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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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  • #3752
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Please stop the bullying and misrepresentation thanks.

    Horsesh1t.


    You were asked this question:

    In that case you must have hated every US president for the last 100+ years.


    You responded:

    Yep, pretty much. That's why Trump was so refreshing. I wish he had taken Corona more seriously and tried to act more presidential. He would have it in the bag.


  • #3753
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I asked you to reply to this. Try not to ignore it this time.
    Why do you believe Trump a better person than Obama?

    I do, but not because of the number of bombs dropped. My point was that actions speak louder than words. You were portraying Biden as the nice guy. Let's focus on what he does.
    You previously incorrectly labelled Obama as the king of the drone strikes when a quick Google would have told you you were wrong.
    He was at the time when I got my information. I was telling the truth based on the information I had .
    Now you're telling us to wait for Biden's body count after 4 years before deciding if he is a good person or not.
    I am waiting to see if Biden will start any wars. He's already ordered some controversial military interventions.
    Yet you now know that Trump's body count after 2 years was higher than Obama's body count after 8 years and yet you still just said that you don't think Obama is a better person than Trump.
    Depends on who gets killed to be honest. ISIS fighters I couldn't care less. Civilians I care a lot.
    So why do we need to wait 4 years to see Biden's body count since that body count number doesn't even determine for you let alone us if someone is a good person or not?
    Again I don't think you got my point which was that just because Biden is more agreeable (and even that can be disputed, looks like he'll pander to anything that makes him look good) doesn't make him a better person. To me he seems very insincere.


  • #3754
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Horsesh1t.


    You were asked this question:

    In that case you must have hated every US president for the last 100+ years.


    You responded:

    Yep, pretty much. That's why Trump was so refreshing. I wish he had taken Corona more seriously and tried to act more presidential. He would have it in the bag.

    Look the other guy deserved it more than you but the pile on was starting again as well as the personal attacks.


  • #3755
    Ramasun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Ramasun


    I wasn't much impressed with Joe Biden as VP and I didn't really like his manner, he seemed a bit false, trying too hard to be nice. Too old too.

    That was compared to Obama.

    He has won me over a bit in the last year or so by just being boring. He's exactly what the world needs right now.


  • #3756
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Look the other guy deserved it more than you but the pile on was starting again as well as the personal attacks.

    I didn't personally attack you. I simply clarified the fact that you stated that you hate every president for the past 100 years bar Trump who you found refreshing.


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  • #3757
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Ramasun wrote: »
    I wasn't much impressed with Joe Biden as VP and I didn't really like his manner, he seemed a bit false, trying too hard to be nice. Too old too.

    That was compared to Obama.

    He has won me over a bit in the last year or so by just being boring. He's exactly what the world needs right now.

    He is exactly what the world needs and urgently too considering climate change. In may ways, Biden himself is irrelevant. What is important is the policies and legislation he and his administration will push through.


  • #3758
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Fawn? I gave the guy credit where it was due. I called him out on the corona response among other things.

    You actively downplay the fact his behaviour was disgraceful throughout his presidency. So I wouldn't say there's any indication that you're particularly discerning.

    In terms of being kind to voters btw, he was kind to those who voted for him. He was vitriolic about any who criticized. He demeaned veterans and their families on more than one occasion. Then there was the fact that he often downplayed the actions of white supremacists cause they backed him.

    Then there was that insurrection he egged on and his continued claims of voter fraud. Basically he doesn't respect democracy at all. You're an autocrat fan. Refreshing.


  • #3759
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I didn't personally attack you. I simply clarified the fact that you stated that you hate every president for the past 100 years bar Trump who you found refreshing.

    I hated a lot of their policies. I don't think I feel strong enough to hate any of them personally.


  • #3760
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    stefanovich wrote: »
    I've only seen him bite voters though. Trump on the other hand was mean to politicians and kind to voters.

    He purposefully put their lives at risk by holding super spreader events.
    He made them sign waivers in case they caught covid.
    He riled up his supporters and told them to march on the Capitol building. Many are now arrested.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #3761
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    everlast75 wrote: »
    And there you go.

    The key problem you have is not that "Democrats behave badly", it is that according to you, they don't get called on it as much.

    In essence, you have no problem with ill behaviour. If you did, you would have turned off Trump years ago. You didn't have a problem with Trump doing these things, but you have a problem now because Biden isn't getting called on deeds which you perceive to be comparable to Trump.

    Quick update for you - nothing, and i repeat nothing Biden has done in his 8 years as VP or 2 months as president, has been even comparable to Trump.

    Biden is a bully because he spoke sternly to two people? Trump used the office for 4 years to harass people and caused them to receive death threats.

    Biden misspoke? Hamburders, Covfefe etc. Trump stared into the sun, said windmills give you cancer and suggested that injecting bleach could cure covid.

    Biden is bombing innocent people? Trump abolished holding accounts of who died from drones and increased their frequency.

    Biden is creepy with women? Trump is currently being sued for sexual assault and has I think 15 or so other accusers.

    Biden isn't healthy? Trump dictated his own medical reports.

    I can do this all day.

    Look - Trump was, by all objective analysis, an abomination, a disgrace to the office, a deeply flawed and vindictive narcissist who will be looked on as such forever more. But you don't care. Because either that's what you expect of politicians or worse, that's what you like about them.

    While Biden is not a saint (there is no politician who is) but you don't have a problem per se with that. You are just angry that Trump was called on it and you think that's not fair.
    stefanovich wrote: »
    I take issue with all your statements in bold. I don't think you are a very good judge of character. You are literally downplaying every point about Biden and using bombastic language when it comes to Trump in what appears to be an effort to exaggerate.

    It comes across as prejudicial and biased to be honest.

    If you only take issue with the statements in bold, show me where you criticised Trump for the parts of my post that you are in agreement with?

    Because to me, unless you have had a go at Trump over this behaviour, your choice to have a go with Biden over less smacks of hypocrisy.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • #3762
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    He is exactly what the world needs and urgently too considering climate change. In may ways, Biden himself is irrelevant. What is important is the policies and legislation he and his administration will push through.

    How does boring solve climate change?

    For the man on the street whose cost of living has gone up due to energy prices or who has lost his pipeline job he's not doing a great job.

    And exporting your pollution to China or India does not solve climate change.


  • #3763
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    everlast75 wrote: »
    If you only take issue with the statements in bold

    I take issue with the statements in bold because you are attacking my character. Doesn't mean I agree with the rest. Try being nicer to people.


  • #3764
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    stefanovich wrote: »
    I take issue with the statements in bold because you are attacking my character. Doesn't mean I agree with the rest. Try being nicer to people.

    or perhaps you could look past any perceived slight and address the substantive content of the post?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #3765
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    stefanovich wrote: »
    How does boring solve climate change?

    For the man on the street whose cost of living has gone up due to energy prices or who has lost his pipeline job he's not doing a great job.

    And exporting your pollution to China or India does not solve climate change.
    It's looking pretty likely that there's gonna be a large infrastructure overhaul cause the US has largely fallen behind. This will not only create new jobs but also include moving away from fossil fuels.

    In terms of lost jobs on the keystone pipeline, they were also largely temporary jobs. So I'd say modernizing and the economic boom that comes from that is far more preferable than the pipeline.


  • #3766
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    everlast75 wrote: »
    He purposefully put their lives at risk by holding super spreader events.
    He made them sign waivers in case they caught covid.
    He riled up his supporters and told them to march on the Capitol building. Many are now arrested.

    I can agree with you on covid - i don't think he took it seriously enough.

    He told them to protest peacefully.

    Should the democrats be held accountable for the billions in property damage cause by looter and rioters they explicitly supported?


  • #3767
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    everlast75 wrote: »
    or perhaps you could look past any perceived slight and address the substantive content of the post?

    "Perceived". Just ridiculous. Maybe I should look past the abuse and misrepresentation and focus on the "substance". I don't see any substance.


  • #3768
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,514 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The **** your feelings crowd have turned out to be the biggest snowflakes of them all. Who would have thought it??


  • #3769
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    stefanovich wrote: »
    I do, but not because of the number of bombs dropped. My point was that actions speak louder than words. You were portraying Biden as the nice guy. Let's focus on what he does.

    That's literally the complete opposite of what you're doing. You're telling us to wait and see what the body count will be in 4 years rather than judging him on what he's doing now. You're telling us us we should judge him on "what if?" scenarios, which is delusional.
    stefanovich wrote: »
    He was at the time when I got my information.

    He was the king of the drone strikes at the time when you got your information? What? Are you suggesting that you got that information at the end of Obama's term, but since then you've paid so little attention to politics that you didn't know what Trump's numbers were at any point? Why should any of us take anything you say seriously when you're admitting that you don't know what you're talking about?
    stefanovich wrote: »
    I am waiting to see if Biden will start any wars. He's already ordered some controversial military interventions.
    Again, telling us to judge someone on "what if?" scenarios. Apparently, we should only judge a president after their term has ended.

    stefanovich wrote: »
    Depends on who gets killed to be honest. ISIS fighters I couldn't care less. Civilians I care a lot.

    This is what I get for replying to certain parts of posts before reading the post in full. I have crossed out my replies as you do not deserve any responses to your drivel. I forgot that you were the poster who before was very angry about Obama's drone killings (so much so that you gave him a label) but then when it was pointed out to you that Trump did more you assumed that those larger number of strikes must have been justified because they were done under dear Trump yet provided no sources to back up anything. "Absolute ****" I believe is the technical term for that way of thinking.

    You are ridiculously biased against democrats, you are ridiculously biased against logic and you would not support a democrat no matter how many positive boxes of yours he ticked. You are doing nothing but posting in bad faith.


  • #3770
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    stefanovich wrote: »
    I can agree with you on covid - i don't think he took it seriously enough.

    He told them to protest peacefully.

    Should the democrats be held accountable for the billions in property damage cause by looter and rioters they explicitly supported?

    No - hang on.

    You said he treated his supporters well.

    I outlined that he actively didn't.

    You said he didn't take it seriously enough. He did but only when it came to his own personal safety. He is on tape saying so. He was vaccinated in January and kept it quiet.

    So, to your comment - he did take is seriously. And he he did put his supporters at risk.

    So, can you accept that you are wrong on that point.



    Re Capitol - do you know what, if you cannot see the line between him telling them to fight like hell, telling them that he will march with them then believing what happened next was a natural follow on, then I'm not getting into it with you. You know the difference between what Trump did on Jan 6 and what BLM was about. Well, either you do and don't care, or don't in which case you won't change your mind at this stage.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #3771
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    stefanovich wrote: »
    "Perceived". Just ridiculous. Maybe I should look past the abuse and misrepresentation and focus on the "substance". I don't see any substance.

    Report it then for bullying, or abuse.

    Otherwise, I see it as being a refusal to engage in the facts and mere diversion tactics.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • #3772
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    stefanovich wrote: »
    "Perceived". Just ridiculous. Maybe I should look past the abuse and misrepresentation and focus on the "substance". I don't see any substance.

    This is pretty textbook, poster gets proven wrong on multiple points. Gets shown up as a bit hypocritical then ignores posters as they're supposedly bullying him. Lots of responses to your posts that you've not addressed at all btw. Earlier you seemed to imply Harris invented her friendship with Beau Biden for example..


  • #3773
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Deleted User wrote: »


    That's literally the complete opposite of what you're doing. You're telling us to wait and see what the body count will be in 4 years rather than judging him on what he's doing now. You're telling us us we should judge him on "what if?" scenarios, which is delusional.



    He was the king of the drone strikes at the time when you got your information? What? Are you suggesting that you got that information at the end of Obama's term, but since then you've paid so little attention to politics that you didn't know what Trump's numbers were at any point? Why should any of us take anything you say seriously when you're admitting that you don't know what you're talking about?


    Again, telling us to judge someone on "what if?" scenarios. Apparently, we should only judge a president after their term has ended.




    This is what I get for replying to certain parts of posts before reading the post in full. I have crossed out my replies as you do not deserve any responses to your drivel. I forgot that you were the poster who before was very angry about Obama's drone killings (so much so that you gave him a label) but then when it was pointed out to you that Trump did more you assumed that those larger number of strikes must have been justified because they were done under dear Trump yet provided no sources to back up anything. "Absolute ****" I believe is the technical term for that way of thinking.

    You are ridiculously biased against democrats, you are ridiculously biased against logic and you would not support a democrat no matter how many positive boxes of yours he ticked. You are doing nothing but posting in bad faith.

    :pac: Okay I am disengaging now. You are starting to scare me. Seek help.


  • #3774
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    stefanovich wrote: »
    :pac: Okay I am disengaging now. You are starting to scare me. Seek help.

    And another personal dig. And another post without sources. And another post without any critical thinking. And another post that's not addressing anything about what I said.

    Are you trying your best to tick all of the boxes of your average Trumpist?


  • #3775
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    stefanovich wrote: »
    :pac: Okay I am disengaging now. You are starting to scare me. Seek help.

    Haven't you accused other posters of bullying and then you've said this?


  • #3776
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This is pretty textbook, poster gets proven wrong on multiple points. Gets shown up as a bit hypocritical then ignores posters as they're supposedly bullying him. Lots of responses to your posts that you've not addressed at all btw. Earlier you seemed to imply Harris invented her friendship with Beau Biden for example..

    I was not proven wrong.
    I've been highlighting how hypocritical you all are and indulged you by explaining myself again and again and again.
    Yes you are using bully tactics. I'm not upset by them but I see no value in continuing to argue the same over and over.

    Whether Harris was a friend of Beau's or not is largely irrelevant. After he was long dead she supported someone who accused Biden of sexual harrassment. Anyone would discount her as a running mate after that. Problem is they realised a female minority would be good optics.


  • #3777
    Quantum Baloney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭Quantum Baloney


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Well if Biden's body count is less than half a million, it is better than Trump's.

    Why stop at the American death toll? Why not make Trump responsible for all Covid deaths worldwide? :confused:


  • #3778
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And another personal dig. And another post without sources. And another post without any critical thinking. And another post that's not addressing anything about what I said.

    Are you trying your best to tick all of the boxes of your average Trumpist?
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Haven't you accused other posters of bullying and then you've said this?

    "Aristotle" just striked through all my posts. Seemed very aggressive.


  • #3779
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    stefanovich wrote: »
    "Aristotle" just striked through all my posts. Seemed very aggressive.

    u ok hun? xxx


  • #3780
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    stefanovich wrote: »
    "Aristotle" just striked through all my posts. Seemed very aggressive.

    beyond parody

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • #3781
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    stefanovich wrote: »
    I do, but not because of the number of bombs dropped. My point was that actions speak louder than words. You were portraying Biden as the nice guy. Let's focus on what he does.


    He was at the time when I got my information. I was telling the truth based on the information I had .


    I am waiting to see if Biden will start any wars. He's already ordered some controversial military interventions.


    Depends on who gets killed to be honest. ISIS fighters I couldn't care less. Civilians I care a lot.


    Again I don't think you got my point which was that just because Biden is more agreeable (and even that can be disputed, looks like he'll pander to anything that makes him look good) doesn't make him a better person. To me he seems very insincere.

    This is a very poor argument when remotely considered in any rational manner. It boils down to something along the following lines: if Joe Biden is so great, why doesn't he fundamentally go against United States foreign policy since WWII?

    Trump's inaction on the world stage isn't something he purposely did, he was just plan negligent and didn't care what was going on internationally - this is the basic lie behind "America first" and the people that push this mentality.

    US foreign policy is very unlikely to change in our lifetimes and pretending that Trump did or didn't do things as a matter of policy is, frankly, delusional.


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