Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

RandomViewer · 08-03-2021 10:41AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Does Connolly House have a list?

Given the secrecy of the ‘Republican’ movement I think your request might be rather difficult.

Well you would fall into the FG/Prone affiliation so work from that

James Brown · 08-03-2021 04:02PM

Nobotty wrote: »

Coveney is in Tehran I see on the six one news on UN business meeting the Ayatollah :eek:

Nobotty wrote: »

But Brendan,they will be in power,absolutely no doubt about it
Mary Lou will be our first Female Taoiseach after the next election,we just have to get over the hump of 2 more years of Premier Vradakar up to 2025 first
Don't shoot the messenger

Nobotty wrote: »

I thought from its title it was a thread about the village accusations
...

Indeed.
Make an uncomfortable truth about FG about SF. Hardly new.

James Brown · 08-03-2021 04:06PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Is there literally anything some people don't give out about just for the sake of it?

Why a waste of energy.

They say its healthy to have SF as opposition to hold the government to account.

But all they do is argue against anything the government does just for the sake of it.

That's not constructive, it's trying to score political points at any angle even if it benefits the country.

This Simon Coveney criticism really is scraping the barrel.

Not one poster here would go to Tehran for a holiday if there wasn't covid even if it was all paid for let alone go for work reasons.

Are you assuming the poster is a shinner because it helps you to pile it on?
Do you think nobody ever has any issues, it's all just political point scoring?
I think it's great Coveney is reaching out by the way.

James Brown · 08-03-2021 04:09PM

markodaly wrote: »

The common denominator of most here and anyway, why are we even discussing Coveny in this thread?

Is this the new 'I want to give out about FG' thread? Do we already have 2 of those?
Sure, 3 times is a charm! :pac:

Are you suggesting Nobotty is a shinner?
I think you lads need start having an early morning Zoom call.

James Brown · 08-03-2021 04:11PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Show one post from an Republican affiliated poster condemning Coveney?

I'm not sure if Coveney even has an account TBH.

Brendan Bendar · 08-03-2021 05:49PM

James Brown wrote: »

Are you assuming the poster is a shinner because it helps you to pile it on?
Do you think nobody ever has any issues, it's all just political point scoring?
I think it's great Coveney is reaching out by the way.

Well then why don’t you just say it, and stop trying to score political points.

C’mon dude.....

RandomName2 · 08-03-2021 11:11PM

Nobotty wrote: »

I thought from its title it was a thread about the village accusations
Its the general leo thread now is it
Explains why its busy so I suppose

No regulars here are floating FG or SF voters
All minds are made up in this place long and ever ago
Its all predictable tit for tat
Good place for venting

Leo is a fairly charismatic guy with strong control of his party, which happens to be the most popular party in the country, and he is also the Tanaiste. Course he's going to be targeted.

SF meanwhile is neck-and-neck with FG in terms of popularity, with strong control of Stormont, and showing little internal division, which is why FG is constantly finding an excuse to attack them.

The actual 'topics' which prompt discussion of either parties, like this discussion of a doctors' agreement with a doctors' union, is usually not weapon grade material.

No other party need apply.

James Brown · 08-03-2021 11:17PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Leo is a fairly charismatic guy with strong control of his party, which happens to be the most popular party in the country, and he is also the Tanaiste. Course he's going to be targeted.

SF meanwhile is neck-and-neck with FG in terms of popularity, with strong control of Stormont, and showing little internal division, which is why FG is constantly finding an excuse to attack them.

The actual 'topics' which prompt discussion of either parties, like this discussion of a doctors' agreement with a doctors' union, is usually not weapon grade material.

No other party need apply.

And Leo passing a confidential negotiation document to his pal the head of a rival union would have nothing to do with it?

He's as charismatic as a spoiled hamster. The FG back room boys gifted him the leadership despite the membership wanting Coveney. They hitched the FG wagon to a chap prone to foot in mouth.

"SF meanwhile.." :rolleyes:
So who's providing 'tit for tat'? Might it be folk raising SF in a Varadker/leak thread?

Leo keeps providing things to be critical of.

RandomName2 · 09-03-2021 01:14AM

James Brown wrote: »

And Leo passing a confidential negotiation document to his pal the head of a rival union would have nothing to do with it?

So confidential that the full contents were soon published.

The pall wasn't the head of the rival union, though it was given to him with the intent that he would circulate with all the members of that union.

That union wasn't actively bidding for that contract and in fact soon went bust. Its members though were fairly annoyed about being left out of the negotiation process.

I would be surprised if many people are actually interested in that affair for its own sake.

James Brown wrote: »

He's as charismatic as a spoiled hamster.

Is that meant to mean something?

James Brown wrote: »

The FG back room boys gifted him the leadership despite the membership wanting Coveney.

There was a striaghtforward vote within the FG party in relation to this. Varadkar got 46% of the vote while Coveney got 22%.

James Brown wrote: »

They hitched the FG wagon to a chap prone to foot in mouth.

Most politicians are. Varadkar adds to the mix by being prolific on social media, for better and worse.

James Brown wrote: »

"SF meanwhile.." :rolleyes:
So who's providing 'tit for tat'? Might it be folk raising SF in a Varadker/leak thread?

No, the tit-for-tat would be The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein thread, which presumably makes complaints about empty promises, connections to past criminality, and the hypocrisy of a party that constantly opposes planning development.

James Brown wrote: »

Leo keeps providing things to be critical of.

That is true.

James Brown · 09-03-2021 01:55PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

So confidential that the full contents were soon published.

The pall wasn't the head of the rival union, though it was given to him with the intent that he would circulate with all the members of that union.

That union wasn't actively bidding for that contract and in fact soon went bust. Its members though were fairly annoyed about being left out of the negotiation process.

I would be surprised if many people are actually interested in that affair for its own sake.

Is that meant to mean something?

There was a striaghtforward vote within the FG party in relation to this. Varadkar got 46% of the vote while Coveney got 22%.

Most politicians are. Varadkar adds to the mix by being prolific on social media, for better and worse.

No, the tit-for-tat would be The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein thread, which presumably makes complaints about empty promises, connections to past criminality, and the hypocrisy of a party that constantly opposes planning development.

That is true.

It was confidential until released, yes. What's your point?

That's the problem yes.

Why, we don't know. You are speculating here. My reading is Varakar used this leaking to try garner support from GP's for himself.

No. The leadership gifted him the position. Ordinary members wanted Coveney.

So was Trump. So are all the other trolls. That's how they operate. 'He (Varadkar) might post dog whistle race baiting material, but at least he posts a lot' :rolleyes:

You cited a comment on the 'tit for tat' nature of the thread then said, 'Meanwhile SF..." engaging in same. Here you are doing it again. Personally I find it tedious.

golfball37 · 10-03-2021 05:25PM

He’s still piling on the votes for the Shinners I see. Did something I thought as a Clare man I’d never see, made Violet Anne Wynne popular for a day.
He needs to be ran out of FG before he does anymore damage. He’s already made sure SF will be senior partners in next government the longer he stays the more votes they get

Floppybits · 10-03-2021 06:26PM

golfball37 wrote: »

He’s still piling on the votes for the Shinners I see. Did something I thought as a Clare man I’d never see, made Violet Anne Wynne popular for a day.
He needs to be ran out of FG before he does anymore damage. He’s already made sure SF will be senior partners in next government the longer he stays the more votes they get

You can see that statement coming back to haunt him like the other one he made "If you are white, male or even worse middle-class, Sinn Féin doesn’t want you. So much for an ‘Ireland of equals".

McMurphy · 10-03-2021 07:32PM

golfball37 wrote: »

He’s still piling on the votes for the Shinners I see. Did something I thought as a Clare man I’d never see, made Violet Anne Wynne popular for a day.
He needs to be ran out of FG before he does anymore damage. He’s already made sure SF will be senior partners in next government the longer he stays the more votes they get

Was reading that a while ago, he really and truly is one hell of a first class idiot. There was no need to make that comment today, but Leo being Leo, he just had to make it, and yet again was left looking like an absolute plonker.

Suckit · 10-03-2021 07:45PM

That is basic basic stuff.
Before you open your mouth, check the facts.

Was he just looking for something to moan about when he made that up, or was there a specific question he was replying to when he came out with the obstacle stuff?

McMurphy · 10-03-2021 07:50PM

Suckit wrote: »

That is basic basic stuff.
Before you open your mouth, check the facts.

Was he just looking for something to moan about when he made that up?

He was just being Varadkar, playing straight from the FG handbook.

Racist, sectarian, homophobic, misogyny etc etc etc accusations, it's irrelevant if there's any substance behind the accusations.

It's undeniably happening on this site from certain posters too, all of whom, I think you could fairly described as being sympathetic towards fg.

That's no coincidence btw.

Suckit · 10-03-2021 08:06PM

Got that, I was just curious to what his reasons were for the statement.

I like it when they shout sexism, racism, homophobic etc.. as it looks pathetic and is very very transparent.

James Brown · 10-03-2021 08:17PM

Suckit wrote: »

Got that, I was just curious to what his reasons were for the statement.

I like it when they shout sexism, racism, homophobic etc.. as it looks pathetic and is very very transparent.

Basically he was asked about SF support groups publishing ads looking for movement on a United Ireland and he decided to make a tit of himself. In being a smart arse he ended up looking an arse.

TheChizler · 10-03-2021 08:32PM

What was the actual quote? I've read a couple of articles about the protestant thing but all are paraphrasing.

James Brown · 10-03-2021 09:07PM

TheChizler wrote: »

What was the actual quote? I've read a couple of articles about the protestant thing but all are paraphrasing.

Mr Varadkar made the inaccurate comment on RTÉ's News At One programme, when he contended that Sinn Féin was "an obstacle to Irish unity".

He said: "They have a relationship with unionism that is one of mutual hostility. They're sectarian. They're still very anti-British. They have no Protestant TDs, MLAs or Senators."

He finished off with some cack about there being orange as well as green in the flag.

RandomName2 · 10-03-2021 10:05PM

TheChizler wrote: »

What was the actual quote? I've read a couple of articles about the protestant thing but all are paraphrasing.

He said they were sectarian, and stated that there were no Protestants in the party as proof.

To counter this Sinn Fein loudly shouted that the mad anti-vaxer TD of theirs is apparently Protestant.

In other news, UKIP had a Catholic MEP, and Marine Le Pen's National Rally has a gay National Assembly member.

Dempo1 · 10-03-2021 10:11PM

More discomfort for poor Leo, just amazing with all his PR and social media team, he couldn't check his facts re SF having protestant members. He's just seems to be obsessed with all things SF, must have been Gut wrenching for him to actually apologise.

James Brown · 10-03-2021 10:20PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

He said they were sectarian, and stated that there were no Protestants in the party as proof.

To counter this Sinn Fein loudly shouted that the mad anti-vaxer TD of theirs is apparently Protestant.

In other news, UKIP had a Catholic MEP, and Marine Le Pen's National Rally has a gay National Assembly member.

He was asked his thoughts on a current news item and he deflected to have a poke at SF. Standard fare from FF/FG.

To counter a Protestant shinner called him out.
Even if he had of been correct it was an idiotic and divisive remark. Anything to get at the shinners.

RandomName2 · 10-03-2021 10:40PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

He said they were sectarian, and stated that there were no Protestants in the party as proof.

To counter this Sinn Fein loudly shouted that the mad anti-vaxer TD of theirs is apparently Protestant.

In other news, UKIP had a Catholic MEP, and Marine Le Pen's National Rally has a gay National Assembly member.

Yes both parties have been incessantly targeting each other for the last 14 months using the most flimsy of criteria.

At its laziest it's SF saying that FG is FFG, a corrupt West-Brit fat-cat organization that only caters to landlords, while FG for their part say that SF is a radical ultra-nationalist organization secretly run by the IRA army council which will bankrupt the country. There's a grain of truth to both accusations, but by God both lots will find any excuse to trot it out.

Both should find it flattering that the other takes so much interest in them, it's certainly a mark of the respective parties successes, or at least good fortune.

markodaly · 10-03-2021 11:36PM

golfball37 wrote: »

He needs to be ran out of FG before he does anymore damage. He’s already made sure SF will be senior partners in next government the longer he stays the more votes they get

Maybe that is the point? There are many in FG looking towards the opposition benches after the next GE, let SF and their fantasy populist policies take over for a while.

As per Violet, wasn't she the anti-vaxxer?

Suckit · 10-03-2021 11:43PM

markodaly wrote: »

Maybe that is the point? There are many in FG looking towards the opposition benches after the next GE, let SF and their fantasy populist policies take over for a while.

As per Violet, wasn't she the anti-vaxxer?

Ohhhh... So Leo is a bumbling idiot on purpose? So that SF get into Government?

I never saw it that way, but now that it's pointed out I guess it all makes sense.. The years wasted that it took us all to realise that was the plan all along.. :rolleyes:

markodaly · 10-03-2021 11:45PM

McMurphy wrote: »

He was just being Varadkar, playing straight from the FG handbook.

Racist, sectarian, homophobic, misogyny etc etc etc accusations, it's irrelevant if there's any substance behind the accusations.

It's undeniably happening on this site from certain posters too, all of whom, I think you could fairly described as being sympathetic towards fg.

That's no coincidence btw.

Oh, really?

Go on, tell us what you mean.

markodaly · 10-03-2021 11:48PM

Suckit wrote: »

Ohhhh... So Leo is a bumbling idiot on purpose? So that SF get into Government?

I never saw it that way, but now that it's pointed out I guess it all makes sense.. The years wasted that it took us all to realise that was the plan all along.. :rolleyes:

I was of course kinda sarcastic but I don't think personally FG will be leading another government in 2024. They have been in there since 2011, so that will bring a 13 years in power to a possible 18 years in power. As you know these things go in cycles and we all know SF have all the answers. :pac:

Anyway, Leo's core point was correct. In any UI discussion SF should be kept at the back of the queue due to their sectarian nature, policies and general anti-British sentiment.

McMurphy · 10-03-2021 11:58PM

markodaly wrote: »

Oh, really?

Go on, tell us what you mean.

What part of Leo runs with something straight from the FG handbook, and others follow soon afterwards with the exact same spiel, including on this very site don't you follow mark?

I mean, didn't you yourself go for days on here, literally arguing about Frances Fitzgerald being exonerated about something she was never exonerated for, and when your back was to the wall, you yourself tried the misogyny angle? It's a worn out tactic now, and all too predictable.

Let me know what part of that isn't crystal clear enough, and I'll see if it can be simplified any more.

""Shrugs**

markodaly · 10-03-2021 11:59PM

McMurphy wrote: »

What part of Leo runs with something straight from the FG handbook, and others follow soon afterwards with the exact same spiel, including on this very site don't you follow mark?

Let me know what part of that isn't crystal clear enough, and I'll see if it can be simplified any more.

""Shrugs**

Are you saying that there are paid FG members or bots posting on boards? Quite an accusation, with no proof of course.

golfball37 · 11-03-2021 12:02AM

markodaly wrote: »

Maybe that is the point? There are many in FG looking towards the opposition benches after the next GE, let SF and their fantasy populist policies take over for a while.

As per Violet, wasn't she the anti-vaxxer?

So they don’t care about Ireland is what you are saying. Party first. They really are an inverse of the shinners so. God help the squeezed middle who won’t vote for either

Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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