Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

Russman · 11-03-2021 11:00AM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

But confirmed cases only cover 4% of the population.

So 5% of cases requiring hospitalisation is 0.2% of the population.

Yes, but if the virus was let run rampant the number of confirmed cases would be much higher than 4% of the population.

Whatsisname · 11-03-2021 11:03AM

Elessar wrote: »

Lovely. Just lovey.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40241999.html

Less than 200 cases a day and an r number of 0.5 before restrictions can be eased.

Mid May at the earliest before MAYBE you might be able to go to a socially-distanced shop for something other than cornflakes and milk, or even click and collect.

And we Irish will just sit back, moan and do nothing about it.

Those arbitrary numbers don't mean anything.

What happens if theres 201 cases one day? does that mean theres another lockdown? what if theres 199 cases, will that increase fear and pressure of the following day hitting 200? When numbers hit the roof over Christmas, they told close contacts to stop getting tested. When numbers went down, close contacts were told to get tested again, which just manipulates the numbers.

And the whole R needs to be 0.5 is equal nonsense. The lower the cases the more the R rate fluctuates. A good example happened in Germany last summer, they had an R rate of 0.6. There was an outbreak at a factory in a specific town and the R rate was 2.6 the next day.

It's a load of rubbish.

DellyBelly · 11-03-2021 11:14AM

Was hoping things would be moving quicker but I'll be thrilled if the 5km restriction is moved to 10km because then I will be entitled to visit the beach which is about 8km from me. I haven't been there since December and I really miss my walk there...so I'll be delighted if it goes to 10km

Probes · 11-03-2021 11:14AM

Boggles wrote: »

No they aren't, the graph you linked to is confusing and may give that impression.

https://twitter.com/yuvharpaz/status/1367074640577892353

Less than 3% go on to develop serious or critical conditions.

I mean it’s the the same data it’s just you’re assuming a lot of those deaths were because they contracted COVID before they were vaccinated. It’s likely that will be the case for some of them, but the point is that the vaccine won’t work for everyone and we need to be careful about how we move forward rather than throwing caution to the wind and opening everything.

SnuggyBear · 11-03-2021 11:15AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

Was hoping things would be moving quicker but I'll be thrilled if the 5km restriction is moved to 10km because then I will be entitled to visit the beach which is about 8km from me. I haven't been there since December and I really miss my walk there...so I'll be delighted if it goes to 10km

Ah would you just go to the beach ffs

Stheno · 11-03-2021 11:16AM

Russman wrote: »

Hasn't the data shown that around 5.1% of cases have been hospitalised ? Think it was posted on the main thread a few days ago.

5.1% of cases if there are 250000 cases is 12500 hospitalisations, which is about 0.3% of the population?

Leftwaffe · 11-03-2021 11:16AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

Was hoping things would be moving quicker but I'll be thrilled if the 5km restriction is moved to 10km because then I will be entitled to visit the beach which is about 8km from me. I haven't been there since December and I really miss my walk there...so I'll be delighted if it goes to 10km

I’m fairly sure you posted this about two weeks ago. You must be on the wind up.

Stormyteacup · 11-03-2021 11:18AM

Senator Rónán Mullen asking some serious questions re ISAG’s tactics and why they haven’t been called to account for themselves by media.

My threshold for shock has increased this past year however it’s fairly shocking if it’s as it seems. I know emails had been allegedly leaked but wasn’t sure if they had been verified because source is controversial..

https://gript.ie/watch-senator-ronan-mullen-raises-isag-leaks-in-the-seanad/

DellyBelly · 11-03-2021 11:19AM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

I’m fairly sure you posted this about two weeks ago. You must be on the wind up.

Yes I did but didn't visit it while we are in the 5km limit.

JRant · 11-03-2021 11:22AM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Those arbitrary numbers don't mean anything.

What happens if theres 201 cases one day? does that mean theres another lockdown? what if theres 199 cases, will that increase fear and pressure of the following day hitting 200? When numbers hit the roof over Christmas, they told close contacts to stop getting tested. When numbers went down, close contacts were told to get tested again, which just manipulates the numbers.

And the whole R needs to be 0.5 is equal nonsense. The lower the cases the more the R rate fluctuates. A good example happened in Germany last summer, they had an R rate of 0.6. There was an outbreak at a factory in a specific town and the R rate was 2.6 the next day.

It's a load of rubbish.

If you read between the lines it's just their way of saying there will be little to no lifting of the majority of restrictions until we get the over 70's completely done. The reason being the general population have absolutely no control over vaccine rollout so if they come out and say it directly there could be mass abandoning of restrictions by people.

We are looking at level 5 or a version of it until June I reckon.

I just hope everyone remembers this the next time politicians start door stepping looking for votes. They have completely abdicated all responsibility right now and have shown zero leadership or forward planning.

DellyBelly · 11-03-2021 11:22AM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Ah would you just go to the beach ffs

That's the attitude that is keeping us in lockdown I'm afraid..

Boggerman12 · 11-03-2021 11:23AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

It’ll all end soon, and protest will have nothing to do with it. Vaccine data is wonderful. Couple more months and we’ll have a critical mass vaccinated and then restrictions can ease. End is in sight. Work to end it all proceeds every hour. We’re getting there.

#Holdfirm or whatever other buzz word they’ll come up with

Kiith · 11-03-2021 11:24AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

That's the attitude that is keeping us in lockdown I'm afraid..

Someone going to the beach on their own, 8km away from their house, is whats causing these lockdowns?

Give me a ****ing break.

walus · 11-03-2021 11:24AM

normanoffside wrote: »

Actually I stand corrected, we are doing better than Germany In 7-day incidence.
We are 68.6, Germany is 70.3

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1139048/coronavirus-case-rates-in-the-past-7-days-in-europe-by-country/

They’ve already reopened Hairdressers etc.

Norman, one thing you forgot is that you don't win covid olympics by opening hairdressers. It ain't gone happen, not soon anyway.

silverharp · 11-03-2021 11:26AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

That's the attitude that is keeping us in lockdown I'm afraid..

think for yourself, go for a walk, go for a cycle, dont set up an illegal drinking establishment in your garage, its not difficult :pac:

Kiith · 11-03-2021 11:26AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Senator Rónán Mullen asking some serious questions re ISAG’s tactics and why they haven’t been called to account for themselves by media.

I disagree with him on a lot of things, even most things after looking him, but its good to see someone calling this out.

DellyBelly · 11-03-2021 11:28AM

silverharp wrote: »

think for yourself, go for a walk, go for a cycle, dont set up an illegal drinking establishment in your garage, its not difficult :pac:

I do go for a walk everyday but within my 5km limit...although looks like I will be able to travel further in a few weeks time...as I said I'm delighted with that news today

JRant · 11-03-2021 11:30AM

Probes wrote: »

I mean it’s the the same data it’s just you’re assuming a lot of those deaths were because they contracted COVID before they were vaccinated. It’s likely that will be the case for some of them, but the point is that the vaccine won’t work for everyone and we need to be careful about how we move forward rather than throwing caution to the wind and opening everything.

Nope, once we get to 80% vaccinated that's the end of it. No more restrictions, I mean how could they be legal after that? There has to be a strong justification to extend the current laws and that disappears once we hit herd immunity.

TonyMaloney · 11-03-2021 11:34AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

This is one of the most ridiculous issues about the situation.

This is Ireland! The land of political apathy, "it'll be grand", where people just go along with, or put up with almost anything, with an instinctive need to be liked and approved of by others - particularly those abroad - and rush to be "on message" with whatever is trending on Twitter.

We don't even have a "right" anymore, let alone a "far right" FFS. This is not America. If nothing else comes from this whole mess then I hope people realise the damage that trying to copy/paste US identity politics and issues into Ireland is having on our society and social cohesion.

We very much do have a fairly prominent far-right cohort in Ireland. Perhaps alt-right is the more fitting term these days.

They're a bunch of sad misfits of course - McGuirk, O'Dohery, Waters, O'Mahoney - and nobody here seems to admit any association or sympathy with their views.

And yet we see their nonsense shared and promoted here regularly - be it in the form of a spurious article from Gript or a gofundme page for a frivolous law suit against the gov.

They don't really give a ****e about any of this either. They're hoping they can entice you with some rhetoric about lockdowns and mental health, and that you'll stick around afterwards to listen to their views on immigration or whatever.

I wonder how well it works?

thebaz · 11-03-2021 11:34AM

Locked up until end of May - latest leak - longest lockdown in the world - we need to be upping the vaccine rollout ,with the vulnerable vaccinated a clear plan on how we will exit lockdown should be whats been leaked - Was the plan before Christmas not living with Covid, a year ago this worked when we were unsure of mortality rate , and no vaccine on the horizon. People have lost a year of ther life, time to start living, or have we forgot that.

11-03-2021 11:35AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

Was hoping things would be moving quicker but I'll be thrilled if the 5km restriction is moved to 10km because then I will be entitled to visit the beach which is about 8km from me. I haven't been there since December and I really miss my walk there...so I'll be delighted if it goes to 10km

No need to boast about your fancy beach front property while some of us have to live 20km from the coast

titan18 · 11-03-2021 11:37AM

I don't care about the beach, just allow me to get a haircut at this stage. No point going anywhere looking like this anyway

suicide_circus · 11-03-2021 11:38AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

That's the attitude that is keeping us in lockdown I'm afraid..

A complete abdication of critical thinking and personal agency is whats keeping us in lockdown

uli84 · 11-03-2021 11:40AM

I think it’s time to come to terms that we’ll be in lockdown whole year except jul/Aug maybe going by the nonsense they say, I hope the protests planned for 17 March will be really big ones

SnuggyBear · 11-03-2021 11:41AM

Kiith wrote: »

Someone going to the beach on their own, 8km away from their house, is whats causing these lockdowns?

Give me a ****ing break.

Common sense is gone out the window

_Kaiser_ · 11-03-2021 11:47AM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

We very much do have a fairly prominent far-right cohort in Ireland. Perhaps alt-right is the more fitting term these days.

They're a bunch of sad misfits of course - McGuirk, O'Dohery, Waters, O'Mahoney - and nobody here seems to admit any association or sympathy with their views.

And yet we see their nonsense shared and promoted here regularly - be it in the form of a spurious article from Gript or a gofundme page for a frivolous law suit against the gov.

They don't really give a ****e about any of this either. They're hoping they can entice you with some rhetoric about lockdowns and mental health, and that you'll stick around afterwards to listen to their views on immigration or whatever.

I wonder how well it works?

Here's the thing.

It's possible to agree with someone on one thing, but disagree with them on another

It doesn't mean that you're on their "side". That sort of black and white thinking is naive and dangerous.

Besides, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Crybabygeeks · 11-03-2021 11:48AM

State of them... NPHET, Government, the whole lot of them. Unable to make a decision, no guts to make a call. Less than 400 people in hospital and they're talking about 2 more months. Absolute and utter madness.

Thankfully from what I see, most people are taking it into their own hands and choosing to live their lives safely but ignoring this 5km bol**x, no visitors, no training etc.

TonyMaloney · 11-03-2021 11:54AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Here's the thing.

It's possible to agree with someone on one thing, but disagree with them on another

It doesn't mean that you're on their "side". That sort of black and white thinking is naive and dangerous.

Besides, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

No no, I completely agree with you.

I'm sure you're of sound enough mind to read an article on gript, judge it on its merits, and not get swayed by the rest of their far-right nonsense.
But on the off chance you share the article, can you say the same for those you share it with? What about the people they might share it with?

That's their plan like. That's what they're hoping for.

statesaver · 11-03-2021 11:55AM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

No no, I completely agree with you.

I'm sure you're of sound enough mind to read an article on gript, judge it on its merits, and not get swayed by the rest of their far-right nonsense.
But on the off chance you share the article, can you say the same for those you share it with? What about the people they might share it with?

That's their plan like. That's what they're hoping for.

What a load of nonsense.

copeyhagen · 11-03-2021 12:08PM

titan18 wrote: »

I don't care about the beach, just allow me to get a haircut at this stage. No point going anywhere looking like this anyway

do it yourself if you have a clippers.

its honestly not that hard, obv doesnt look as good as a barbers cut, but does the job.

i follow this video and do mine every few weeks now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11fc7UEbnm0

now, theres no logical reason in the world we should HAVE to do it orselves at this stage IMO, but hey ho, these apes in charge arent going to relax restrictions, so may as well crack on.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings