, heavily discounted energia rates, etc)

    eg, from my system in feburary (Remember, just coming out of dark winter) I "saved" €19 from the solar power used directly, and battery (capturing excess) saved €9. Only have 2 months under my belt yet so Looking forward to the summer.

    As for the eddi, if there is a battery in the system, this time of year very little if any will be going into it.

    My dad's system doesnt have any (5.6kwp) and in march so far, 34kwh has went into the hot water tank, which would heat 600l of water up by 50C.

    some days nothing goes into it, good days (end of feb), 5-7kw went in.

    I assume you have another way of heating your DHW? oil/gas?

    as your getting a new tank in, will you be able to have that independently control your oil/gas and only heat hot water when needed (ie the heat for the rest of the house doesn't need to be on to heat your hot water)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭deravarra


    graememk wrote: »
    I assume you have another way of heating your DHW? oil/gas?

    as your getting a new tank in, will you be able to have that independently control your oil/gas and only heat hot water when needed (ie the heat for the rest of the house doesn't need to be on to heat your hot water)

    I had a Grant vortex installed just two years ago. At the same time, I got the whole system zoned, and everything is now controlled by an app called Alarm.com via a company based in Cork. Excellent system, and amazing benefits all round. I now spend much less per year in terms of oil fills, but have greater comfort.

    I would be delighted to make the savings in the summer more so than the winter. I would like to think that I would save something on my oil through the year :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭Deagol


    deravarra wrote: »
    That is just amazing!

    What were/are your electricity bills - please include your bill frequency if possible. We're paying about 154 per month with the heavily discounted energia plan. We have no ev at the moment, but will definitely want to go down the road of an Eddi :)
    How has the Eddi been? I will be getting a 300l cylinder in soon, replacing my old tiny cylinder. I am hoping the Eddi will sort out most of my dhw needs. 2-3 showers per day (long shower lovers in this house)

    My bills vary from ~200euro bi-monthly in winter (Nov-Feb) to 80euro or less in summer. Vast majority of that 80 euro is the service charges.

    Very happy with my Eddi. In winter I have the boiler on going through 300l twin coil tank anyway so don't need it. In the last week it's just started getting enough extra power (Monday for instance I got 21kw total, >8kw went to the Eddi and brought the water up to ~65C) to start using = just as the boiler starts to be used less.

    Come summer, boiler won't need to be used at all for the hot water tank - bar the odd sequence of days that we could have consistent dark clouds.

    Other good use I get from the Eddi is I have the relay board fitted and two RTD's so at any time I can check the tank upper and lower temps and decide if it needs a wee boost. Can be boosted then from the mobile phone. (Handy on the mornings I don't want to get out of the bed until there's water for the shower :) ) .

    I would say 2-3long showers a day might be pushing it for the solar depending on size of battery and base load of house, even a full 300l tank will struggle with that if they are all at the same time or directly one after another. TBH, I tend to have them in the evening and herself in the morning so not sure exactly how it would work.

    PM me if you need any extra detail.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭deravarra


    Deagol wrote: »
    My bills vary from ~200euro bi-monthly in winter (Nov-Feb) to 80euro or less in summer. Vast majority of that 80 euro is the service charges.

    Very happy with my Eddi. In winter I have the boiler on going through 300l twin coil tank anyway so don't need it. In the last week it's just started getting enough extra power (Monday for instance I got 21kw total, >8kw went to the Eddi and brought the water up to ~65C) to start using = just as the boiler starts to be used less.

    Come summer, boiler won't need to be used at all for the hot water tank - bar the odd sequence of days that we could have consistent dark clouds.

    Other good use I get from the Eddi is I have the relay board fitted and two RTD's so at any time I can check the tank upper and lower temps and decide if it needs a wee boost. Can be boosted then from the mobile phone. (Handy on the mornings I don't want to get out of the bed until there's water for the shower :) ) .

    I would say 2-3long showers a day might be pushing it for the solar depending on size of battery and base load of house, even a full 300l tank will struggle with that if they are all at the same time or directly one after another. TBH, I tend to have them in the evening and herself in the morning so not sure exactly how it would work.

    PM me if you need any extra detail.

    Thank you for the info :)

    When I said long showers, I meant about 5 mins most days before work - and an odd day when I'd be closer to 10 mins. If the shower is being used one after the other, we're either off out somewhere or in a hurry to do something - so that would be the shorter showers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭Deagol


    deravarra wrote: »
    Thank you for the info :)

    When I said long showers, I meant about 5 mins most days before work - and an odd day when I'd be closer to 10 mins. If the shower is being used one after the other, we're either off out somewhere or in a hurry to do something - so that would be the shorter showers.

    Me and you have differing definition of long showers :) My after cycle showers are 20mins - sore muscles appreciate a good soak in a serious power shower!

    5 mins x 3 would be no issue with a full 300l tank. One thing to note though is it's amazing how much water stratifies in a tank. I often see top temp at 58C and the bottom at 20C. Without being able to see that i would say you could easily end up with the third shower being a bit cool :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭deravarra


    Deagol wrote: »
    Me and you have differing definition of long showers :) My after cycle showers are 20mins - sore muscles appreciate a good soak in a serious power shower!

    5 mins x 3 would be no issue with a full 300l tank. One thing to note though is it's amazing how much water stratifies in a tank. I often see top temp at 58C and the bottom at 20C. Without being able to see that i would say you could easily end up with the third shower being a bit cool :)

    Poor 3rd shower-haver


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,369 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    I dunno how anyone is running out of water for a shower with a 300L tank.

    Have never showered long enough to deplete a standard 150L one. In my day the 300L tank would suffice for an orphanage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭deravarra


    I dunno how anyone is running out of water for a shower with a 300L tank.

    Have never showered long enough to deplete a standard 150L one. In my day the 300L tank would suffice for an orphanage.

    Punoed showers can use 15l per minute. That 300 litre cylinder could be gone in 20 minutes.
    That's a small orphanage you have there 🀣


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,369 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    deravarra wrote: »
    Punoed showers can use 15l per minute. That 300 litre cylinder could be gone in 20 minutes.
    That's a small orphanage you have there 🀣

    Orphanage would have a 5l/min shower head and a queue of orphans shouting at the user to hurry on.

    If I had a 300L tank id be sitting in a hot tub sipping a Singapore sling

    Have pumps on mine and id say they're not using more than 10L/min anyway but probably close to it


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    deravarra wrote: »
    Punoed showers can use 15l per minute. That 300 litre cylinder could be gone in 20 minutes.
    That's a small orphanage you have there ��

    Pure hot water shower for 20 minutes, want to have an ambulance on standby.
    I have pumped shower too but it mixes cold water don’t forget, so if the mixture is 50/50 then that’s 40 minutes.
    It will be shorter in Winter as the cold water from attic tank is colder, longer in Summer as the cold water temp from attic will be “warmer”.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    deravarra wrote: »
    That is just amazing!

    What were/are your electricity bills - please include your bill frequency if possible. We're paying about 154 per month with the heavily discounted energia plan. We have no ev at the moment, but will definitely want to go down the road of an Eddi :)
    How has the Eddi been? I will be getting a 300l cylinder in soon, replacing my old tiny cylinder. I am hoping the Eddi will sort out most of my dhw needs. 2-3 showers per day (long shower lovers in this house)

    As others have said the EDDI will do very little Nov-Feb, if you get a good day outside that then it can easily put a lot to hot water but this totally depends on your house load, battery levels, your potential generation and hot water usage.
    I can see my Eddi taking 1-3 kW a day here and there but this can be made up of streaks of 100-200w etc which in reality can’t be heating the water to a great extent.
    I’d say you’d need a good 1.5kW+ to truly heat water in a meaningful manner.
    EDDI is quite straightforward so a self install if you want to keep costs down.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭deravarra


    slave1 wrote: »
    As others have said the EDDI will do very little Nov-Feb, if you get a good day outside that then it can easily put a lot to hot water but this totally depends on your house load, battery levels, your potential generation and hot water usage.
    I can see my Eddi taking 1-3 kW a day here and there but this can be made up of streaks of 100-200w etc which in reality can’t be heating the water to a great extent.
    I’d say you’d need a good 1.5kW+ to truly heat water in a meaningful manner.
    EDDI is quite straightforward so a self install if you want to keep costs down.

    The 1-3kW per day - would there be some occupancy in the home for a good part of the daytime?

    Since both my wife and I are shift workers, we can be away for long parts of the day. That should/could make a difference re: Eddi to dhw - well, I would hope it would.

    18 panels on a west facing roof ... I havent seen that many panels on any domestic roof before.
    We have a south facing roof at a 45 degree angle - no shading at any stage.
    Am looking forward to getting the engineer out for a consultation and seeing what they say/recommend


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 891 ✭✭✭sebdavis


    deravarra wrote: »
    The 1-3kW per day - would there be some occupancy in the home for a good part of the daytime?

    Since both my wife and I are shift workers, we can be away for long parts of the day. That should/could make a difference re: Eddi to dhw - well, I would hope it would.

    18 panels on a west facing roof ... I havent seen that many panels on any domestic roof before.
    We have a south facing roof at a 45 degree angle - no shading at any stage.
    Am looking forward to getting the engineer out for a consultation and seeing what they say/recommend

    I have 19 panels on my roof....

    If ESB would allow I would stick another 19 up as well


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    deravarra wrote: »
    The 1-3kW per day - would there be some occupancy in the home for a good part of the daytime?

    Since both my wife and I are shift workers, we can be away for long parts of the day. That should/could make a difference re: Eddi to dhw - well, I would hope it would.

    18 panels on a west facing roof ... I havent seen that many panels on any domestic roof before.
    We have a south facing roof at a 45 degree angle - no shading at any stage.
    Am looking forward to getting the engineer out for a consultation and seeing what they say/recommend

    If you have a South facing shadeless roof then just fill her up, I don't know why you need an engineer though, just a solar installer.
    If you are not at home then there will be less electricity in use but this depends on your usage pattern, we currently have four at home but our base load is currently 400-500w and that's two PCs and two laptops as well as lights, fridge, freezer etc.
    If you are at home then the only real impact will be anything with an element e.g. oven/shower/dryer/washing machine etc and the majority of these should be on during night rate.
    The weather has a huge part also, yesterday was gloomy from the word go so our generation was 2.8kWh with nothing to hot water, on March 1st I put 9kWh into the water as it was a great day...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭deravarra


    slave1 wrote: »
    If you have a South facing shadeless roof then just fill her up, I don't know why you need an engineer though, just a solar installer.
    If you are not at home then there will be less electricity in use but this depends on your usage pattern, we currently have four at home but our base load is currently 400-500w and that's two PCs and two laptops as well as lights, fridge, freezer etc.
    If you are at home then the only real impact will be anything with an element e.g. oven/shower/dryer/washing machine etc and the majority of these should be on during night rate.
    The weather has a huge part also, yesterday was gloomy from the word go so our generation was 2.8kWh with nothing to hot water, on March 1st I put 9kWh into the water as it was a great day...

    some companies use the term "engineer" for a pre-install inspection.

    I remember eir used it to describe their installers. No more an engineer than I am, and I work in the tech sector :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭idc


    Don't take what the first installer or your engineer tells you as the only way to do it. My SE roof is shaded in winter at different times of the day. Half the installers I spoke to just ignored it even when I suggested it they were like no too much shade don't bother! But the other installers agreed to include it in quotes and were happy once we both understood it might not perform to its optimal in winter. I'm glad I did this as i now have double the panels i would of had otherwise and in the winter i lost approx 30% based on estimates (without shade).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭MAULBROOK


    deravarra wrote: »
    The 1-3kW per day - would there be some occupancy in the home for a good part of the daytime?

    Since both my wife and I are shift workers, we can be away for long parts of the day. That should/could make a difference re: Eddi to dhw - well, I would hope it would.

    18 panels on a west facing roof ... I havent seen that many panels on any domestic roof before.
    We have a south facing roof at a 45 degree angle - no shading at any stage.
    Am looking forward to getting the engineer out for a consultation and seeing what they say/recommend

    I have 20, south east facing.
    I envy your south facing 45dg roof (never thought i would say that) all i can say is plaster the roof with panels. You can never have too much of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭jordan191


    @Slave1, Would you mind sending me a pm with your installer details, currently looking at quotes, not getting grants but some crazy prices, lowest has been a 5kw system with invertor, and no battery ground mount for 8600 plus vat


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    I'm looking to put PV panels on a new build in Dublin. Where do I start? Anyone any recommendations for suppliers?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,603 ✭✭✭championc


    I'm looking to put PV panels on a new build in Dublin. Where do I start? Anyone any recommendations for suppliers?

    Get your sparks to buy trade price from either midsummer.ie or solartricity.ie

    Trade prices are typically 20% lower than their website list prices


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭deravarra


    slave1 wrote: »
    If you have a South facing shadeless roof then just fill her up, I don't know why you need an engineer though, just a solar installer.
    If you are not at home then there will be less electricity in use but this depends on your usage pattern, we currently have four at home but our base load is currently 400-500w and that's two PCs and two laptops as well as lights, fridge, freezer etc.
    If you are at home then the only real impact will be anything with an element e.g. oven/shower/dryer/washing machine etc and the majority of these should be on during night rate.
    The weather has a huge part also, yesterday was gloomy from the word go so our generation was 2.8kWh with nothing to hot water, on March 1st I put 9kWh into the water as it was a great day...

    I was kinda thinking to myself - would the addition of a thermodynamic panel be of much benefit? If the Eddi Diverter doesn't do much in terms of water heating, perhaps the thermodynamic panel would be a better option, and power it with solar PV?


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