Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

LeeroyJ. · 07-03-2021 05:13PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/everything-we-know-about-life-inside-irelands-quarantine-hotels-1092095.html

2000€+ for quarantine seems pretty excessive, I've paid less than half for 2 weeks in all inclusive resorts lmao.

Father Hernandez · 07-03-2021 05:22PM

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/everything-we-know-about-life-inside-irelands-quarantine-hotels-1092095.html

2000€+ for quarantine seems pretty excessive, I've paid less than half for 2 weeks in all inclusive resorts lmao.

Big question that I haven't see any info on is how long these countries will be on this list for.

Was there a sunset clause put in this legislation where it will no longer be a requirement for arrivals for these countries. Do countries just get added/removed overnight?

It's a little concerning that mainstream media haven't questioned if this will be an ongoing requirement for say 6, 12, 24 months down the line.

LeeroyJ. · 07-03-2021 05:32PM

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Big question that I haven't see any info on is how long these countries will be on this list for.

Was there a sunset clause put in this legislation where it will no longer be a requirement for arrivals for these countries. Do countries just get added/removed overnight?

It's a little concerning that mainstream media haven't questioned if this will be an ongoing requirement for say 6, 12, 24 months down the line.

In general this has been very concerning to me, there is very little information available on how long these emergency powers and regulations will last and what triggers a removal of them. March was extended to April May June or longer with very little information given. I find this very frightening.

BringBackMick · 07-03-2021 05:38PM

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Big question that I haven't see any info on is how long these countries will be on this list for.

Was there a sunset clause put in this legislation where it will no longer be a requirement for arrivals for these countries. Do countries just get added/removed overnight?

It's a little concerning that mainstream media haven't questioned if this will be an ongoing requirement for say 6, 12, 24 months down the line.

Yea for example Austria is on the list, which is just bizarre, they had an issue with a variant in Tyrol around a month ago but their case level has been comparable to Ireland.

Like what are the measures for picking once country out over another? It seems very arbitrary and picking on Austria is bonkers.

As regards the legislation, there is a sunset clause of 3 months, which i guess is from today as it has been signed by the President, so it will expire on 7 June unless it is renewed.

Yapamillias · 07-03-2021 05:52PM

Question for you lads. I have to head to Limerick to do a PCR randox test before I fly out from Dublin.

If I get the bus and get stopped can I just show them my booking for the test + flight details?

If my brother that lives with me can drive me there would that be an issue if I have the above information too?

agoodpunt · 07-03-2021 05:59PM

Yapamillias wrote: »

Question for you lads. I have to head to Limerick to do a PCR randox test before I fly out from Dublin.

If I get the bus and get stopped can I just show them my booking for the test + flight details?

If my brother that lives with me can drive me there would that be an issue if I have the above information too?

You can only travel if it is esential just book a dental appointment where ever your going
Hope you get out of this kip am gone later this week

Yapamillias · 07-03-2021 08:48PM

agoodpunt wrote: »

You can only travel if it is esential just book a dental appointment where ever your going
Hope you get out of this kip am gone later this week

I have a valid reason for travel so I am not worried at all. Ill post back on Fri/Sat with the airport experience.

Wallander · 08-03-2021 09:34AM

faceman wrote: »

Im not sure how solid that date is the OP quoted but here's a timeline. Seems the ban might be replaced with other strict measures

https://www.brusselstimes.com/belgium/158470/coronavirus-measures-consultative-committee-belgium-alexander-de-croo-schools-summer-hospitality-pers-conferentie-funerals-easter-holidays/

Hi I saw it on a live global Covid news blog on the Guardian, don't think there was a link to an entry. 1 April was also mentioned for lifting their ban - they have clearly had a lot of pressure from the EU on the basis that free travel was allowed within Belgium but not overseas. This could be significant if Ireland allows inter-country travel this summer but seeks to block foreign travel:

https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/158239/belgium-pm-de-croo-justifies-non-essential-travel-ban-letter-eu-european-commission-consultative-committee-april-testing-quarantine/

BringBackMick · 08-03-2021 10:18AM

I have a feeling Austria will be taken off this red list before Hotel quarantine comes into force.

No way this government are going to impose this on another EU nation without good reason.

IQO · 08-03-2021 10:26AM

BringBackMick wrote: »

I have a feeling Austria will be taken off this red list before Hotel quarantine comes into force.

No way this government are going to impose this on another EU nation without good reason.

And with no direct flights from any of the other Level 2 countries (except United Arab Emirates) the hotel quarantine is a farce. There is no need to pay 2k for a locked hotel room if you're connecting flights in any other EU country first. Just get separate tickets and a new negative RT-PCR test there and then walk into Ireland.

Which is also the way it should be I believe - now that everyone needs a negative PCR test when entering the country the number of positive cases being imported is close to negligible, and more a PR stunt from the Irish government.

xtradel · 08-03-2021 11:06AM

Myself and the Mrs are flying to Budapest this evening assuming all restrictions are lifted by 4pm. She hasn't even packed yet and she headed off to work as normal today.... I'm sure Ryanair will in touch with my refund if we don't go!

Plumbthedepths · 08-03-2021 11:10AM

xtradel wrote: »

Myself and the Mrs are flying to Budapest this evening assuming all restrictions are lifted by 4pm. She hasn't even packed yet and she headed off to work as normal today.... I'm sure Ryanair will in touch with my refund if we don't go!

If RA cancel the flight you'll get a refund, if you decide not to travel no refund.

08-03-2021 11:24AM

IQO wrote: »

And with no direct flights from any of the other Level 2 countries (except United Arab Emirates) the hotel quarantine is a farce. There is no need to pay 2k for a locked hotel room if you're connecting flights in any other EU country first. Just get separate tickets and a new negative RT-PCR test there and then walk into Ireland.

Which is also the way it should be I believe - now that everyone needs a negative PCR test when entering the country the number of positive cases being imported is close to negligible, and more a PR stunt from the Irish government.

Yes, even if you want to be completely honest, you can spend 14 days in an Airbnb in Spain before coming back. Nicer than 14 days in Citywest. From an Irish perspective if achieves the same thing, just more fun

There is no reason why any Irish resident should find themselves stuck in hotel quarantine in Ireland. It can be easily, and legally, avoided

dmcsweeney · 08-03-2021 11:31AM

IQO wrote: »

And with no direct flights from any of the other Level 2 countries (except United Arab Emirates) the hotel quarantine is a farce. There is no need to pay 2k for a locked hotel room if you're connecting flights in any other EU country first. Just get separate tickets and a new negative RT-PCR test there and then walk into Ireland.

Which is also the way it should be I believe - now that everyone needs a negative PCR test when entering the country the number of positive cases being imported is close to negligible, and more a PR stunt from the Irish government.

I would assume that a passengers recent travel history will pop up on the screen in passport control when they scan the passport? I would have thought that this is how they'd separate the quarantine passengers given that the passengers off every flight will most likely all be using the same arrivals hall?

MarkY91 · 08-03-2021 12:54PM

Guys is the dentist appointment excuse still an option?

I plan to visit Mexico in April and would legit like to avail of dental treatment there. It's of course not the reason for the journey, but would proof of my appointment be enough for the Garda at the checkpoint?

I'll be going regardless but it would be nice to have a "valid reason".

griffdaddy · 08-03-2021 01:01PM

Does anyone know if showing a negative PCR result from an app is sufficient on arrival into Dublin Airport? My friend is moving home from Germany and she wouldn't be able to show paperwork based on the timeframe but would have the result on her phone. Thanks, Griff

Tenzor07 · 08-03-2021 01:08PM

dmcsweeney wrote: »

I would assume that a passengers recent travel history will pop up on the screen in passport control when they scan the passport? I would have thought that this is how they'd separate the quarantine passengers given that the passengers off every flight will most likely all be using the same arrivals hall?

Nope! Identity is all that pops up, once it matches whats printed on the passport then off you go... They do know which flights are coming in and when, the fact that there's almost no flights arriving into Dublin with almost no passengers makes checking very easy...

Tenzor07 · 08-03-2021 01:09PM

xtradel wrote: »

Myself and the Mrs are flying to Budapest this evening assuming all restrictions are lifted by 4pm. She hasn't even packed yet and she headed off to work as normal today.... I'm sure Ryanair will in touch with my refund if we don't go!

I presume you're both Hungarian citizens?

Why would you get a refund?

delricyo · 08-03-2021 01:10PM

dmcsweeney wrote: »

I would assume that a passengers recent travel history will pop up on the screen in passport control when they scan the passport? I would have thought that this is how they'd separate the quarantine passengers given that the passengers off every flight will most likely all be using the same arrivals hall?

I dont know if that amount of information is available to Irish passport control? Especially within the EU when passports are not usually scanned. So, if you went from South Africa to Dubai on one ticket, and from Dubai to Dublin on another ticket, why would Dublin be made aware of the SA leg of the flight. In flying and customs terms, they are 2 completely separate journeys

Tenzor07 · 08-03-2021 01:10PM

MarkY91 wrote: »

Guys is the dentist appointment excuse still an option?
I plan to visit Mexico in April and would legit like to avail of dental treatment there. It's of course not the reason for the journey, but would proof of my appointment be enough for the Garda at the checkpoint?
I'll be going regardless but it would be nice to have a "valid reason".

You could have stayed in Columbia from when you were there last month? Easier than coming back here and going back down to S. America?

MarkY91 · 08-03-2021 01:28PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

You could have stayed in Columbia from when you were there last month? Easier than coming back here and going back down to S. America?

Yeah I regret coming back tbh

xtradel · 08-03-2021 01:30PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I presume you're both Hungarian citizens?

Why would you get a refund?

My post obviously didn't appear as sarcastic as I thought

a clanger · 08-03-2021 01:33PM

griffdaddy wrote: »

Does anyone know if showing a negative PCR result from an app is sufficient on arrival into Dublin Airport? My friend is moving home from Germany and she wouldn't be able to show paperwork based on the timeframe but would have the result on her phone. Thanks, Griff

Travelled from Germany last week PCR test on phone is accepted ...and don't forget to fill in the Covid locator form online as well HERE

The delay through Passport control was about an hour with most people taking 2-3 mins to clear ...try get a seat near the front of the plane and get off first !:o

Tenzor07 · 08-03-2021 01:33PM

xtradel wrote: »

My post obviously didn't appear as sarcastic as I thought

One thing that text just can't convey!

griffdaddy · 08-03-2021 02:33PM

a clanger wrote: »

Travelled from Germany last week PCR test on phone is accepted ...and don't forget to fill in the Covid locator form online as well HERE

The delay through Passport control was about an hour with most people taking 2-3 mins to clear ...try get a seat near the front of the plane and get off first !:o

That's perfect, thanks for info!

SusanC10 · 08-03-2021 03:26PM

Realistically, when will non-essential travel be permitted again (no fines) within the EU ?
2022 ?

DubLad69 · 08-03-2021 03:26PM

MarkY91 wrote: »

Guys is the dentist appointment excuse still an option?

I plan to visit Mexico in April and would legit like to avail of dental treatment there. It's of course not the reason for the journey, but would proof of my appointment be enough for the Garda at the checkpoint?

I'll be going regardless but it would be nice to have a "valid reason".

I'm due to travel to Mexico at end of June and have dental appointments booked. Obviously not my main reason either.

As long as the fine doesn't increase from €500 I'll be travelling anyway. It'd be great if you could let us know how it works out for you.

josip · 08-03-2021 03:32PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Realistically, when will non-essential travel be permitted again (no fines) within the EU ?
2022 ?

Many EU countries at the moment allow fine-free non-essential travel with a negative PCR test.
Or do you only mean travel from Ireland?
In which case my guess would be early May, but maybe not every EU country.

a clanger · 08-03-2021 03:41PM

josip wrote: »

Many EU countries at the moment allow fine-free non-essential travel with a negative PCR test.
Or do you only mean travel from Ireland?
In which case my guess would be early May, but maybe not every EU country.

This is the big question. I have no problem if another country says no you cannot enter on non-essential travel but that is very different from 'no you cannot leave and or will be fined' It depends how much faith you put in the govt here. They already seem to be suggesting that there will be no foreign travel for Paddy in Summer 2021, regardless of what is happening in Europe. This will be highly unpopular if a combination of vaccination and lockdown result in a very low covid rate that would have enabled travel under the traffic light system.

08-03-2021 03:59PM

a clanger wrote: »

This is the big question. I have no problem if another country says no you cannot enter on non-essential travel but that is very different from 'no you cannot leave and or will be fined' It depends how much faith you put in the govt here. They already seem to be suggesting that there will be no foreign travel for Paddy in Summer 2021, regardless of what is happening in Europe. This will be highly unpopular if a combination of vaccination and lockdown result in a very low covid rate that would have enabled travel under the traffic light system.

I would think that if we maintain a travel ban and €2k fine while the rest of Europe moves around freely, Ryanair or maybe the EU will challenge the constitutionality of it. The health emergency justification would no longer stand if our numbers are low, Europe numbers are at the levels of last summer, and the rest of Europe and the UK is freeing up.

If the health emergency cannot be justified, would the travel controls not be in breach of EU rules? I’d be surprised if there is no meaningful challenge to it

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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