Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

Monster249 · 10-03-2021 03:09PM

monkeybutter wrote: »

they aren't trying to prevent every death though

they are just trying to stop too many

cigarettes have been priced so high only a fool would buy them, next stop is banning them

you have my permission to kill yourself by drinking or eating yourself to death

but you shouldn't be allowed to kill someone else with it, thus the smoking ban

thus the driving test, speed limits, seat belts

all restrictions in place to reduce the carnage you had before

and by jaysus they work quite well if you look at the stats of numbers of people who die on the roads

look i turned you argument around

This is exhausting.

You're right, let's move to level 6 from 5th April. Surely we can save a few more people by shutting down all construction, restricting us to 2km, shutting the not-truly-essential-but-still-open retail stores and closing schools again?

Captain_Crash · 10-03-2021 03:09PM

monkeybutter wrote: »

less people driving less road deaths

There was more road deaths in 2020 than in 2019

no flu season

This is fairly easily explained I would have thought! Prior to covid you go to a GP with flu like symptoms and you get examined and diagnosed with flu. Get some pain killers and your on your way. Remember, we don’t routinely test for flu here and never have!

Since covid, you go to the GP with flu like symptoms and your referred for a covid test. When they were testing only symptomatic people, and there was a 25% positive rate, what do you think a lot of the other 75% who tested negative but had the same symptoms were suffering from?

robbiezero · 10-03-2021 03:13PM

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Positive news from Varadkar for cyclists and long distance runners there, that the 5km limit should go from April 5th. No relaxations for the wider population.

Thats what he thinks.

Chivito550 · 10-03-2021 03:14PM

https://www.independent.ie/news/tanaiste-positive-on-5km-limit-being-lifted-on-april-5-40181216.html

Read the last few paragraphs. Are we really looking at restrictions next winter because of flu and other non-Covid respiratory infections?

The precident has been set now to do whatever it takes to protect our shambolic health service, irregardless of whether Covid is still an issue or not.

monkeybutter · 10-03-2021 03:16PM

Monster249 wrote: »

This is exhausting.

You're right, let's move to level 6 from 5th April. Surely we can save a few more people by shutting down all construction, restricting us to 2km, shutting the not-truly-essential-but-still-open retail stores and closing schools again?

no lets do the sensible thing, open up slowly and vaccinate

why is always 100% lockdown or no lockdown with some people

Monster249 · 10-03-2021 03:18PM

monkeybutter wrote: »

no lets do the sensible thing, open up slowly and vaccinate

why is always 100% lockdown or no lockdown with some people

Because keeping the significant level of restrictions (level 4 & 5 in Ireland) until half the population is vaccinated is only a viable strategy when your vaccination programme is actually good (UK, Israel)

It's not a viable strategy when it's going to take 6 months.

JDxtra · 10-03-2021 03:19PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/news/tanaiste-positive-on-5km-limit-being-lifted-on-april-5-40181216.html

Read the last few paragraphs. Are we really looking at restrictions next winter because of flu and other non-Covid respiratory infections?

The precident has been set now to do whatever it takes to protect our shambolic health service, irregardless of whether Covid is still an issue or not.

Yes, that's how it reads. People die every year, some before their time and that is unfortunate. However cruel it seems, there needs to be an acceptable level of risk and death with everything that happens around us. Deaths from flu are expected and normal - it happened year in, year out until Covid took over the show.

We don't ban cars in winter because there are a higher than normal number of road deaths when we have darker evenings.

KrustyUCC · 10-03-2021 03:22PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/news/tanaiste-positive-on-5km-limit-being-lifted-on-april-5-40181216.html

Read the last few paragraphs. Are we really looking at restrictions next winter because of flu and other non-Covid respiratory infections?

The precident has been set now to do whatever it takes to protect our shambolic health service, irregardless of whether Covid is still an issue or not.

Yes they're already setting the scene for more lockdowns next winter

Just like predicting a lockdown in January/February even before the October lockdown had started

Getting the groundwork in now

hynesie08 · 10-03-2021 03:22PM

Monster249 wrote: »

Because keeping the significant level of restrictions (level 4 & 5 in Ireland) until half the population is vaccinated is only a viable strategy when your vaccination programme is actually good (UK, Israel)

It's not a viable strategy when it's going to take 6 months.

How long do you think the uk is going to take?

newuser99999 · 10-03-2021 03:24PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

How long do you think the uk is going to take?

33% of their population has gotten their first dose they’re not doing too bad

Monster249 · 10-03-2021 03:25PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

How long do you think the uk is going to take?

Well as @ 05/03 they had 33 per 100 people vaccinated. They'll be over 50 by the end of March which is aligned with their opening strategy.

Our strategy is 'hold firm until we eventually catch up'

monkeybutter · 10-03-2021 03:27PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

There was more road deaths in 2020 than in 2019

This is fairly easily explained I would have thought! Prior to covid you go to a GP with flu like symptoms and you get examined and diagnosed with flu. Get some pain killers and your on your way. Remember, we don’t routinely test for flu here and never have!

Since covid, you go to the GP with flu like symptoms and your referred for a covid test. When they were testing only symptomatic people, and there was a 25% positive rate, what do you think a lot of the other 75% who tested negative but had the same symptoms were suffering from?

colds mostly, not really the flu, people were not dying in hospital from complications caused by the flu

not all road deaths are from driving

25% less recorded injuries

less drivers died

more cyclists died

more pedestrians died

and weirdly 11 passengers died, god only knows why

monkeybutter · 10-03-2021 03:33PM

Monster249 wrote: »

Because keeping the significant level of restrictions (level 4 & 5 in Ireland) until half the population is vaccinated is only a viable strategy when your vaccination programme is actually good (UK, Israel)

It's not a viable strategy when it's going to take 6 months.

level 3 worked quite well at suppressing the virus

level 5 was to knock our world beating numbers down to sensible numbers

The UK is 4 months in now so it will take them more than 6 months

same with the states

who can predict what will happen in the future on that

look the US and the UK ffed up in other areas in their control, the supply of vaccines is in the hands of private companies, theres only so much we can do about it now

monkeybutter · 10-03-2021 03:34PM

Monster249 wrote: »

Well as @ 05/03 they had 33 per 100 people vaccinated. They'll be over 50 by the end of March which is aligned with their opening strategy.

Our strategy is 'hold firm until we eventually catch up'

that's first jab only

KrustyUCC · 10-03-2021 03:40PM

https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/136965568173797376

Government pushing any easing of restrictions even further down the line

5 months of effectively level 5 restrictions

Whatsisname · 10-03-2021 03:41PM

monkeybutter wrote: »

that's first jab only

Thats still over 22 million people who've had their first dose, which gives a high percentage of protection, which is better than no doses. Over 1 million have been vaccinated with both doses currently. Why is there a need to constantly downplay UK's vaccination numbers?

PTH2009 · 10-03-2021 03:48PM

JDxtra wrote: »

Yes, that's how it reads. People die every year, some before their time and that is unfortunate. However cruel it seems, there needs to be an acceptable level of risk and death with everything that happens around us. Deaths from flu are expected and normal - it happened year in, year out until Covid took over the show.

We don't ban cars in winter because there are a higher than normal number of road deaths when we have darker evenings.

Leo start preparing the hospitals then

the kelt · 10-03-2021 03:54PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Thats still over 22 million people who've had their first dose, which gives a high percentage of protection, which is better than no doses. Over 1 million have been vaccinated with both doses currently. Why is there a need to constantly downplay UK's vaccination numbers?

Because so many people follow the "well we're not the worst" as that seems to be the narrative, we dont need to be the best as long as we're not the worst.

For the majority of this pandemic our nearest neighbour has been that whipping boy, "look at the UK, think ye have it bad here" etc etc. They're our nearest neighbour our closest nation in regards to culture etc and as long as we were seen to be doing better then them thats all that mattered.

Now since the vaccine has been rolled out that narrative has changed so they try and downplay it etc etc. You see it across multiple threads.

"Ok well the uk is doing this, but..." or "best of luck to them and i hope it works out, but...."

Its human nature really and a little pathetic .

hynesie08 · 10-03-2021 03:57PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Leo start preparing the hospitals then

What does the Tanaiste and minister for enterprise have to do with hospitals? You're embarrassing yourself at this point.

PTH2009 · 10-03-2021 03:57PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

What does the Tanaiste and minister for enterprise have to do with hospitals? You're embarrassing yourself at this point.

Then why is he mentioning lockdowns and that ?

Gael23 · 10-03-2021 03:59PM

The U.K. strategy is to give everyone one dose but that won’t work with the AZ vaccine, only the mRNA ones.

Whatsisname · 10-03-2021 04:00PM

Gael23 wrote: »

The U.K. strategy is to give everyone one dose but that won’t work with the AZ vaccine, only the mRNA ones.

No it's not.

monkeybutter · 10-03-2021 04:00PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Thats still over 22 million people who've had their first dose, which gives a high percentage of protection, which is better than no doses. Over 1 million have been vaccinated with both doses currently. Why is there a need to constantly downplay UK's vaccination numbers?

why is continuously brought up

they are doing a grand old job at the vaccine and did a shoite job with the old covid

if we had gone or own way it would have been even more of a disaster

we were let down by AZ and are going to be let down by others

that is not necessarily the fault of anyone, not even AZ

SnuggyBear · 10-03-2021 04:01PM

JDxtra wrote: »

Yes, that's how it reads. People die every year, some before their time and that is unfortunate. However cruel it seems, there needs to be an acceptable level of risk and death with everything that happens around us. Deaths from flu are expected and normal - it happened year in, year out until Covid took over the show.

We don't ban cars in winter because there are a higher than normal number of road deaths when we have darker evenings.

So he's saying we might have to lockdown as result of locking down. Amazing.

Russman · 10-03-2021 04:06PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Thats still over 22 million people who've had their first dose, which gives a high percentage of protection, which is better than no doses. Over 1 million have been vaccinated with both doses currently. Why is there a need to constantly downplay UK's vaccination numbers?

There's no need to downplay them, but equally no need to compare ourselves with them either. Its beyond apples and oranges.

They took a massive gamble and it looks like it might pay off, grand, let them at it.
I'm more interested in the group that we're a member of, and how we're doing and how it can be improved and when we might get out of this.

fin12 · 10-03-2021 04:07PM

Mid May now most of level 5 to continue, this really has gone beyond a joke now.

My friend in South Korea just cannot believe we have the lockdown we have here, they have all things open over there till 10pm .

I made the mistake to leave my radio on during the news bulletin....

Sobit1964 · 10-03-2021 04:10PM

Gael23 wrote: »

The U.K. strategy is to give everyone one dose but that won’t work with the AZ vaccine, only the mRNA ones.

Source for this? If not there is a forum for flat earthers.

Russman · 10-03-2021 04:11PM

fin12 wrote: »

Mid May now most of level 5 to continue, this really has gone beyond a joke now.

My friend in South Korea just cannot believe we have the lockdown we have here, they have all things open over there till 10pm .

I made the mistake to leave my radio on during the news bulletin....

Who said this ? (genuinely asking, not arguing it)

Riodej1578 · 10-03-2021 04:13PM

Cases numbers coming down.

Hospital numbers coming down.

ICU numbers coming down.

But modest easing of restrictions in April. Thanks to the government once again for the positivity.

This is carnage, absolute CARNAGE.

statesaver · 10-03-2021 04:18PM

Riodej1578 wrote: »

Cases numbers coming down.

Hospital numbers coming down.

ICU numbers coming down.

But modest easing of restrictions in April. Thanks to the government once again for the positivity.

This is carnage, absolute CARNAGE.

Anti lockdown protests are only going to get bigger if that's the case.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings