The Great Big Lawnmower Thread

theaaao · 05-03-2021 09:02PM

Anyone bought direct from Irish Mowers/AM Rentals up the north recently? What is the follow up service like if you needed it?!

CodeJACK · 08-03-2021 06:11PM

I'm looking for a mower that will easily care for my 200-250sqm of grass. Having read back over a few pages, I think I'd like this Toro but it it way over spec for what I need?
https://www.bvsparts.ie/product/toro-21750-53cm/

I'd probably use the collector the most but I love cutting the grass so maybe the mulcher would become the most used and would save me money as I put a lot of clipping in the brown bin. I started putting them in the compost bin last year but there is just so much.

The grass is very think at times and if its in any way wet/damp, it clogs my existing 30+ year old mower that was donated to me by my dad once he restored it. We certainly got our moneys worth out if it :-)

Any other recommendations for me with that sort of budget and use? Any point chasing a Honda engine or Briggs?
I'd rather buy from Irish stock so if there are any links to deals, please let me know and ill ring to make sure they actually have the stock.

Or this one maybe?
https://www.bvsparts.ie/product/weibang-506-scv-pro/

deezell · 09-03-2021 09:30AM

Two very large mowers for such a small area, lots of arm wrestling, turning and twisting. The Toro is compact enough, ( it has a briggs ane stratton engine btw), only 30kg, the Wieibang close to 50kg A smaller cut mower will reduce weight, give longer to enjoy the mowing as you assert, and will be better for awkward corners. Maybe a 42 or 46 cm cut. This composite deck husqvarna is 27kg
https://www.atkins.ie/garden-machinery/mowers/lawn-mowers/husqvarna-lc247-lawnmower-hvlc247
Plenty big enough, lighter, no rust.
Or perhaps blow your budget in a top end battery mower, no petrol, noise, pull starting etc. Starting with something like this,
https://www.atkins.ie/garden-machinery/batteries-powered/battery-mowers/husqvarna-lc141i-battery-lawnmower-hvlc141i
Or at the high end, this
https://monaghanhire.com/products/stihl-rm-545-ve-electric-start-push-lawnmower

CodeJACK · 09-03-2021 10:29AM

Thanks deezell.
The cutting desk on what I have right now is 18" and I thought it was too small. There does not seem to be a lot in 20". I thought a bigger deck might clear the clippings better and clog less???

OK, ill look for others that are lighter but I'd rather stick with Petrol while I still can. Noise and smell is part of the process that I like :-)

Am I wasting my time with a mulcher option do you think?

kaiserrussel · 09-03-2021 10:30AM

kaiserrussel wrote: »

Hi all

Wanted to get advice on the above - anyone use these, I think I may have asked before on this thread but haven't seem much questions on them.

https://robertkee.ie/product/lawnflite-hwtl-wheeled-trimmer?gclid=Cj0KCQiAyoeCBhCTARIsAOfpKxhsVlFXog9rEbroXSFznZkA0T5Sy7yUVoVb9VujXChAAqhfQ11yRYAaAkOFEALw_wcB

440 euro

https://www.agrieuro.com/decespugliatore-ruote-spinta-geotech-dg-58-motore-benzina-loncin-196-cc-falciatutto-p-13120.html

360 Euros

any feedback guys?

deezell · 09-03-2021 10:58AM

CodeJACK wrote: »

Thanks deezell.
The cutting desk on what I have right now is 18" and I thought it was too small. There does not seem to be a lot in 20". I thought a bigger deck might clear the clippings better and clog less???

OK, ill look for others that are lighter but I'd rather stick with Petrol while I still can. Noise and smell is part of the process that I like :-)

Am I wasting my time with a mulcher option do you think?

No, if you like mowing, you'll need to mow twice as often for proper mulch and dispersal of clippings, otherwise it clumps on the grass, comes indoors, causes moss so they say, etc. If its overdue. wet and heavy, you can bag that one. Are you sure your site is only 200-250 m2? Thats about 15m square, hardly 15 minutes work even with an 18", but get the 21"/53cm Toro, you can mow twice a week in minutes.

CodeJACK · 09-03-2021 11:25AM

Not exactly accurate but a ballpark. The front garden would be 15msq.

If I could get this but in Ireland I think it covers all my needs and way more:
https://www.agrieuro.co.uk/marina-systems-ma-46-sh-heavy-duty-lawn-mower-4-in-1-honda-gcvx170-engine-p-15984.html

deezell · 09-03-2021 01:32PM

CodeJACK wrote: »

Not exactly accurate but a ballpark. The front garden would be 15msq.

If I could get this but in Ireland I think it covers all my needs and way more:
https://www.agrieuro.co.uk/marina-systems-ma-46-sh-heavy-duty-lawn-mower-4-in-1-honda-gcvx170-engine-p-15984.html

Forget the stupid UK. Here it is, same price when Irish vat added. Free delivery.

https://www.agrieuro.de/rasenmaher-marina-systems-ma-46-sh-4-in-1-motor-honda-gcvx170-p-15984.html

CodeJACK · 09-03-2021 01:50PM

Yeah, i was only using the UK site for translation. I have a question over to them now about availability and any restrictions shipping here at the mo.

There is too much choice now with that site lol.
Stainless version of that mower with a slight spec change:
https://www.agrieuro.co.uk/marina-systems-mx-41-sh-gcv-160-stainless-steel-lawn-mower-with-honda-engine-160-cc-p-15618.html
EDIT: Ah, no mulcher and also out of stock :-(

Its a shame more Irish sites don't have a website system like AgriEuro. Of all the support the Gov could/should have offered business here, its the ability to present their stock online that should have been prioritized by the Gov. Oh well.

jetfiremuck · 09-03-2021 01:57PM

from my experience the more hp the better when comparing. The chonda clones can be hit or miss, though regular oil changes and deck washing pay dividends. Spend as much as you can up front you want to get as long as you can from them. The newer stuff isnt as durable in my opinion as the oldrt stuff.

jetfiremuck · 09-03-2021 02:00PM

jetfiremuck wrote: »

from my experience the more hp the better when comparing. The chonda clones can be hit or miss, though regular oil changes and deck washing pay dividends. Spend as much as you can up front you want to get as long as you can from them. The newer stuff isnt as durable in my opinion as the oldrt stuff.

I forgot to add get a self propelled ......wife or partner/kids can help

hillbloom · 09-03-2021 05:36PM

I was looking at a Solo Elko 17.5 Hp. 40" cut ride-on. Are they a good make. Any help would be appreciated.

deezell · 10-03-2021 12:45AM

hillbloom wrote: »

I was looking at a Solo Elko 17.5 Hp. 40" cut ride-on. Are they a good make. Any help would be appreciated.

Made by Al-Ko, a German brand also known for trailer and suspensions. Solo variants manufactured in Austria. Respected brand.

tombrown · 10-03-2021 08:23AM

A side benefit of lockdowns is having to trust myself to undertake what I would normally trust to a shop. Last year I had to replace the drive belt on my Castelgarden ride on, and, despite misgivings, it went smoothly.

So this year I decided to service the engine myself - fairly straightforward. As well as the normal, oil, plug & filters change I charged up the battery, and was delighted the mower started up almost immediately after 5 months of hibernation. I just let it run for 5 mins or so then turned it off again (haven't used it in anger yet)

Except, two days later it is struggling to start, as the motor struggles to turn over when I turn the key.

There is a workaround repair from years ago (done by a real mechanic), with a tap on the fuel line to get around a problem with the carburetor (I think). I had forgotten to close this. So I did the trick I had seen them do before - removed the plug & turned the engine over to flush out the excess - this worked fine & the engine turned over freely.

But putting the plug back in takes it back to struggling and not starting.

I am sure there is a simple fix here (that doesn't involve replacing major parts), if someone can advise?

Needles73 · 10-03-2021 08:51AM

tombrown wrote: »

A side benefit of lockdowns is having to trust myself to undertake what I would normally trust to a shop. Last year I had to replace the drive belt on my Castelgarden ride on, and, despite misgivings, it went smoothly.

So this year I decided to service the engine myself - fairly straightforward. As well as the normal, oil, plug & filters change I charged up the battery, and was delighted the mower started up almost immediately after 5 months of hibernation. I just let it run for 5 mins or so then turned it off again (haven't used it in anger yet)

Except, two days later it is struggling to start, as the motor struggles to turn over when I turn the key.

There is a workaround repair from years ago (done by a real mechanic), with a tap on the fuel line to get around a problem with the carburetor (I think). I had forgotten to close this. So I did the trick I had seen them do before - removed the plug & turned the engine over to flush out the excess - this worked fine & the engine turned over freely.

But putting the plug back in takes it back to struggling and not starting.

I am sure there is a simple fix here (that doesn't involve replacing major parts), if someone can advise?

Is the engine struggling to spin over or struggling to fire up. If struggling to spin the first point would be to charge up battery. It’s probably a sealed battery so would need a slow suitable charger. If it’s just spinning without firing up then it may be the carburetor which needs to be cleaned. Not sure if your mower has fuel cut off solenoid, but it could also be that. I’m assuming tapping carb was either to free up a sticky float or bad fuel cut off.
- sorry I read “tap” incorrectly as you are obviously referring to manual fuel valve”

tombrown · 10-03-2021 08:55AM

Needles73 wrote: »

Is the engine struggling to spin over or struggling to fire up. If struggling to spin the first point would be to charge up battery. It’s probably a sealed battery so would need a slow suitable charger. If it’s just spinning without firing up then it may be the carburetor which needs to be cleaned. Not sure if your mower has fuel cut off solenoid, but it could also be that. I’m assuming tapping carb was either to free up a sticky float or bad fuel cut off.

Thanks

Its struggling to spin.

It spun fine with the plug out, but when I put it back in it just turned slowly once or twice then stopped. the battery was fully charged (on a slow charger) before, when it started 2 days ago. I can charge it again, but would it really discharge to that extent after 5 mins of engine running & 2 days of no use?

Anyway, I'll take it out and put it back on the charger for a bit

deezell · 10-03-2021 09:01AM

Check rhe oil level, it may be too high and contaminated with petrol if it leeched from the carb into the cylinder because of your previous problem.
When you say struggling to start, do mean it's barely turning over?. Perhaps the battery is poor, it only started previously straight off the charger? Try charging again overnight. If you have some jump leads, try them.
If it is still turning over slowly, check the battery connections are tight, also the connection to the starter motor, rhe battery terminal to the mower chassis, and the connections to the starter switch ir solenoid. These thick cable connectors can be slighly loose or oxidised, and can give interrmittent high resistance at any connection, a real pain, turns fine one minute, slowly the next.
Did you add some fresh petrol? Not the best to start it on the dregs from last year, uf it wasn't drained over the winter, at least a few litres of new into the old.
If it is petrol in the oil, you'll have to drain completely and refill.

Needles73 · 10-03-2021 09:02AM

tombrown wrote: »

Thanks

Its struggling to spin.

It spun fine with the plug out, but when I put it back in it just turned slowly once or twice then stopped. the battery was fully charged (on a slow charger) before, when it started 2 days ago. I can charge it again, but would it really discharge to that extent after 5 mins of engine running & 2 days of no use?

Anyway, I'll take it out and put it back on the charger for a bit

If it was fully charged it should have held it you would imagine. How old is mower/battery?
I would re-charge battery and try again. If mower starts measure voltage at battery, it should be 13-14v which would indicate mower charging circuit is ok. It should be closer to 12 when mower off.
Also as other poster said check connections at starter and solenoid.
I’m not a big fan of jump starting mowers but I do it. If your battery voltage is very low and you jump start it and remove the leads it can apparently but too much strain on charging circuit. Having said that I have never had an issue.

tombrown · 10-03-2021 09:11AM

Pretty sure its not an oil problem - I only just changed the oil & the levels are good.

When I previously started it, it was from the battery, not the charger, so it was fine then.

I do have the hood off, with the lights disconnected - I doubt that could causer the battery to discharge, unless maybe some moisture in the open connector is shorting the connection

I'll try charge the battery and try again, keeping an eye on voltages. I think the battery is 4 or 5 years old, so maybe it needs replacing ...

tombrown · 10-03-2021 09:14AM

Also - note that, with the spark plug out, the engineer turns freely when I try it, so I think that would rule out poor connections, right? It just struggles to overcome the resistance when the plug is in

Oh - and to answer Needles question, the mower is about 15 years old, but runs like a dream (once started)

Needles73 · 10-03-2021 09:25AM

tombrown wrote: »

Also - note that, with the spark plug out, the engineer turns freely when I try it, so I think that would rule out poor connections, right? It just struggles to overcome the resistance when the plug is in

Oh - and to answer Needles question, the mower is about 15 years old, but runs like a dream (once started)

No, it wouldn’t fully rule out poor connections. With plugs out starter will draw less current as less load to overcome. Bad connections will be more prevalent when load is higher, ie overcoming compression part of stroke with plugs in situ

deezell · 10-03-2021 09:25AM

If the petrol can leak, hence cutoff valve, there is a possibility that a substantial amount ended up in the oil. This would make starting and turning over difficult, especially as petrol vapourises and creates back pressure, and also over enriches the mix via the venting. I had this problem with a generator, pull start but it was stiff to pull, then barely ran as if the choke was on. About a half litre of petrol in the oil, the generator had been pushed over partly on its side, the fuel tap open and fuel leaked into the cylinder.

Needles73 · 10-03-2021 09:26AM

tombrown wrote: »

Pretty sure its not an oil problem - I only just changed the oil & the levels are good.

When I previously started it, it was from the battery, not the charger, so it was fine then.

I do have the hood off, with the lights disconnected - I doubt that could causer the battery to discharge, unless maybe some moisture in the open connector is shorting the connection

I'll try charge the battery and try again, keeping an eye on voltages. I think the battery is 4 or 5 years old, so maybe it needs replacing ...

Is mower kept inside when not in use ?

tombrown · 10-03-2021 09:39AM

Needles73 wrote: »

Is mower kept inside when not in use ?

Yes, its in the garage.

TBH I have had this issue occasionally before, and jump started the mower. At the time just assumed it was poor battery, just wasn't convinced this time as battery was recently charged.

I'll charge up & check all connections.

I also heard jump starting was bad for it, though have done it a number of times over the years, so want to avoid that if I can

tombrown · 10-03-2021 11:49AM

Update - I just took the battery out & hooked it to the charger. It is showing half full- in fact even less than when it first hooked it up to charge after its winter hibernation.

I guess that will probably resolve the problem (fingers crossed), but I may now need to find out why it is draining ... hoping it was just the repeated attempts to start the engine that did it

Needles73 · 10-03-2021 12:32PM

tombrown wrote: »

Update - I just took the battery out & hooked it to the charger. It is showing half full- in fact even less than when it first hooked it up to charge after its winter hibernation.

I guess that will probably resolve the problem (fingers crossed), but I may now need to find out why it is draining ... hoping it was just the repeated attempts to start the engine that did it

Yeah, starting a mower takes a fair bit from a small battery and the charging circuits on typical mowers are marginal at times. A good run ideally cutting the grass is the job. Do check the voltage with battery in place and engine running. I’m assuming it’s a briggs engine. Just confirm you are getting a healthy charging voltage. The stator winding or voltage regulator can go faulty but it sounds like all your mower needs is tall grass and a sunny day.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 10-03-2021 12:41PM

I hooked a trickle charger to my mower last Wednesday morning and couldn't get it started on Saturday afternoon - I reckon there could have been some old fuel somewhere along the line even though I drained it before the winter and added fresh fuel. Stuck it on the charger again and tried Sunday but no joy. In the end I jump started it off the car and drove it around and let it run for a good 20-30 minutes. But even when jump starting it took a fair few goes, and it started with a puff of black smoke. Once it got going though it seemed to run fine, sounded fine and no smoke.

Stuck it back on the charger again afterwards, be interesting to see if It'll start easily next time.

tombrown · 10-03-2021 03:11PM

I normally take the battery out for the winter anyway, but leave it on a shelf in the shed - maybe I could put it somewhere a bit warmer
.

tombrown · 10-03-2021 03:11PM

Needles73 wrote: »

Yeah, starting a mower takes a fair bit from a small battery and the charging circuits on typical mowers are marginal at times. A good run ideally cutting the grass is the job. Do check the voltage with battery in place and engine running. I’m assuming it’s a briggs engine. Just confirm you are getting a healthy charging voltage. The stator winding or voltage regulator can go faulty but it sounds like all your mower needs is tall grass and a sunny day.

Thanks - any idea on how I can arrange for the "sunny day" part?

Needles73 · 10-03-2021 04:09PM

tombrown wrote: »

Thanks - any idea on how I can arrange for the "sunny day" part?

Afraid it would involve travel to a sunnier climate but even that’s not possible with Covid !!

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