When will it all end?

seansouth36 · 11-03-2021 09:54AM

Arghus wrote: »

Well all of that is clearly untrue.

Of course measures alter the trajectory of the disease. They've already done do. Several times. It's not credible for people to still be making claims like this at this stage of the game.

Restrictions reduce social interaction and contact in a population. This virus spreads through social interaction and contact. If you have more interaction and social contact you'll have more virus, and if you have less of it, then you'll have less of it. All of that is really inarguble.

I understand people can argue about their relative effectiveness and cost etc - but to suggest they simply don't work at all and the amount of virus would be the same regardless? That's just plain silly.

Everything that poster says is untrue. He's like a child who's mother won't let him out to play due to rain constantly moaning that it's not actually raining and everything is fine. A deluded man.

Irish Stones · 11-03-2021 10:01AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your assesment of the article and the article itself don't match up tbh.

Well, the article says that HSE is unsure if letting vaccinated people (with health issues) keep working in frontline activities fearing the chance of possible legal actions should a worker fall sick after the vaccine.

drunkmonkey · 11-03-2021 10:06AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

This is still in R&D, when could we expect it in pharmacies, if all went well with the other phases of trials?

Expected during the summer, Leo mentioned it in January, I hope to hell they've put in an order and haven't been caught sleeping again, it's already being used in some countries. USA orders are in. As far as I know it's an Irish team behind it.

Batattackrat · 11-03-2021 10:45AM

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0310/1203255-consumers-reluctant-to-return-to-in-store-shopping/

More BS from Rte

Plumbthedepths · 11-03-2021 10:49AM

Irish Stones wrote: »

Well, the article says that HSE is unsure if letting vaccinated people (with health issues) keep working in frontline activities fearing the chance of possible legal actions should a worker fall sick after the vaccine.

Thanks for the reply, it doesn't change my original comment.

Micky 32 · 11-03-2021 10:50AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I can see why people are inclined to want certainty. Certainty, even when imagined, is much easier to deal with than an uncertain reality. We all want restrictions to end and the thoughts of another winter with restrictions is difficult. But it’s much better to deal with reality on reality’s terms. And the reality is that we don’t know how it will go next winter.

Of course life is full of uncertainties. I mean who’s to say if i’ll be around next winter, easy to get hit by a bus.

If you want to go by what politicians say Leo did say this “ nobody could say for certain that there wouldn’t be another lockdown”. I do get that. That’s not a confirmation but maybes, possibilities etc

However he then goes on to say “ he said the vaccine data was “very positive”, with all vaccines showing “close to 100pc effectiveness in preventing severe illness, hospitalisation and death”. That’s the very important part. If that holds true and we have the most important people vaccinated ( as we are doing now) we are less likely to have problems at the end of the year. The chances are quite low that we will need further lockdowns in my opinion. I think it’s more likely we won’t have lockdowns than we will have.

In the words of Joe Biden “ There is real reason for hope folks, I promise you,"

Coillte_Bhoy · 11-03-2021 10:50AM

Batattackrat wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0310/1203255-consumers-reluctant-to-return-to-in-store-shopping/

More BS from Rte

They are merely reporting a study, why have a go at them?

Batattackrat · 11-03-2021 10:55AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

They are merely reporting a study, why have a go at them?

Because I know those numbers are BS, 71% do not fear going shopping FFS

Hector Savage · 11-03-2021 10:56AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

They are merely reporting a study, why have a go at them?

Because they are hell bent on pushing the fear fear fear angle, and stay at home forever crap.

I'd like to know who took part in the study, a bunch of people that regularly listen to their shyte no doubt.

No balance.

SnuggyBear · 11-03-2021 10:56AM

Next report. 67% of people are scared to go into their back garden.

Plumbthedepths · 11-03-2021 10:57AM

Batattackrat wrote: »

Because I know those numbers are BS, 71% do not fear going shopping FFS

Yeah the poll suggests 71% must get their food delivered as they are too afraid to venture into a shop.

opinionated3 · 11-03-2021 10:57AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

They are merely reporting a study, why have a go at them?

Cos it's a load of tosh. Who did they survey? Tomas Ryan, Gerry Killeen and their families??!!
Anyone i know is absolutely desperate to get back to normality, including my elderly acquaintances. That includes shops, restaurants, pub etc. I've yet to hear a single comment against.

FlubberJones · 11-03-2021 10:57AM

It seems that the government only care about kids in schools and hospital bed numbers, neither of which are a concern to me.

11-03-2021 11:02AM

Meanwhile, 6% say they will never feel comfortable shopping in-store on their local high street - ever again.

That's..worrying

Coillte_Bhoy · 11-03-2021 11:05AM

Batattackrat wrote: »

Because I know those numbers are BS, 71% do not fear going shopping FFS

So you've done your own professional survey too? Well done. Nowhere does it say 71% fear going shopping either.

JDD · 11-03-2021 11:06AM

I suppose it depends on how the survey question was framed.

If it was "are you afraid to go shopping" - then the 71% is absolutely NOT representative.

If it was "does the possibility of catching covid cross you mind when entering a shop, and cause you any level of anxiety" then possibly, yes, 71% might be representative.

I can't wait to get back into shops and will do so the minute they open. That being said, when going into the supermarket at the moment I am immediately reminded of the possibility of catching covid because of the queues, masks and hand sanitiser. There is a momentary level of anxiety, which passes by the time I get to the bakery section.

JDD · 11-03-2021 11:10AM

AdamD wrote: »

Meanwhile, 6% say they will never feel comfortable shopping in-store on their local high street - ever again.

That's..worrying

Honestly I wouldn't put too much store in the answers to those questions. Most people can't see beyond the end of their nose. During the first lockdown I was quite anxious about getting on the Luas again given my general experience on the Luas was being pressed up against my fellow passengers. Then I took it one stop in May, and then a few more stops a week later, and I couldn't understand why I had let it build up in my mind.

You can be sure most of that 6% will not go into a small shop for the first few weeks, then they'll just pop in for a book or a coffee, and then they'll laugh at themselves at why they were being so stupid.

JDD · 11-03-2021 11:12AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It says in the article the study was backed by a group called digital business Ireland.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it's pretty likely the questions were framed in a way that would make people lean towards saying they don't want to go to shops.

Ahhhhh. Well that completely explains that. I didn't read the RTE article - I'm assuming they didn't point out that the survey was carried out by a vested interest?

Micky 32 · 11-03-2021 11:12AM

Batattackrat wrote: »

Because I know those numbers are BS, 71% do not fear going shopping FFS

That’s what you’re up against i’m finding that very hard to believe, not what i’m hearing out there people ( including my parents) are dying to shop again. It’s no wonder the thread is the way it is.

Coillte_Bhoy · 11-03-2021 11:15AM

JDD wrote: »

Ahhhhh. Well that completely explains that. I didn't read the RTE article - I'm assuming they didn't point out that the survey was carried out by a vested interest?

Of course they did, anytime a survey is being reported, its normal to name the body that commissioned it or carried it out.

Coillte_Bhoy · 11-03-2021 11:17AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

That’s what you’re up against i’m finding that very hard to believe, not what i’m hearing out there people ( including my parents) are dying to shop again. It’s no wonder the thread is the way it is.

But they didnt say they were afraid to go shopping

Micky 32 · 11-03-2021 11:23AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

But they didnt say they were afraid to go shopping

Reluctance is usually caused by a bit of fear. Anyway i couldn’t be arsed reading it as i had no interest in the poll. I was going by what others were saying, calm down there.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-03-2021 11:38AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Nothing absolutely nothing, all restrictions will be over for the general public. Once we have a safe at home treatment in good supply that's the end of it. Molnupiravir stops Covid spread and disease progression, Leo mentioned it in January and we know have even more evidence.

Well, You seem very certain about that. Not much room for discussion in your post there.

I would point out that there's a poster who keeps telling me that we can't predict anything about how this will pan out, but I suspect they won't take any issue with your certainty at all. It seems you can't be certain about anything - unless you 're certain that the thing we all want to happen, is going to happen. It's usually called wishful thinking.

As yet, we don't know what will happen in winter re restrictions and whether we can get through winter without them. We all hope restrictions are lifted this summer and we never need them again. We'll just have to wait and see.

11-03-2021 11:41AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Reluctance is usually caused by a bit of fear.

Why would you think this?
I have no interest in going into a shop and if they stay closed forever I could not care less.
Nothing to do with fear, I just hate shopping.

Micky 32 · 11-03-2021 11:46AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I would point out that there's a poster who keeps telling me that we can't predict anything about how this will pan out, but I suspect they won't take any issue with your certainty at all. It seems you can't be certain about anything - unless you 're certain that the thing we all want to happen, is going to happen. It's usually called wishful thinking.

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I’m guessing you’re reffering to me and now are twisting it to suit your narrative.

If you look at my last post i’m explaining my exact opinions more thoroughly. Yes no one can tell the future for sure but with the current info and data on vaccines etc i think we are less likely to have future lockdowns. The chances are more in favour that we won’t IMO. Hence i don’t think we will at the end of the year once we have the old and vulnerable inoculated that protects from near 100% serious illness, hospitalizations and death.

Micky 32 · 11-03-2021 11:47AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Why would you think this?
I have no interest in going into a shop and if they stay closed forever I could not care less.
Nothing to do with fear, I just hate shopping.

Good for you. I hate shopping also.

GooglePlus · 11-03-2021 11:54AM

I think going by the floods that went high street shopping at Christmas, that percentage is a bit off.

I guarantee you that if the government announced that shops would be open tomorrow, you'd have loads in.

Irish Stones · 11-03-2021 11:56AM

As for the time being, I am not shopping in local shops anymore. And it's not because of fear. It's because that I don't stand the fact that I'm being treated like a plague-ridden person, waiting outside, with the mask, only allowed in when the previous customer has gone out, please keep your distance, let me read your temperature.
If this is the way they like to do business today, they can keep their stuff on the shelves.
Internet has just everything, and while I'm clicking on the items I need, comfortably sat at home, nobody is asking me to sanitize my hands and wear a mask.
It is very likely I will keep doing this even in the future.

11-03-2021 11:58AM

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40242125.html

No need for anyone to worry, shops aren’t opening soon.
Hurrah! Another 2 months of this balderdash.

accensi0n · 11-03-2021 12:00PM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Next report. 67% of people are scared to go into their back garden.

It's fairly windy to be fair.

When will it all end?

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