When will it all end?

10-03-2021 10:57AM

Risteard81 wrote: »

Agreed, except I wouldn't describe people venting their just rage as "scumbags" or "crackpots". It is entirely predictable what happened. I said last year that maintaining such population control will inevitably end with politicians being hanged from lampposts.

You wouldn't, but RTE, most of the media, the government, and the opposition, including all the pro worker / ordinary Joe Soap left parties do, without interviewing even a single one of them. Not going to end well.

the kelt · 10-03-2021 11:00AM

Rodin wrote: »

There's nothing harsh about the lockdown. Roads very busy. Enforcement is minimal.

Harshness isnt just based on people travelling about.

People travelling about, being restricted or not restricted as the case may be is in reality the very bottom of the list for people suffering due to the harshness of Lockdown.

TonyMaloney · 10-03-2021 11:02AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I've said this before and was ridiculed. These protests are like the 1916 rising, which was let's face it a collection of assorted crackpots, and some genuine people. They got destroyed in the media and by the vast majority of people at the time who were foursquare behind British rule in Ireland. That changed very rapidly.

When there are tens of thousands who have lost everything on the streets protesting RTE won't be able to tar all of them with the "Far Right TM" label and violent hooligans ..... ONE crackpot launched a rocket and being generous lets say 20 scumbags threw bottles and cans at Gardai. They get more abuse than that on an average Saturday night. Not a single building damaged or window broken. That's not a riot.

The laid back nature of the vaccine supply issue and the imposition of more lockdowns.

The country right now is a pressure cooker. Nearly a million people on some sort of state income support. If they don't do something soon to release some of the pressure it won't be pretty. There is a strong Marie Antoinette vibe off certain sections of the population.

So, the lockdown protests are like the 1916 rebellion because it involved a bunch of lunatics and some genuine people?
The water-charge protests were also like 1916 too so.
In fact a surprising number of events are a lot like 1916 if that's your criteria.

As for being labelled far-right, well obviously that's not nice if you're not one at all, but you are attending rallies organised and attended by far-right groups, so...

It also doesn't help your cause that so many of the prominent anti-restriction types in Ireland are far right - Gemma O'Doherty, John Waters, John McGuirk, Tracey O'Mahoney etc.
Even Ivor Cummins has been trying his hand at a bit of anti-semitism.

Also what doesn't help your cause is using references like Marie Antoinette. The implication quite clearly being a threat of violence.

BigMo1 · 10-03-2021 11:02AM

the kelt wrote: »

Harshness isnt just based on people travelling about.

People travelling about, being restricted or not restricted as the case may be is in reality the very bottom of the list for people suffering due to the harshness of Lockdown.

Absolutely. Most people can't even visit their parents FFS.

Micky 32 · 10-03-2021 11:06AM

Deleted User wrote: »

April 2022 at the current rate of rollout. Let them eat cake.

I still think by autumn 2021 anyone who wants a jab will get one.

aziz · 10-03-2021 11:10AM

Rodin wrote: »

There's nothing harsh about the lockdown. Roads very busy. Enforcement is minimal.

Utter bollox,I haven’t worked in a year and not knowing when I can get back is starting to “ corncern” me
Whole industries have been put on hiatus but the bills are still rolling in.
My car is only used for the weekly shopping trip but still has to be taxed and insured as if life was normal

10-03-2021 11:10AM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

So, the lockdown protests are like the 1916 rebellion because it involved a bunch of lunatics and some genuine people?
The water-charge protests were also like 1916 too so.
In fact a surprising number of events are a lot like 1916 if that's your criteria.

I don't remember Irish Water shutting businesses wholesale and destroying people's liveliehoods?

TonyMaloney wrote: »

As for being labelled far-right, well obviously that's not nice if you're not one at all, but you are attending rallies organised and attended by far-right groups, so...

It also doesn't help your cause that so many of the prominent anti-restriction types in Ireland are far right - Gemma O'Doherty, John Waters, John McGuirk, Tracey O'Mahoney etc.
Even Ivor Cummins has been trying his hand at a bit of anti-semitism.

Also what doesn't help your cause is using references like Marie Antoinette. The implication quite clearly being a threat of violence.

Far right? The first three people you mention above, to the best of my knowledge - I haven't heard of the other two - were even at the protest, and the main speaker at the Cork protest is a prominent Socialist politician. But you go on believing what you want.

I'm not threatening anything. I didn't attend the protest, I've criticised protesting during a pandemic full stop. However if lots are vaccinated and we are still restricted, I would review my position. I've thankfully been minimally financially affected by the restrictions, but I know many many people that are. I'm just calling it as I see it. The reference to Marie Antoinette was to show how divorced from reality many people, including yourself, are.

Natterjack from Kerry · 10-03-2021 11:11AM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

. There is no hunger to get out of lockdown.

What? That every single person in the country wants us to be out of lockdown would contradict that.

10-03-2021 11:13AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I still think by autumn 2021 anyone who wants a jab will get one.

Wishful thinking. Look at the talk of delays already with J&J and it’s not even approved in the EU yet.

TonyMaloney · 10-03-2021 11:21AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't remember Irish Water shutting businesses wholesale and destroying people's liveliehoods?

Far right? The first three people you mention above, to the best of my knowledge - I haven't heard of the other two - were even at the protest, and the main speaker at the Cork protest is a prominent Socialist politician. But you go on believing what you want.

I'm not threatening anything. I didn't attend the protest, I've criticised protesting during a pandemic full stop. However if lots are vaccinated and we are still restricted, I would review my position. I've thankfully been minimally financially affected by the restrictions, but I know many many people that are. I'm just calling it as I see it. The reference to Marie Antoinette was to show how divorced from reality many people, including yourself, are.

You referenced the famous execution of a head of state in conjunction with lockdown protests to show how divorced from reality people like me are?

Have a nice day

10-03-2021 11:35AM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

You referenced the famous execution of a head of state in conjunction with lockdown protests to show how divorced from reality people like me are?

Have a nice day

This is what you are dealing with. Pathetic straw man replies. Marie Antoinette is most famously known for the misattributed "let them eat cake" remark, which she never actually said, it was attributed to her, as a metaphor for the aloof nature of the ruling classes. And she wasn't a head of state either, Louis 16th was, but that's neither here nor there. If you actually think I'm suggesting Leo Varadkar or someone similar will be guillotined, you need help.

Micky 32 · 10-03-2021 11:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Wishful thinking. Look at the talk of delays already with J&J and it’s not even approved in the EU yet.

It’s not wishful thinking ( well not on my part anyway) issues can get ironed out especially in such an emergency.

Yeah it’s not approved yet, next month it will be. Still quite a distance to late 2021 yet. A lot can happen between now and then.

10-03-2021 11:47AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s not wishful thinking ( well not on my part anyway) issues can get ironed out especially in such an emergency.

Yeah it’s not approved yet, next month it will be. Still quite a distance to late 2021 yet. A lot can happen between now and then.

A lot certainly can happen. A week is a long time in politics. Another lost summer won't go down well though with many businesses.

gozunda · 10-03-2021 12:01PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

Agreed, except I wouldn't describe people venting their just rage as "scumbags" or "crackpots". It is entirely predictable what happened. I said last year that maintaining such population control will inevitably end with politicians being hanged from lampposts.

And how's that idea working out for you?

10-03-2021 12:14PM

gozunda wrote: »

And how's that idea working out for you?

Hopefully he's speaking metaphorically.

El_Duderino 09 · 10-03-2021 12:17PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I still think by autumn 2021 anyone who wants a jab will get one.

That's not possible. They don't expect approval for vaccines for any under 18s until after autumn 2021. They might have all adults who want the vaccination, vaccinated by then, but definitely for not the whole population.

SnuggyBear · 10-03-2021 12:18PM

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

What? That every single person in the country wants us to be out of lockdown would contradict that.

The government look hungry to get out of lockdown to you?

Ladylouth · 10-03-2021 12:32PM

Far right? Far left? Have these labels turned upside down and inside out in the last year? I literally cannot believe that those on the left are not the ones up in arms about lockdown and it's catastrophic impact on society. For me it seems that I am left or far left on most issues and right/far right on lockdown. I abhor GOD and JW's views on most things, but not on this. I suspect their anti-lockdown motivation is very different from mine though. I haven't attended any protests yet, but if this continues, that's where I'll be headed.

The labels are unhelpful. Just an easy excuse for government and media both to ignore normal people whose lives are in turmoil.

stefanovich · 10-03-2021 12:37PM

Ladylouth wrote: »

Far right? Far left? Have these labels turned upside down and inside out in the last year? I literally cannot believe that those on the left are not the ones up in arms about lockdown and it's catastrophic impact on society. For me it seems that I am left or far left on most issues and right/far right on lockdown. I abhor GOD and JW's views on most things, but not on this. I suspect their anti-lockdown motivation is very different from mine though. I haven't attended any protests yet, but if this continues, that's where I'll be headed.

The labels are unhelpful. Just an easy excuse for government and media both to ignore normal people whose lives are in turmoil.

I was wondering what you had against God and the Jehovah's Witnesses in particular and then it clicked :pac:

stefanovich · 10-03-2021 12:38PM

Ladylouth wrote: »

For me it seems that I am left or far left on most issues

I don't think you are far left. Far left is gulags and mass extermination.

ypres5 · 10-03-2021 12:43PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's not possible. They don't expect approval for vaccines for any under 18s until after autumn 2021. They might have all adults who want the vaccination, vaccinated by then, but definitely for not the whole population.

it's a good thing that children are mostly unaffected by covid then. once the over 60s and medically vulnerable are vaccinated then it's time to start putting lockdown in the rear view mirror

El_Duderino 09 · 10-03-2021 12:47PM

ypres5 wrote: »

it's a good thing that children are mostly unaffected by covid then. once the over 60s and medically vulnerable are vaccinated then it's time to start putting lockdown in the rear view mirror

If you say so. it it doesn't take from the point that we won't have vaccinated everyone who wants a vaccine by the autumn, as the poster said above.

My understanding was that they were estimating 70-80% before any chance of a herd immunity effect and without the under 18s there's no real chance of getting that high. Maybe the estimates have changed.

Ladylouth · 10-03-2021 12:49PM

stefanovich wrote: »

I don't think you are far left. Far left is gulags and mass extermination.

Well you can rule me out of that so!!

10-03-2021 12:50PM

Left and right are a relatively new thing in Irish politics. It used to be pro or anti treaty or some sort of working class people (Labour) / eternally unemployed (PBP types) parties.

We don't have any right wing parties of any size in Ireland. FG are a centrist party and everyone else is to the left of them. Except when it comes to lockdowns. Then all the parties are outdoing themselves with far right fascist policies. Keep out the foreigners, or lock them in hotels under armed guard and make them pay ! Ban all protests, or only allow the ones we agree with ! Have police interrogate private citizens at every opportunity !

And the further left they are, the more they support the above.

Funny isn't it ?

monkeybutter · 10-03-2021 01:01PM

Blueshirts ...cough

Kunta Kinte · 10-03-2021 01:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Hopefully he's speaking metaphorically.

Given that particular poster`s previous comments I don`t believe that to be the case.

Micky 32 · 10-03-2021 01:03PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's not possible. They don't expect approval for vaccines for any under 18s until after autumn 2021. They might have all adults who want the vaccination, vaccinated by then, but definitely for not the whole population.

I was referring to adults that are mostly at risk, over 18’s . The people that matter that will get us on our way to normality.

It’s quite possible under 18’s could be approved by then.

Risteard81 · 10-03-2021 01:03PM

Ladylouth wrote: »

I literally cannot believe that those on the left are not the ones up in arms about lockdown and it's catastrophic impact on society.

I can only speak for myself, but I am completely opposed to these measures. I consider them to be an act of Treason.

Micky 32 · 10-03-2021 01:06PM

ypres5 wrote: »

it's a good thing that children are mostly unaffected by covid then. once the over 60s and medically vulnerable are vaccinated then it's time to start putting lockdown in the rear view mirror

I wouldn’t bother, the poster is trying to find everything and anything to argue about getting our freedoms back and normality. The poster will be sorely disappointed come end of the year.

There will be very few hospitalizations even if the under 18’s are not vaccinated.

Risteard81 · 10-03-2021 01:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

FG are a centrist party and everyone else is to the left of them.

I would consider them to be centre-right at best. FF are also centre-right in my opinion, though perhaps slightly less to the right than FG.

When will it all end?

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