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Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 Helen82


    Hi everyone

    Just wondering if anyone could tell me the pros and cons about the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV?
    I am considering buying a second hand one, but need to know about battery replacement, the cost and how often etc. I've never owned a hybrid or an Outlander.
    Is it a good buy or would it be best to get something else?
    Any help would greatly appreciated.
    Thanks ��


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭konline


    Does anyone know the average mileage we get from electric battery alone in 2017 model? The one that i have seen was showing only 16 Miles after the battery is charged full.
    I know it varies depending on our driving style, outside temp etc but what will it show when we start the car after charging it full.
    Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,705 ✭✭✭stimpson


    The number it shows is a guess (hence people calling it a Guess-o-meter, or GOM). I've seen 16 miles in the winter, but always get more than that. If you are running the aircon it will drop the number (try turning it on and off and watch the range). Even if you are only running the fan, it will drop, but it doesn't effect your actual range. It's also effected by the range on the last drive, so if you do a long downhill and recharge the battery, you could see a 70 mile range.

    I'd say real life is 20 miles winter/35 miles summer (based on 90% battery health)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Helen82 wrote: »
    Just wondering if anyone could tell me the pros and cons about the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV?


    My pros: Great space and great economy, comfortable and easy to drive.


    My cons: The base spec model can be a bit cold in winter as it relies on the engine for heat, go for the spec that includes heated seats, heated steering wheel and remote climate control that heats up the car automatically before you leave.


    Helen82 wrote: »
    I am considering buying a second hand one, but need to know about battery replacement, the cost and how often etc. I've never owned a hybrid or an Outlander.


    That shouldn't be an issue, as someone else said, it would be comparable to changing an engine. A relative has a 142 with nearly 200000km on it and no problems with the battery. I've seen some for sale in the UK with 300000 miles on them.


    Helen82 wrote: »
    Is it a good buy or would it be best to get something else?
    Any help would greatly appreciated.
    Thanks ��


    As with any PHEV it comes down to your usage. If the majority of your driving is short range school runs with the odd long journey it's ideal.


    Have a read here for more. https://www.parkers.co.uk/mitsubishi/outlander/review/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭0lddog


    When it comes to service ( lot of stuff to go wrong in the car :( ) what is the position ?

    (a) Do people rate the dealers as competent ?

    (b) Have people found any competent indies ?

    (c) How long does it take for parts to be got ? ( are any stocked in Ireland ? )


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,705 ✭✭✭stimpson


    0lddog wrote: »
    When it comes to service ( lot of stuff to go wrong in the car :( ) what is the position ?

    (a) Do people rate the dealers as competent ?

    (b) Have people found any competent indies ?

    (c) How long does it take for parts to be got ? ( are any stocked in Ireland ? )

    I’ve used Westbrook and found them to be excellent. I have ordered parts and had them the next day so that’s not an issue. No idea about indies though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 JeffHunter


    Are people worried about the fact that Mitsubishi have left Europe?

    I've been looking at Outlanders but if getting parts is going to be tough in future, I'm wondering if they're worth it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,705 ✭✭✭stimpson


    JeffHunter wrote: »
    Are people worried about the fact that Mitsubishi have left Europe?

    I've been looking at Outlanders but if getting parts is going to be tough in future, I'm wondering if they're worth it?

    They have committed to supplying parts for 10 years. I’m not too worried as they seem pretty reliable in any case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭Buffman


    JeffHunter wrote: »
    Are people worried about the fact that Mitsubishi have left Europe?

    I've been looking at Outlanders but if getting parts is going to be tough in future, I'm wondering if they're worth it?


    No, it wouldn't worry me. If there's a market for parts somebody will always supply it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭blobert


    Quick question:

    I'm looking at a 2015 pre facelift GX 4H.

    I just want to be 100% sure, this can heat the car in winter through an electric heater, ie without the engine coming on when driving?

    I bought a GX 3H some years ago and the engine had to fire up every time you wanted to heat the car. As I was only ever doing short trips within EV range this ruined it for me, as the engine would just be running constantly when I was driving it.

    At the time I thought I read that the GX 4H could heat the car without the engine coming on, just wanted to be sure before buying another one!

    Thanks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭Buffman


    blobert wrote: »

    I just want to be 100% sure, this can heat the car in winter through an electric heater, ie without the engine coming on when driving?
    .........
    At the time I thought I read that the GX 4H could heat the car without the engine coming on, just wanted to be sure before buying another one!


    The GX4H has electric preheat. You can set the car to preheat before your journey while the car is off and the battery/charger will power it. It can be set on the display or on the app.


    It doesn't have electric heating while driving, heat will be from the heated seats or ventilation (using engine if needed). If you're only doing short trips the preheated car should stay warm enough without needing ventilation.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭quenching


    Buffman wrote: »
    The GX4H has electric preheat. You can set the car to preheat before your journey while the car is off and the battery/charger will power it. It can be set on the display or on the app.


    It doesn't have electric heating while driving, heat will be from the heated seats or ventilation (using engine if needed). If you're only doing short trips the preheated car should stay warm enough without needing ventilation.

    My GX4H will happily heat the cabin in winter without the engine running. On a very cold morning I set it to 19 degrees and it heats without the engine, increase it to 20 and the engine will often kick in. I usually preheat but not always, if I set off without preheating in 2 degree weather the cabin will heat to 19 degrees without running the engine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭Buffman


    quenching wrote: »
    My GX4H will happily heat the cabin in winter without the engine running. On a very cold morning I set it to 19 degrees and it heats without the engine, increase it to 20 and the engine will often kick in. I usually preheat but not always, if I set off without preheating in 2 degree weather the cabin will heat to 19 degrees without running the engine.


    Ye, maybe that's where I was going wrong, I used to have mine around 21-22 and engine came on. I never used the ventilation much while driving in EV mode as I'd normally preheat and the heated seats and steering wheel normally kept me warm enough.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,242 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    I was down to 63% in the battery so got a dbcam done and it is back up to 72%.


    Happy with the boost but still it shouldn't really be dropping that low.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    I was down to 63% in the battery so got a dbcam done and it is back up to 72%.


    Happy with the boost but still it shouldn't really be dropping that low.

    How did you read that percentage? With phev watchdog?

    Since my reset around 6 weeks ago its dropped to 37.4 Ah from 38 Ah.

    How much did the dbcam cost?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,357 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    What size of battery is in an Outlander PHEV again?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭cannco253


    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/mitsubishi-about-faces-on-european-departure-but-no-decision-on-ireland-1.4506356
    Mitsubishi about-faces on European departure - but no decision on Ireland
    Renault-based Mitsubishis on sale from 2023, but not yet planned for Ireland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    NIMAN wrote: »
    What size of battery is in an Outlander PHEV again?

    12 kWh around 9 kWh usable in the older 2 litre models, 13.8 kWh, and 11 kw usable in the 2,4 l


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭reni10


    I was down to 63% in the battery so got a dbcam done and it is back up to 72%.


    Happy with the boost but still it shouldn't really be dropping that low.

    Where did you get this done and does it have to be by a mitsubishi dealer?

    Also how much please?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,242 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    It was €199 with the main dealer. Kept it in overnight. It will be interesting to see if it holds a bit better.

    I was asking mitsubishi to consider a battery replacement as it is under 70%. They said they needed this done at a main dealer.

    I've seen mixed reports from people losing 0.5 to others gaining so not a sure fire way to get some back. But if it has had a lot of charges it is likely out if sync a bit.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    It was €199 with the main dealer. Kept it in overnight. It will be interesting to see if it holds a bit better.

    I was asking mitsubishi to consider a battery replacement as it is under 70%. They said they needed this done at a main dealer.

    I've seen mixed reports from people losing 0.5 to others gaining so not a sure fire way to get some back. But if it has had a lot of charges it is likely out if sync a bit.

    How, who or what told you the battery the battery was down to 63%? If that percentage meets the criteria for a replacement, why was it not done?

    Or is the DBcam the first option?
    What is the replacement % on a battery if any one knows?

    At least you should ask for the 200 euro back, or credit on a service let the dealer handle Mitsubishi.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,242 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    kanuseeme wrote: »
    How, who or what told you the battery the battery was down to 63%? If that percentage meets the criteria for a replacement, why was it not done?

    Or is the DBcam the first option?
    What is the replacement % on a battery if any one knows?

    At least you should ask for the 200 euro back, or credit on a service let the dealer handle Mitsubishi.

    Phev watchdog app showed it at 63%. There is nothing official but there is a rumour that mitsubishi will go case by case and look at batteries that have dropped under 70%.

    When you contact them they need an official reading, that is done via dbcam which costs €199.

    Since the dbcam can recover some %, like mine, they want that done first.

    Things like regular fast charging, heating the cabin while plugged in, regularly charging 2-3 times a day etc all impact the ability for it to properly read the state of health.

    Now I'm back to 72% I'll get back onto mitsubishi and see if they will entertain a replacement. Most likely not. I'll prob change it this year anyway so not too bothered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,705 ✭✭✭stimpson


    cannco253 wrote: »

    That could be good news around servicing being available beyond 2030. If they are rebadging Renault’s then I can’t see why that wouldn’t look at doing right hand drive versions too. Fingers crossed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭reni10


    It was €199 with the main dealer. Kept it in overnight. It will be interesting to see if it holds a bit better.

    I was asking mitsubishi to consider a battery replacement as it is under 70%. They said they needed this done at a main dealer.

    I've seen mixed reports from people losing 0.5 to others gaining so not a sure fire way to get some back. But if it has had a lot of charges it is likely out if sync a bit.

    Is it possible to do this dbcam procedure yourself at home or does it need to go to the dealer for definite?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,242 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    reni10 wrote: »
    Is it possible to do this dbcam procedure yourself at home or does it need to go to the dealer for definite?

    Not without the correct equipment. They need to run the battery to 0% and then slowly charge it over night. Then they use a MUT 3 device to reset the battery so it can find the new capacity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Some of you might know, but I learned the phev watch dog Now also supports:
    Kia Niro PHEV, Kia Optima PHEV, Hyundai Ioniq PHEV and Hyundai Sonata PHEV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭lapua20grain


    Has anybody put all terrain tyres on their Outlander and if so what make did you use, I do a bit of shooting and the all terrain would be better as there is no spare in the PHEV


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭Vizzy


    Has anybody put all terrain tyres on their Outlander and if so what make did you use, I do a bit of shooting and the all terrain would be better as there is no spare in the PHEV

    Be very careful using your Outlander offroad.
    The battery tray is only about 2mm thick and is the lowest point (almost)on the car and if you puncture it you run the risk of destroying the battery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭lapua20grain


    Vizzy wrote: »
    Be very careful using your Outlander offroad.
    The battery tray is only about 2mm thick and is the lowest point (almost)on the car and if you puncture it you run the risk of destroying the battery.

    I won't be going off roading per se it's more so the likes of loose shale that caused a puncture in an old car I had I just need robust tires that will be okay on that type of surface and possibly mud


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭Vizzy


    I won't be going off roading per se it's more so the likes of loose shale that caused a puncture in an old car I had I just need robust tires that will be okay on that type of surface and possibly mud

    Know exactly you type of stuff you are talking about ( I shoot myself).
    I think I hit something myself, possibly a small boulder, and put a TINY crack in the battery tray. Went though some water months later and fried everything.
    Mitsubishi didn't want to know about it and I have the dubious honour of being the first in Ireland of a complete battery and rewiring job - €11,183.20.


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