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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #4592
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Monster249 wrote: »
    But sure what f**king difference does it make? We're going to be sub 100 cases a day and still locked down for weeks and weeks.

    The weakness of this leadership and their fear of making decisions is absolutely pathetic.

    That's the principle hallmark of Michael Martin for his whole career.


  • #4593
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    wadacrack wrote: »
    The last few days have been disappointing tbh.

    https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1369674689015123977

    This guy is really starting to grind my gears. He post interesting stuff some times, but other times it seems he's in the lookout on how to read the data we have in the worst possible way.
    All the numbers are going in the correct direction, in fact we are seeing a nice drop week to week on all the indicators, but he's using the 3 days average (for whatever reason? Probably because it's the only one that suits his narrative) of swabs to show that we are in a bad spot.


  • #4594
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Monster249 wrote: »
    But sure what f**king difference does it make? We're going to be sub 100 cases a day and still locked down for weeks and weeks.
    The difference it makes is that fewer people are getting sick. That is the purpose of the restrictions. It's a good thing.


  • #4595
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Ficheall wrote: »
    The difference it makes is that fewer people are getting sick. That is the purpose of the restrictions. It's a good thing.
    Only if people comply with them, which they are less likely to do for weeks and weeks more.


  • #4596
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Ficheall wrote: »
    The difference it makes is that fewer people are getting sick. That is the purpose of the restrictions. It's a good thing.

    For the purposes of giving people their lives back it makes no difference. The positivity of less people dying only improves my outlook so much. At some point selfishness takes over and it just makes me angrier that thousands and thousands more are having their lives destroyed every week these restrictions go on.


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  • #4597
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    Outrage over restrictions? On boards.ie?


  • #4598
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    kilns wrote: »
    Here in Switzerland the criteria are strict for the next phase of opening on March 29

    Postivity rate for tests must be below 5%
    Occupancy of ICU beds must be below 25%
    14 day incidence rate must not be higher than March 1st

    If they arent strictly reached, the next phase does not occur
    As a matter of interest, do ye have many plebs accusing the government over there of manipulating the data/deliberately building a backlog etc so that they get to stay on telly a little while longer?


  • #4599
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Ficheall wrote: »
    As a matter of interest, do ye have many plebs accusing the government over there of manipulating the data/deliberately building a backlog etc so that they get to stay on telly a little while longer?

    Probably not because they don't employ senseless restrictions? You see how the two are connected?


  • #4600
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Ficheall wrote: »
    As a matter of interest, do ye have many plebs accusing the government over there of manipulating the data/deliberately building a backlog etc so that they get to stay on telly a little while longer?

    I wonder do they have many plebs who obsessively defend the government like it's their favourite football team..


  • #4601
    kilns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Ficheall wrote: »
    As a matter of interest, do ye have many plebs accusing the government over there of manipulating the data/deliberately building a backlog etc so that they get to stay on telly a little while longer?

    Of course the federal govt have come under alot of pressure regarding restrictions as Switerland is like the US, it is made up of a federation of Kantons that have their own laws, taxes etc and so each Kanton wants different things


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  • #4602
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Monster249 wrote: »
    For the purposes of giving people their lives back it makes no difference.
    Well, no, you're right, the people who died are still dead, yes.. But that fewer are getting sick and hence dying in the first place is a good thing.
    Monster249 wrote: »
    thousands and thousands more are having their lives destroyed every week
    Have you considered headline writing as a career?


  • #4603
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They were but they had a map and dates for changes, which happened. There is no sign of that at present and this one looks like being a whole lot longer. It's a case of waiting to see what version of the message is actually true. Leo is perhaps a bit casual but Martin is especially bad at these rally the troops speeches. I think he should stick to the "brilliant" vaccine news until he actually has something to say.

    Last time, we only got the dates in the reopening plan when we were getting close to re-opening. I expect it will be the same this time. As we get closer to opening things up, they'll give specific dates


  • #4604
    Boggerman12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭Boggerman12


    #holdfirm and remember Paul Reid is on 420,000€ for this


  • #4605
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Well, no, you're right, the people who died are still dead, yes.. But that fewer are getting sick and hence dying in the first place is a good thing.


    Have you considered headline writing as a career?

    I'll leave you alone to quiver in joy at the thought of more lockdown. The irony in what you post is baffling.

    Accuse me of sensationalism whilst simultaneously defending a government who have done nothing but scaremonger for the last 12 months. You really couldn't make this up.


  • #4606
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    timmyntc wrote: »
    I wonder do they have many plebs who obsessively defend the government like it's their favourite football team..
    I think the government has been quite crap about many things throughout, but I also think the conspiracy claims are a bit tinfoil hat.


  • #4607
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Ficheall wrote: »
    I think the government has been quite crap about many things throughout, but I also think the conspiracy claims are a bit tinfoil hat.

    Just to clarify, I don't think many truly think the government WANT this to continue. My criticism is about the spineless nature of their decisions and the conservative way they've chosen to proceed.

    They don't care what the consequences are and are happy to 'play it safe' and then raise taxes so all the people who's livelyhoods they've destroyed can fix it for them. It's disgusting.


  • #4608
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,919 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    So how come they don't just swap Taoiseach's again, did Varadkar not do a better job with a roadmap last year, why don't we demand Varadkar back.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #4609
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Monster249 wrote: »
    Just to clarify, I don't think many truly think the government WANT this to continue. My criticism is about the spineless nature of their decisions and the conservative way they've chosen to proceed.

    They don't care what the consequences are and are happy to 'play it safe' and then raise taxes so all the people who's livelyhoods they've destroyed can fix it for them. It's disgusting.
    I wouldn't disagree with that. I was talking (re the Swiss situation) about people who claim the gov't manipulate our figures, and was wondering if that were also the case there, because it would happen if data-based easing were implemented here.

    In response to your "What use is it" post I meant that it IS positive that the case numbers are coming down, even if the benefits to that for society opening up are very slow to trickle through. The 'headline' bit was probably uncalled for, apologies.


  • #4610
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    So how come they don't just swap Taoiseach's again, did Varadkar not do a better job with a roadmap last year, why don't we demand Varadkar back.
    Varadkar had the easier stint - I think he's perfectly happy to snipe from the sidelines now.


  • #4611
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Just 1000 more days!

    I think that should be about 4,000 days timmyntc, just saying


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  • #4612
    Marty Bird
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    Boggerman12 wrote: »
    #holdfirm and remember Paul Reid is on 420,000€ for this

    In this together..or the best of them all “Living with COVID” :rolleyes:

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • #4613
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Marty Bird wrote: »
    In this together..or the best of them all “Living with COVID” :rolleyes:

    It's easy to sit back and let peoples lives be destroyed when you've no skin in the game.

    If we reduced their salaries to PUP levels, things would rapidly change which is comical.


  • #4614
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Last time, we only got the dates in the reopening plan when we were getting close to re-opening. I expect it will be the same this time. As we get closer to opening things up, they'll give specific dates
    No, we had dates in early May for pretty much everything last year. I genuinely don't expect that this time at all. Just another 6 weeks until we decide as a message or 9 weeks if you're MM. You'd hope there are enough smarts in there to see a way to easing some of the building tension because they have about 6-8 weeks left if they are lucky.


  • #4615
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    So how come they don't just swap Taoiseach's again, did Varadkar not do a better job with a roadmap last year, why don't we demand Varadkar back.
    After about two and a half years it's Leo's turn, so late 2022- early 2023. This was the deal for government - Martin first.


  • #4616
    Boggerman12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭Boggerman12


    Monster249 wrote: »
    It's easy to sit back and let peoples lives be destroyed when you've no skin in the game.

    If we reduced their salaries to PUP levels, things would rapidly change which is comical.

    Hey sure when the ntma go to the markets they are throwing money at us.no question of how it will be paid for though


  • #4617
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,626 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Boggerman12 wrote: »
    #holdfirm and remember Paul Reid is on 420,000€ for this

    Its inspirational to us all that he makes more than 10 times the average worker.


  • #4618
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,285 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Varadkar had the easier stint - I think he's perfectly happy to snipe from the sidelines now.

    People were complaining about Varadker on here last year after he got over the initial few press conferences and then largely disappeared from view - aside from the odd interview or press appearance - and let NPHET become the face of the response to the crisis. The general opinion was that he was a clown that didn't know what he was doing - but it was one of those boards things that was partly about whoever happens to be in charge at any one moment is a clown and the alternative guy/gal is way better.

    For the record, I truly don't like Varadker. I think he's cynical and self-serving and he has a lot of the media in Ireland in his back pocket. I wouldn't trust him as far I could throw him. I thought he was good enough at the very, very start of this - which was a surprise to me - but as time has gone, his antics leave a bad taste in my mouth.

    I wouldn't rate MM a great deal either, but there's no doubt to me that it's tougher, in some ways, trying to marshal the government and the country through this period than it was during the first flush of this crisis.

    Trying to manage how to re-open, managing the vaccine rollout, managing the expectations of people who are very, very tired and restless after a year of this - and dealing with coalition partners constantly trying to make themselves look good, often at your expense, in the media. You'd have to be a political genius to look well juggling all of that.

    Last March/April was an extraordinary period and of course it wasn't easy to govern through that, but politically it was straightforward in a sense - people just wanted to be told what to do in the simplest possible terms, the opposition didn't exist, it didn't even enter into many people's heads that FG had basically been told by the electorate to leave office a few weeks previously. Simon Harris had the swiftest and most complete political rehabilitation of all time - literally just before that he'd been deliberately hidden away from view during the GE campaign, but he suddenly was a voice of authority with sky high approval figures. For a while, then people went back to calling him a fool again - until Donnelley took over and then Donnelley was the clown and people wondered whether Simon was going to come back.


  • #4619
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Boggerman12 wrote: »
    #holdfirm and remember Paul Reid is on 420,000€ for this

    Joe Biden is on €336,000.


  • #4620
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,263 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    For Gods sake this 5kms restrictions needs to be lifted . They can sort out the eviction issues some other way
    The whole country is sick and tired of this restriction and personally I would give my left arm to go to beach with a flask of coffee in peace with no guilt .
    Of all restrictions it makes no sense to anyone


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  • #4621
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    I think Ireland in general is looking like a shadow if the image it had created as a progressive, modernised society welcoming of EU, UK and other nationalities to come to live and work here, while having good connectivity to Europe and beyond.

    You’d be mad to even consider starting up a business here currently. They’re all closed with the government and nphet promoting keeping them that way for as long as possible.

    We are now the country with the longest lockdown in the western world, a population of institutionalised brainwashed zombies blindly lapping up the authorities nonsense which has been well and truly exposed since Christmas. Lockdown, lockdown , lockdown. No rapid testing, no acquisition of extra vaccines, no influence with Big Pharma here...our high GDP screwing us over and giving us a pittance from the EU bailout fund...no clue as to how to get out if this mess.

    We’ve vilified travel and firmly put out the image to the many skilled workers living here they’re not welcome if they dare travel to see their families in Europe. Irish people must suffer the wind, rain and misery at over priced rates again this summer while our uk, northern Irish and European neighbours head to the sun.

    In no other country did a group like ISAG get such airtime. It is a terrible reflection on the educated and scientific community here that the best we’ve got in Ireland have no other idea only to lockdown for even longer to achieve the unachievable. Our chief experts / spokespeople here lack the pragmatism and expertise to help Ireland out of this crisis. If we look at the UK, US and beyond, they’ve a much more pragmatic approach to this whole situation and don’t seem to want to get covid cases down at the cost of a country’s societal structure, economy, future, international image...


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