When will it all end?

topdecko · 09-03-2021 09:17AM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Based on the American Psychiatric Association, Center for Workplace Mental Health’s 15 abusive relationship signals, our government is currently exhibiting behaviours of an abusive relationship.

Do you really believe this or are you taking the piss??
Multiple countries in europe going back into lockdown and struggling with serious third wave of infection. Czech Rep and Slovakia having to transport patients to Germany and neighbouring countries as they are overwhelmed. Poland had restaurants/ cinemas and bars open at 50% occupancy and they are going to have to impose stricter measures as well due to increasing numbers of cases.
we went from 6,000 cases per day in Jan and a health system close to collapse to our current situation primarily because of lockdown and public adherence and grit. Now because it has been successful you are clamouring for a return to a 3rd wave scenario. Logical stuff alright

FlubberJones · 09-03-2021 09:22AM

The end seems further and further away, never any good news regarding vaccinations or new infections... they are clueless when it comes to updating the public... Every time they open their dull slack jawed gobs it is BAD NEWS.

Irish Stones · 09-03-2021 09:27AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You must be able to do outdoor activities anywhere in April, infact it should be encouraged, the CDC found that of the people admitted to hospital, 78% were heavy and really feckin heavy.

Aren't people "heavy" because "someone" asked them not to move from home?
Now they're encouraging them to move so they may lose some weight?
Interesting.

09-03-2021 09:29AM

Irish Stones wrote: »

Aren't people "heavy" because "someone" asked them not to move from home?
Now they're encouraging them to move so they may lose some weight?
Interesting.

Can people not move in their homes?

the kelt · 09-03-2021 09:59AM

Its amazing how many posters here who just come on this thread every day to say "well we really dont know when it will end and whats going to happen"

Every day, the same thing, ad nauseam, rinse and repeat?

Why?

The thread is about people discussing when this will all end, poster comes on and gives their opinion as to when that might be the case followed by "well we really dont know when it will end and whats going to happen"

No we dont know, we cant tell the future but wouldnt mind having a discussion about it and yes we heard ye the first time like! We get that!!

Its a bit like sitting in bar in the good old times having a discussion about things over a pint, "well lads whos going to win the match on saturday?" being interrupted by the pub dose (every pub has a dose no one wants to get stuck talking to) shouting over at you "well we really dont know whats going to happen"

"jaysus lads the long term weather forecast is giving that we will have great weather over the Easter, be great to get out" followed by the dose, "long term weather forecasting is notoriously inaccurate so we dont know whats going to happen"

"well lads what do ye make of Trump, will he run again in 2024 or....." followed by dose "well we dont really know what will happen as he may face some financial issues in the intervening years and...."

"Ah here **** it lets go somewhere else lads"

drunkmonkey · 09-03-2021 10:05AM

What we can tell is NPHET are running a numbers game on us..

Asked why Longford and Offaly have the highest county incidences of Covid-19, Dr Glynn cited a number of workplace outbreaks in the midlands and also outbreaks among Travellers in the region.

But he pointed out that some of the outbreaks may be “old” and are being recorded now because public health staff are catching up with them as overall case numbers decline.

I'll just repeat that again for anyone that missed it..

But he pointed out that some of the outbreaks may be “old” and are being recorded now because public health staff are catching up with them as overall case numbers decline.

So now the numbers have dropped we need to bounce them up with historical cases.

Scotty # · 09-03-2021 10:15AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What we can tell is NPHET are running a numbers game on us..

Asked why Longford and Offaly have the highest county incidences of Covid-19, Dr Glynn cited a number of workplace outbreaks in the midlands and also outbreaks among Travellers in the region.

But he pointed out that some of the outbreaks may be “old” and are being recorded now because public health staff are catching up with them as overall case numbers decline.

I'll just repeat that again for anyone that missed it..

But he pointed out that some of the outbreaks may be “old” and are being recorded now because public health staff are catching up with them as overall case numbers decline.

So now the numbers have dropped we need to bounce them up with historical cases.

This has been the procedure for logging records all along. It's not something new.

Scotty # · 09-03-2021 10:17AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Nothing stopping you travelling outside your 5km. Most people are at it. Absolute ridiculous restriction. Was in Howth at the weekend and the place was packed. Great to see so many people out enjoying the great weather

Indeed. And then moan and cry about the lockdown being extended for the 36th time!

Scotty # · 09-03-2021 10:19AM

landofthetree wrote: »

https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1369112962670104578

What a mess.

This is going to create a lot of Euroscepticism across Europe.

This is a shame but no surprise to anyone I don't think.

We all knew if the gov were promising 250k vaccines per week we'd by lucky to get half that.

I honestly will be impressed if we can get 120k done two weeks in a row in the next 12 months.

It's been a disaster for the EU.

CowboyTed · 09-03-2021 10:21AM

Tazz T wrote: »

Greece is far from open for travel at the moment. They're talking about 1st June onwards, but currently battling a new wave despite severe lockdown since December (UK variant to blame by the looks of things). They need to get that under control before then, but two months will probably do it.

Looking at some of the new 'waves' in Europe, it seems to be the countries that managed to avoid the worst of earlier waves (or didn't have the full three waves) that are being affected. The learning might that severe lockdowns simply delay the inevitable and the best strategy is what it was at the beginning - 'flatten the curve' and protect the hospitals from being overrun while the virus runs its course.

The later the waves the better as you have better clue how to treat the virus... You also have a chance to protect the vulnerable better..

Look at the mortality rates comparing 1st wave to 3rd wave...

NeuralNetwork · 09-03-2021 10:21AM

I don’t understand why data can’t be both accurate and contemporaneous. The whole way through this we have had issues locally in Ireland and internationally, with what amounts accurate data but that seems to be presented in very useless ways.

It shows for example the mortality reporting system isn’t due for anything other than broad historical analysis and the case reporting system seem to be unable to produce live data or update retrospectively, placing spikes when they happened, rather than when added to the database.

It’s not much use if you’re trying to use it to respond in real time. The systems are obviously meant for longer term epidemiology studies, not live reporting but you would think a year into this, data scientists would have built new systems to do that.

Just as an example, our system for reporting deaths is absolutely archaic. It should be able to record them as hospitals or similar report them at a technical level. The formalities of civil registration of individuals is another matter and work in parallel.

0lddog · 09-03-2021 10:23AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What we can tell is NPHET are running a numbers game on us..

Asked why Longford and Offaly have the highest county incidences of Covid-19, Dr Glynn cited a number of workplace outbreaks in the midlands and also outbreaks among Travellers in the region.

But he pointed out that some of the outbreaks may be “old” and are being recorded now because public health staff are catching up with them as overall case numbers decline.

I'll just repeat that again for anyone that missed it..

But he pointed out that some of the outbreaks may be “old” and are being recorded now because public health staff are catching up with them as overall case numbers decline.

So now the numbers have dropped we need to bounce them up with historical cases.

Its the same trick as they play with the 'Daily Deaths' figure.

For instance one day last week a headline figure of 39 deaths was reported.

These were made up of : 10 this month, 12 in February, 13 in January and three earlier than this.

Are we supposed to believe that a year into this NPHET still dont have accurate daily figures ?

Ginger n Lemon · 09-03-2021 10:28AM

Have NPHET figures been audited?

NeuralNetwork · 09-03-2021 10:28AM

It’s not a trick it’s just an inappropriate way of capturing and displaying data that’s designed for far slower analysis in normal times.

The systems never had to produce daily figures for anything as there was no fast moving pandemic like this that needed that kind of data updated all the time.

What I don’t get with the death figure though is you’re not talking about vast amount of data. To the point that you could easily manually update it, applying dates and updating the figures retrospectively on a live system.

Normally they’re only used for say capturing data for comparing years or long term trends for diseases like cancer.

We’ve never had any situation where daily figures are driving public policy and individuals’ responses to contain something.

drunkmonkey · 09-03-2021 10:34AM

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

We’ve never had any situation where daily figures are driving public policy and individuals’ responses to contain something.

We had in 2009, the Tony & Tony show was all over the news here and in the states. People wearing masks in public and screaming for vaccines that came in record time.

NeuralNetwork · 09-03-2021 10:37AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We had in 2009, the Tony & Tony show was all over the news here and in the states. People wearing masks in public and screaming for vaccines that came in record time.

The Swine Flu epidemic was very much less dramatic than this. I remember hand sanitisers appearing in various places but that was about it.

There was a big availability of Tamiflu as a treatment and some high speed vaccine rollout, which didn’t get all that much uptake from what I remember of it.

I got that in the middle of a course I was doing and had to resit part of it. It was a fairly nasty dose.

Ginger n Lemon · 09-03-2021 10:46AM

My GF had a phone call from beauty salon telling her they are taking bookings for end of April.

End is in sight.

Yes yes, we just dont know. :pac:

drunkmonkey · 09-03-2021 10:46AM

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

The Swine Flu epidemic was very much less dramatic than this. I remember hand sanitisers appearing in various places but that was about it.

There was a big availability it Tamiflu as a treatment and some high speed vaccine rollout, which didn’t get all that much uptake from what I remember of it.

I got that in the middle of a course I was doing and had to resit part of it. It was a fairly nasty dose.

Pretty much they same hype with just the added bonus of socialist media this time. Houlihan was a regular on the evening news with the NPHET or whatever they were called back then, Fauci the same hyping it up statewide.

Funny you mention Tamiflu, https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-pill-shows-promise-in-preliminary-testing-11615006861

It's all a bit of history repeating itself.

suicide_circus · 09-03-2021 10:51AM

0lddog wrote: »

Are we supposed to believe that a year into this NPHET still dont have accurate daily figures ?

Yes because NPHET is an arm of the HSE and the HSE is and always has been a shambolic dumpster fire of an organisation. Yet despite knowing this, people hang on their every word and trust them implicitly. Absolute insanity.

HBC08 · 09-03-2021 10:56AM

Scotty # wrote: »

No you're not.

But I'm not surprised you'd say you are. It's just another example of misinformed shyite talk that's rampant throughout this thread. In 16 years on boards I've never seen a thread with so much inaccuracies, misinformation, and out right lies declared as proven facts.

Protip: when you post ****e on boards and 12 people like your post, it doesn't validate your 'fact'. It just means there's 12 more loons on the thread.

The whole thread belongs in Conspiracy Theories.

None of us know what's coming. None of us. We can only hope.

Couldn't sum it up better.
By the way,if you get vaccinated you get a small paper card with the date you got vaccinated hand written on it,is that a cert?
I don't even know where mine is.

NeuralNetwork · 09-03-2021 11:11AM

I love how the American buzz words or “the socialist media” get dumped in. How is the media in 2021 socialist? Good old socialist BSkyB or CNN?!

How was the media in 2009 different?!

This is a very, very different disease to Swine Flu, which we were able to contain without any massive consequences.

But yeah just throw in socialist, liberal, and a few other random buzz words. That will explain the biology!

The one thing we didn’t have in 2009 was mainstream internet conspiracy theories claiming the flu didn’t exist and politics in key anglophone countries was a hell of a lot more boring, pragmatic and stable.

Micky 32 · 09-03-2021 11:18AM

the kelt wrote: »

Its amazing how many posters here who just come on this thread every day to say "well we really dont know when it will end and whats going to happen"

Every day, the same thing, ad nauseam, rinse and repeat?

Why?

The thread is about people discussing when this will all end, poster comes on and gives their opinion as to when that might be the case followed by "well we really dont know when it will end and whats going to happen"

No we dont know, we cant tell the future but wouldnt mind having a discussion about it and yes we heard ye the first time like! We get that!!

Its a bit like sitting in bar in the good old times having a discussion about things over a pint, "well lads whos going to win the match on saturday?" being interrupted by the pub dose (every pub has a dose no one wants to get stuck talking to) shouting over at you "well we really dont know whats going to happen"

"jaysus lads the long term weather forecast is giving that we will have great weather over the Easter, be great to get out" followed by the dose, "long term weather forecasting is notoriously inaccurate so we dont know whats going to happen"

"well lads what do ye make of Trump, will he run again in 2024 or....." followed by dose "well we dont really know what will happen as he may face some financial issues in the intervening years and...."

"Ah here **** it lets go somewhere else lads"

Weighing it all up and with the data that emerges everyday fast forward to this day 12 months time there will be some that will be eating their words, no correction choking on them

:pac:

Either way history has taught us pandemics never last forever vaccines or not. The vaccines will help speed up the end process.

09-03-2021 11:19AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

My GF had a phone call from beauty salon telling her they are taking bookings for end of April.

End is in sight.

Yes yes, we just dont know. :pac:

Some beauticans and hairdressers are open on the quiet. The other half got her hair done at the weekend .

JDD · 09-03-2021 11:29AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Some beauticans and hairdressers are open on the quiet. The other half got her hair done at the weekend .

I know my hairdresser said back in October that if the salon closed again, she'd be doing hair from her house. I don't really blame her - you can survive for a couple of months on the PUP but after a while you have to start making the right choice for your immediate family, even if that's at odds with what is the right choice for society at large.

I've been tempted to contact her a couple of times, but to be honest I've never been high maintenance so I can survive a bit longer. I know friends who are much more meticulous about their appearance and I'd say it's those kinds of people who end up taking advantage of hairdressing nixers.

09-03-2021 11:33AM

JDD wrote: »

I know my hairdresser said back in October that if the salon closed again, she'd be doing hair from her house. I don't really blame her - you can survive for a couple of months on the PUP but after a while you have to start making the right choice for your immediate family, even if that's at odds with what is the right choice for society at large.

I've been tempted to contact her a couple of times, but to be honest I've never been high maintenance so I can survive a bit longer. I know friends who are much more meticulous about their appearance and I'd say it's those kinds of people who end up taking advantage of hairdressing nixers.

My other halfs hairdressor contacted her to say she was reopening on the quiet and did she want to get her hair done. She told her she couldnt continue on the PUP while struggling to pay bills. She is only looking after her regulars at the moment. Cant blame her for reopening tho. Say there is a good few of them doing it on the quiet at the moment

Level 42 · 09-03-2021 11:35AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

My GF had a phone call from beauty salon telling her they are taking bookings for end of April.

End is in sight.

Yes yes, we just dont know. :pac:

Mickey must of rang the salon

Micky 32 · 09-03-2021 11:48AM

Level 42 wrote: »

Mickey must of rang the salon

No, April would be a bit soon IMO. We won’t have the masses vaccinated by April. If i had rang them i would have said late summer/autumn before thinking about reopening.

I have a feeling some think i’m anti restrictions on here. Further from the truth. The current lockdown is necessary and i don’t think we should just open up until enough people are vaccinated or numbers are low in conjunction with vaccinations. I have parents in their 70’s with heart conditions and they are my main concern. These vaccines will be a game changer.

Hooked · 09-03-2021 11:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Some beauticans and hairdressers are open on the quiet. The other half got her hair done at the weekend .

A lot are - and who could blame them. 1 on 1 service - with sterlised instruments and both masked up. A total joke to still have them shut when the likes of B@Q, Halfords and supermarkets are packed!

Don't get me started on the 5km travel restriction. UTTER FÜCK1NG NONSENSE at this stage. What difference does it make if we are outdoors in a packed playground within 5km or in total isolation on a remote beach or off the beaten track.

I'm happy to adhere to all the "rules" but the 5km restriction is beyond a feckin' joke now... Prisoners in our own country.

Ginger n Lemon · 09-03-2021 11:57AM

Hooked wrote: »

A lot are - and who could blame them. 1 on 1 service - with sterlised instruments and both masked up. A total joke to still have them shut when the likes of B@Q, Halfords and supermarkets are packed!

Don't get me started on the 5km travel restriction. UTTER FÜCK1NG NONSENSE at this stage. What difference does it make if we are outdoors in a packed playground within 5km or in total isolation on a remote beach or off the beaten track.

I'm happy to adhere to all the "rules" but the 5km restriction is beyond a feckin' joke now... Prisoners in our own country.

5km has nothing to do with the virus. its to prevent evictions, not only of individuals but of businesses also (tons of rent in arrears now)

Hooked · 09-03-2021 11:59AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

5km has nothing to do with the virus. its to prevent evictions, not only of individuals but of businesses also (tons of rent in arrears now)

Well if it is.. they could've tackled this issue separate to jailing the rest of us.

Insanity!

When will it all end?

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