WandaVision - Disney+ (Spoilers)

klose · 07-03-2021 12:34PM

Coybig_ wrote: »

Watched episode 4 and 5 and a slight improvement if only because there is some semblance of a plot. I feel like a lot of the information delivered in episode 4 could have been weaved into episode 2 and Episode 3 and the show would have been better for it.

I initially didnt even recognise who Monica was, which I guess is telling of just how forgettable and poor Captain Marvel was as a movie.

I am over half way in and it really feels like they stretched 2 or 3 episodes of content into 5. When you compare this to Daredevil as a series, bar a few episodes of DD season 2, the gap in quality is almost unquantifiable.

I was particularly annoyed about the scene after the snap, because we saw so little of it! Yet again Marvel afraid to deal with what should be the real fallout of the snap, and the complicated ramifications of it. Too quickly brushed aside in Far from Home and now this.

I dont know am I in the minority and I'm delighted if people liked it, but just falling very flat for me thus far. Hopefully the final 4 episodes can improve.

Monica is a littl girl in captain marvel so you wouldn't recognise her as they're literally different actresses.

Coybig_ · 07-03-2021 12:36PM

klose wrote: »

Monica is a littl girl in captain marvel so you wouldn't recognise her as they're literally different actresses.

I know, I meant as a character.

Zardoz · 07-03-2021 01:38PM

Coybig_ wrote: »

Watched episode 4 and 5 and a slight improvement if only because there is some semblance of a plot. I feel like a lot of the information delivered in episode 4 could have been weaved into episode 2 and Episode 3 and the show would have been better for it.

I initially didnt even recognise who Monica was, which I guess is telling of just how forgettable and poor Captain Marvel was as a movie.

I am over half way in and it really feels like they stretched 2 or 3 episodes of content into 5. When you compare this to Daredevil as a series, bar a few episodes of DD season 2, the gap in quality is almost unquantifiable.

I was particularly annoyed about the scene after the snap, because we saw so little of it! Yet again Marvel afraid to deal with what should be the real fallout of the snap, and the complicated ramifications of it. Too quickly brushed aside in Far from Home and now this.

I dont know am I in the minority and I'm delighted if people liked it, but just falling very flat for me thus far. Hopefully the final 4 episodes can improve.

Your opinion is very similar to my own.

I previously said

The first 3 episodes aped every sitcom cliche, but had genuine fun with almost none of them, and weren't in any way funny.
It was genre-surfing as a sort of filler, a sketch that lasts half an hour but without any laughs, just to get to the few hints in each episode as to what really is going on.

The first 3 episodes were sitcom filler.
You could easily have scrapped 1 of those and still had the same emotional impact.

I don't think much of the show if I'm honest.
The sitcom element is forced, tedious and not funny.
You could nearly fast forward through those parts, its just padding and a distraction.

Olsen and Bettanys acting is good and convincing but the supporting characters outside the town like Darcy, Monica, and Jimmy Woo are one dimensional.
They act like they are teenage sleuths solving a mystery.
Their dialogue is so corny and cliched, it constantly undermines any dramatic tension.
Every one of them is doing a bad impression of Robert Downey Jr. doing quips as Tony Stark.
Their acting is pretty woeful too.

The series is like a twin episode of the Twilight Zone or the Outer Limits dragged out to 3 hours plus.

Foxtrol · 07-03-2021 05:21PM

Coybig_ wrote: »

Watched episode 4 and 5 and a slight improvement if only because there is some semblance of a plot. I feel like a lot of the information delivered in episode 4 could have been weaved into episode 2 and Episode 3 and the show would have been better for it.

I initially didnt even recognise who Monica was, which I guess is telling of just how forgettable and poor Captain Marvel was as a movie.

I am over half way in and it really feels like they stretched 2 or 3 episodes of content into 5. When you compare this to Daredevil as a series, bar a few episodes of DD season 2, the gap in quality is almost unquantifiable.

I was particularly annoyed about the scene after the snap, because we saw so little of it! Yet again Marvel afraid to deal with what should be the real fallout of the snap, and the complicated ramifications of it. Too quickly brushed aside in Far from Home and now this.

I dont know am I in the minority and I'm delighted if people liked it, but just falling very flat for me thus far. Hopefully the final 4 episodes can improve.

This will probably the new normal of this thread, living through the same cycle of people watching the show.

The fact you're trying to compare this to DD points to your preference/taste in what you're looking for, not the 'quality' of the show as you mention in this post and when you claim it has 'very little actual substance' in your earlier one. I'm a broken record at this point but you can not like something without making up claims of vague flaws.

I enjoyed DD but it never came close to the depth and emotional connection that WV did for me - that doesn't mean DD is deeply flawed in some vague impossible to pinpoint way.

The Inbetween is mine · 07-03-2021 05:28PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

This will probably the new normal of this thread, living through the same cycle of people watching the show.

The fact you're trying to compare this to DD points to your preference/taste in what you're looking for, not the 'quality' of the show as you mention in this post and when you claim it has 'very little actual substance' in your earlier one. I'm a broken record at this point but you can not like something without making up claims of vague flaws.

I enjoyed DD but it never came close to the depth and emotional connection that WV did for me - that doesn't mean DD is deeply flawed in some vague impossible to pinpoint way.

You're just having a laugh at this point.... emotional connection with WV...it was totally devoid of real emotion...
you knew the kids weren't real, you knew vision wasn't real...it was a pity party for 1 ..
It was enjoyable at times...
it left you wanting more, it set up a larger storyline to come with the MCU...but it did not engender any emotional connection whatsoever imo

Foxtrol · 07-03-2021 05:31PM

kerplun k wrote: »

Funny how WandaVision has really set the expectations for FatWS & Loki. There’ll be zero appetite to go into any sort of in depth post mortem of the weekly episodes now.

For me it’s clear the TV shows won’t have any major implications for the movies. There’ll probably be a soft lead in to the movies, but I won’t think any of these shows will be essential viewing for the films.

Not sure how you can claim there was no major implications for the movies, this show probably had more obvious implications than most of the movies have (Spoilering so I don't ruin a bunch of big items in one go):

- Introduction of White Vision
- Introduction of SWORD
- Super charging Wanda's powers
- Re-introducing and Superpowering Monica
- Introduction of Wanda's kids (which is implied that we'll see again)
- Introduction to Agatha (who I'd say we'll see again given the response)

That is a massive amount of key things that will be touched on later, without how it looks to be shaping up that Wanda's role will be massive in Phase 4 and without watching the show you'd struggle with her shifted motivations.

klose wrote: »

On that topic, I wonder will there some sort of recap or flashback sequence to fill in cinema goers who have not viewed any of the disney plus series as to why characters such as Wanda have developed?

Doubt it, it'll be like if you missed an MCU movie. Like all of the movies they'll drop one liners of explanation or maybe an odd flashback to help fill in some gaps but in general it is more 'tough' if you haven't seen it.

PhiloCypher · 07-03-2021 05:48PM

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

You're just having a laugh at this point.... emotional connection with WV...it was totally devoid of real emotion...
you knew the kids weren't real, you knew vision wasn't real...it was a pity party for 1 ..
It was enjoyable at times...
it left you wanting more, it set up a larger storyline to come with the MCU...but it did not engender any emotional connection whatsoever imo

We're meant to feel sad and emotionally connected to Wanda, not the kids, they were real to her, that's all that matters. Looks some people just have more natural empathy then others, they make emotional connections others don't. You obviously can't make those leaps and that's fine.

The Inbetween is mine · 07-03-2021 05:51PM

PhiloCypher wrote: »

We're meant to feel sad and emotionally connected to Wanda, not the kids, they were real to her, that's all that matters. Looks some people just have more natural empathy then others, they make emotional connections others don't. You obviously can't make those leaps and that's fine.

Emotional connection? ..nope I'm afraid not...the writing wasn't good enough to even make that an actual option
Bambi it ain't..

Ave Sodalis · 07-03-2021 05:57PM

The Inbetween is mine wrote:

You're just having a laugh at this point.... emotional connection with WV...it was totally devoid of real emotion... you knew the kids weren't real, you knew vision wasn't real...it was a pity party for 1 .. It was enjoyable at times... it left you wanting more, it set up a larger storyline to come with the MCU...but it did not engender any emotional connection whatsoever imo

With respect, I disagree. I shed a tear or two during that last episode. It's fine not to connect with something but it's broad generalisations like these that are hard to take seriously.

Penn · 07-03-2021 05:58PM

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

You're just having a laugh at this point.... emotional connection with WV...it was totally devoid of real emotion...
you knew the kids weren't real, you knew vision wasn't real...it was a pity party for 1 ..
It was enjoyable at times...
it left you wanting more, it set up a larger storyline to come with the MCU...but it did not engender any emotional connection whatsoever imo

I disagree. It wasn't about Vision or the kids being real or not, it was about Wanda wanting them to be real. It was about her extreme struggles with grief that by running from it and creating her perfect world, it was doing more damage to her and everyone around her.

The residents of Westview are like the representation of her grief; they looked happy on the surface but were being tortured and poisoned by her grief underneath. By not dealing with her grief she was inflicting that pain on others.

I think Wanda's struggle to maintain that control and ultimately learn that she had to let that go and learn to deal and cope with it herself was very emotional, and greatly bolstered by Olsen & Bettany's brilliant performances. Far more than some of the Netflix stuff (especially Luke Cage & Iron Fist).

FunLover18 · 07-03-2021 05:59PM

I enjoyed this

and I say that as someone who's definitely guilty of letting online speculation affect my expectations

‘WandaVision’ Failed to Deliver Things That Were Never Promised to Me

https://collider.com/wandavision-problems-cameos-teasers/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Foxtrol · 07-03-2021 06:06PM

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

You're just having a laugh at this point.... emotional connection with WV...it was totally devoid of real emotion...
you knew the kids weren't real, you knew vision wasn't real...it was a pity party for 1 ..
It was enjoyable at times...
it left you wanting more, it set up a larger storyline to come with the MCU...but it did not engender any emotional connection whatsoever imo

Wanda's anguish definitely resonated with me at times, alongside the counterbalance of a level of revulsion as we learned what the residents of Westview were going through.

Now I'm not saying it was to some historic, epic work of art but I didn't say that in the post you quoted. What I said was I connected with it more than DD - which had some great action scenes but I never made me feel any emotions towards the characters.

Not sure if you haven't experience grief before or can't relate to it but seeing as you're still 'liking' posts that call the first episodes filler then I'm not surprised you didn't build connection with the show at all, you wanted explosions not character/world building - the show clearly wasn't for you.

The White Wolf · 07-03-2021 06:09PM

FunLover18 wrote: »

I enjoyed this and I say that as someone who's definitely guilty of letting online speculation affect my expectations

https://collider.com/wandavision-problems-cameos-teasers/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Collider are amongst the scummiest shills out there so an article written from sarcasm seems about the height of their artistry.

Foxtrol · 07-03-2021 06:22PM

FunLover18 wrote: »

I enjoyed this and I say that as someone who's definitely guilty of letting online speculation affect my expectations

https://collider.com/wandavision-problems-cameos-teasers/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

That is such a great article and really shows what is wrong with those kind of complaints. Not to open another hornets nest but those type of reactions where very similar to The Last Jedi, when many fans were so annoyed that Johnson basically made every fan theory redundant (I know there are other complaints too).

Coybig_ wrote: »

Watched episode 4 and 5 and a slight improvement if only because there is some semblance of a plot. I feel like a lot of the information delivered in episode 4 could have been weaved into episode 2 and Episode 3 and the show would have been better for it.

I initially didnt even recognise who Monica was, which I guess is telling of just how forgettable and poor Captain Marvel was as a movie.

I am over half way in and it really feels like they stretched 2 or 3 episodes of content into 5. When you compare this to Daredevil as a series, bar a few episodes of DD season 2, the gap in quality is almost unquantifiable.

I was particularly annoyed about the scene after the snap, because we saw so little of it! Yet again Marvel afraid to deal with what should be the real fallout of the snap, and the complicated ramifications of it. Too quickly brushed aside in Far from Home and now this.

I dont know am I in the minority and I'm delighted if people liked it, but just falling very flat for me thus far. Hopefully the final 4 episodes can improve.

The article made me think back to this bit of an earlier post that I didn't touch on.

The poster here is complaining about Marvel being 'afraid' to deal with the real fallout from the snap, yet is consistently complaining about the episodes of character development focusing on how a single character is responding to her trauma related to that same incident. The whole season is about it, I don't know how that is 'brushing over it'.

Also, given the history of the MCU, I'd be shocked if it isn't touched on. Some have no patience at all

Sakana · 07-03-2021 06:23PM

Which are the best Marvel shows of the recent era? Having not seen all of AoS, my top three would have to be Jessica Jones (but only season 1), Agent Carter and Daredevil, with WandaVision tied for third place.

The Inbetween is mine · 07-03-2021 06:24PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Wanda's anguish definitely resonated with me at times, alongside the counterbalance of a level of revulsion as we learned what the residents of Westview were going through.

Now I'm not saying it was to some historic, epic work of art but I didn't say that in the post you quoted. What I said was I connected with it more than DD - which had some great action scenes but I never made me feel any emotions towards the characters.

Not sure if you haven't experience grief before or can't relate to it but seeing as you're still 'liking' posts that call the first episodes filler then I'm not surprised you didn't build connection with the show at all, you wanted explosions not character/world building - the show clearly wasn't for you.

Unfortunately, DD had real characters...with real human emotions, flaws and hopes....to try to compare WV to this in any way on an emotional level is erroneous in the extreme
WV was enjoyable... but that was all ..it could have been so much, much more..the first 3 episodes, regardless of what you say were nothing more than an aside...an in-joke that went on too long
There was so much scope to bring Photon into this...and yet she was..in the background until the very last episode... surprising as she's going to be front and present in the new Captain Marvel movie....
If there is to be a second season, then it has to be a little more cohesive...but it's just my opinion,

beakerjoe · 07-03-2021 06:31PM

Sakana wrote: »

Which are the best Marvel shows of the recent era? Having not seen all of AoS, my top three would have to be Jessica Jones (but only season 1), Agent Carter and Daredevil, with WandaVision tied for third place.

Daredevil and Punisher were very enjoyable. Sad they wont be followed up on.

The Inbetween is mine · 07-03-2021 06:36PM

beakerjoe wrote: »

Daredevil and Punisher were very enjoyable. Sad they wont be followed up on.

The rights reverted back to Disney and they can now be revisited... Daredevil will be getting a reboot...Punisher & JJ possibly

Coybig_ · 07-03-2021 06:37PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

This will probably the new normal of this thread, living through the same cycle of people watching the show.

The fact you're trying to compare this to DD points to your preference/taste in what you're looking for, not the 'quality' of the show as you mention in this post and when you claim it has 'very little actual substance' in your earlier one. I'm a broken record at this point but you can not like something without making up claims of vague flaws.

I enjoyed DD but it never came close to the depth and emotional connection that WV did for me - that doesn't mean DD is deeply flawed in some vague impossible to pinpoint way.

It was very, very poor. Just because I liked Daredevil doesn't mean I am incapable of liking something with a different tone - that is an absurd, childish argument, but an ironic one from somebody accusing me of being vague. Well have some specifics.

Right on episodes 1-3.

Very little substance -in the episodes I referred to, what actually happened? A deluded Wanda interacted with a fake Vision, fake kids and townspeople under a spell. Which of that had any substance?
We established early on that Wanda was living some sort of lie, this was evident in episode 1. The show spends the next few episodes reiterating that she is living a lie. Thanks show!
Depth? You must be joking. It's about as deep as the shallow end of a kids pool.
This could easily have been done in one or two episodes and I even provided you with an example of another show which attempted the same technique with far greater nuance and expertise.

Then:

The show spends the next few episodes with the outsiders figuring out what is going on inside Westview. You could have left out Darcy and Woo and the plot wouldn't have been impacted in any way. Added literally nothing to the story and wasted screentime on them. Darcy in particular gets a Deus Ex Machina 5 second scene in the finale and shes gone.
Wanda mentally enslaves and tortures a whole town for days/weeks. That is horrific, nothing justifies this. Yet the show tries to redeem her at the end by having the most laughable, cardboard cutout character, Monica, say 'they will never know what you did/gave up for them'. That is one of the most embarassing lines of dialogue in any superhero movie I've ever watched. Like that makes it ok?! And not 2 episodes before Monica was telling her that this was wrong but then finale she tells Wanda she would have done it too? It's like Marvel were scared of actually taking a risk and making Wanda a real villain (which her actions made her), and instead tried to justify those actions. Atrocious.
And then she apologises to Monica!?! What about the townspeople right behind her!
Monica is hysterical at Sword head for absolutely no reason - why on earth is he being painted as bad for not wanting to negotiate with someone who has enslaved an entire town. Especially when we as viewers know just how much pain those townfolk are in! She basically tells the audience (on behalf of the writers), don't be mad at Wanda, without having any information to go off as a character.
At the end of episode 7 Agnes does this cringeworthy 4th wall break where she claims to be responsible for everything? For what exactly - it's all Wanda? Agnes making yerman cut into a wall is hardly evil is it?
The transformation of the Sword head from reasonable guy to maniacle despot was horrifically done - In the space of like 2 episodes he goes from normal to a mustache twirling villain basically screaming his evil plans out to Woo. Why does he shoot the kids, it's literally a terrible excuse to display Monica's powers.
And even acknowledging all that - I'm not sure he even does anything wrong! He tries to stop a dangerous criminal, I'm sure he had authorisation to bring Vision back to life, and a government controlled Vision would certainly be of use against the next Thanos, and those boys he shoots he knows can't be real.
The Sword parts in general could have been clipped from Agents of Shield, so utterly bland.
The Evan Peters thing was just a slap in the face to viewers. They knew it would have people speculate and whip the fans into a frenzy.
It descends into this horrific CGI-borefest with this barely developed villain fighting Wanda.
She leaves Agnes/Agatha trapped in her own mind around the town, a town where the population knows shes a witch - recipe for disaster surely! And more than that, shes comfortable deciding on Agathas punishment, yet what Wanda did was leagues worse and she gets 0 punishment?
Speaking of Agatha, her motivation was 'more power'? Wow!
2 Visions hitting each other has to be the most mundane, boring finale fight yet.

It was, in my opinion, a very poor show which people are willing to look more favourably towards because it shows a Marvel logo in the opening munites of each episode.

pixelburp · 07-03-2021 06:44PM

Had decided I wouldn't watch this til it finished the run, binge it for once in my life (as something I almost never do). Dunno why just felt given the outlandish nature of the setting, that it might be a show better appreciated as a whole instead of Episode to episode.

So with that in mind ... I watched the first three episodes in a sitting (aka, minding the kid lol)

Oof.

Look. I enjoy a slow burn I really do, and I really have to applaud the commitment to two period authentic sitcom approaches, but those ~90 minutes felt nearly interminable. A cute idea that stretched what felt like a First Act past tolerance. To be fair, I never liked those sitcoms like I Dream of Genie, or Brady Bunch and whatnot, so the pastiches did nothing for me; the longer they went on only making my patience twitch. I grew up with British sitcoms of the 70s so maybe a version of this lampooning Faulty Towers would have sat better lol.

I will keep going and now that we're at that point where our Leads know Something Isn't Right, I hope things ramp up but ye gods getting there was .. well. It felt like Marvel's most self indulgent work to date. I don't want to call it atrocious but I can't say I enjoyed this. So far.

pah · 07-03-2021 08:22PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Had decided I wouldn't watch this til it finished the run, binge it for once in my life (as something I almost never do). Dunno why just felt given the outlandish nature of the setting, that it might be a show better appreciated as a whole instead of Episode to episode.

So with that in mind ... I watched the first three episodes in a sitting (aka, minding the kid lol)

Oof.

Look. I enjoy a slow burn I really do, and I really have to applaud the commitment to two period authentic sitcom approaches, but those ~90 minutes felt nearly interminable. A cute idea that stretched what felt like a First Act past tolerance. To be fair, I never liked those sitcoms like I Dream of Genie, or Brady Bunch and whatnot, so the pastiches did nothing for me; the longer they went on only making my patience twitch. I grew up with British sitcoms of the 70s so maybe a version of this lampooning Faulty Towers would have sat better lol.

I will keep going and now that we're at that point where our Leads know Something Isn't Right, I hope things ramp up but ye gods getting there was .. well. It felt like Marvel's most self indulgent work to date. I don't want to call it atrocious but I can't say I enjoyed this. So far.

Interesting. I loved I dream of genie, bewitched etc as a kid watching Saturday morning re runs. I enjoyed the first 3 episodes ov WV as much as the rest of the season.

07-03-2021 08:30PM

Coybig_ wrote: »

It was very, very poor. Just because I liked Daredevil doesn't mean I am incapable of liking something with a different tone - that is an absurd, childish argument, but an ironic one from somebody accusing me of being vague. Well have some specifics.

Right on episodes 1-3.
Very little substance -in the episodes I referred to, what actually happened? A deluded Wanda interacted with a fake Vision, fake kids and townspeople under a spell. Which of that had any substance?

We established early on that Wanda was living some sort of lie, this was evident in episode 1. The show spends the next few episodes reiterating that she is living a lie. Thanks show!

Depth? You must be joking. It's about as deep as the shallow end of a kids pool.

This could easily have been done in one or two episodes and I even provided you with an example of another show which attempted the same technique with far greater nuance and expertise.

Then:
The show spends the next few episodes with the outsiders figuring out what is going on inside Westview. You could have left out Darcy and Woo and the plot wouldn't have been impacted in any way. Added literally nothing to the story and wasted screentime on them. Darcy in particular gets a Deus Ex Machina 5 second scene in the finale and shes gone.

Wanda mentally enslaves and tortures a whole town for days/weeks. That is horrific, nothing justifies this. Yet the show tries to redeem her at the end by having the most laughable, cardboard cutout character, Monica, say 'they will never know what you did/gave up for them'. That is one of the most embarassing lines of dialogue in any superhero movie I've ever watched. Like that makes it ok?! And not 2 episodes before Monica was telling her that this was wrong but then finale she tells Wanda she would have done it too? It's like Marvel were scared of actually taking a risk and making Wanda a real villain (which her actions made her), and instead tried to justify those actions. Atrocious.

And then she apologises to Monica!?! What about the townspeople right behind her!

Monica is hysterical at Sword head for absolutely no reason - why on earth is he being painted as bad for not wanting to negotiate with someone who has enslaved an entire town. Especially when we as viewers know just how much pain those townfolk are in! She basically tells the audience (on behalf of the writers), don't be mad at Wanda, without having any information to go off as a character.

At the end of episode 7 Agnes does this cringeworthy 4th wall break where she claims to be responsible for everything? For what exactly - it's all Wanda? Agnes making yerman cut into a wall is hardly evil is it?

The transformation of the Sword head from reasonable guy to maniacle despot was horrifically done - In the space of like 2 episodes he goes from normal to a mustache twirling villain basically screaming his evil plans out to Woo. Why does he shoot the kids, it's literally a terrible excuse to display Monica's powers.

And even acknowledging all that - I'm not sure he even does anything wrong! He tries to stop a dangerous criminal, I'm sure he had authorisation to bring Vision back to life, and a government controlled Vision would certainly be of use against the next Thanos, and those boys he shoots he knows can't be real.

The Sword parts in general could have been clipped from Agents of Shield, so utterly bland.

The Evan Peters thing was just a slap in the face to viewers. They knew it would have people speculate and whip the fans into a frenzy.

It descends into this horrific CGI-borefest with this barely developed villain fighting Wanda.

She leaves Agnes/Agatha trapped in her own mind around the town, a town where the population knows shes a witch - recipe for disaster surely! And more than that, shes comfortable deciding on Agathas punishment, yet what Wanda did was leagues worse and she gets 0 punishment?

Speaking of Agatha, her motivation was 'more power'? Wow!

2 Visions hitting each other has to be the most mundane, boring finale fight yet.

It was, in my opinion, a very poor show which people are willing to look more favourably towards because it shows a Marvel logo in the opening munites of each episode.

I'm not a huge marvel fan but I loved this.

I think it's mad that you can be so angry that you didn't like a show.

pixelburp · 07-03-2021 08:35PM

pah wrote: »

Interesting. I loved I dream of genie, bewitched etc as a kid watching Saturday morning re runs. I enjoyed the first 3 episodes ov WV as much as the rest of the season.

That's fair enough and I totally appreciated the craft and attention that went into the recreations ... but it quickly got old and I wanted the story to move on. I was like, ok. I get it guys can we move on from the canned laughter... Oh no, ok. there's another whole episode in Pleasantville (10 points for anyone who remembers THAT film!). I rarely lose patience with a show to the degree those opening 3 episodes tested it. Looks like the story is getting started finally, so I'm still in.

silverharp · 07-03-2021 08:44PM

2 more to go, like the idea behind the show, could be a horror film in a different context. The Darcy character is annoying and a little grating though.

07-03-2021 08:45PM

pixelburp wrote: »

That's fair enough and I totally appreciated the craft and attention that went into the recreations ... but it quickly got old and I wanted the story to move on. I was like, ok. I get it guys can we move on from the canned laughter... Oh no, ok. there's another whole episode in Pleasantville (10 points for anyone who remembers THAT film!). I rarely lose patience with a show to the degree those opening 3 episodes tested it. Looks like the story is getting started finally, so I'm still in.

That's why I think the weekly episodes worked better than binge watching. Twenty odd minutes of story progression that you can mull over for a week and is paid off in the near future is better than just waiting for the story to "kick in" in my opinion.

pixelburp · 07-03-2021 08:50PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's why I think the weekly episodes worked better than binge watching. Twenty odd minutes of story progression that you can mull over for a week and is paid off in the near future is better than just waiting for the story to "kick in" in my opinion.

Honestly if this was week to week I think I'd have bailed earlier. Full disclosure I had heard it was after episode 3 the actual story took off so I endured the three with that knowledge. In fact I daresay were this aired in an era before streaming, methinks the gimmick would have been outed much sooner - maybe even after the first episode. No studio would have left things spin so idly without giving something to gadfly viewers.

07-03-2021 08:51PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Honestly if this was week to week I think I'd have bailed earlier. Full disclosure I had heard it was after episode 3 the actual story took off so I endured the three with that knowledge. In fact I daresay were this aired in an era before streaming, methinks the gimmick would have been outed much sooner - maybe even after the first episode. No studio would have left things spin so idly without giving something to gadfly viewers.

Fair dues.

I really enjoyed it.

I'm someone who has never picked up a comic book and had a middling interest in the MCU up until infinity war/endgame

Kermit.de.frog · 07-03-2021 08:53PM

silverharp wrote: »

2 more to go, like the idea behind the show, could be a horror film in a different context. The Darcy character is annoying and a little grating though.

True. When she first appeared within minutes I was asking myself was I going to see it through.

Each to their own but for me that type of goofy know all character is just not funny or cute or interesting. Just annoying in a fingernails on blackboard type of way.

Also agree with sentiment above, remove the Marvel logo, the novel and creative start with sitcom setup, and some fan service and this was really a load of tripe.

C+ for me.

kerplun k · 07-03-2021 09:08PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Not sure how you can claim there was no major implications for the movies, this show probably had more obvious implications than most of the movies have (Spoilering so I don't ruin a bunch of big items in one go):
- Introduction of White Vision
- Introduction of SWORD
- Super charging Wanda's powers
- Re-introducing and Superpowering Monica
- Introduction of Wanda's kids (which is implied that we'll see again)
- Introduction to Agatha (who I'd say we'll see again given the response)

That is a massive amount of key things that will be touched on later, without how it looks to be shaping up that Wanda's role will be massive in Phase 4 and without watching the show you'd struggle with her shifted motivations.

Doubt it, it'll be like if you missed an MCU movie. Like all of the movies they'll drop one liners of explanation or maybe an odd flashback to help fill in some gaps but in general it is more 'tough' if you haven't seen it.

I’d still argue that most of these things are only a soft lead ins and will not be essential viewing when watching the movies. We had nothing of the scale that was hinted at throughout the run.

This is something Feige has actually confirmed.

https://www.list.co.uk/article/124024-kevin-feige-marvel-fans-dont-need-to-watch-wandavision-to-understand-movies/

If the characters in WandaVision do pop up in other stuff, the origins will be touched upon and sure D+ is there if the fans want to go and learn more about those characters, and I think those characters will also be mainly centric to future D+ shows.

kerplun k · 07-03-2021 09:21PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Had decided I wouldn't watch this til it finished the run, binge it for once in my life (as something I almost never do). Dunno why just felt given the outlandish nature of the setting, that it might be a show better appreciated as a whole instead of Episode to episode.

So with that in mind ... I watched the first three episodes in a sitting (aka, minding the kid lol)

Oof.

Look. I enjoy a slow burn I really do, and I really have to applaud the commitment to two period authentic sitcom approaches, but those ~90 minutes felt nearly interminable. A cute idea that stretched what felt like a First Act past tolerance. To be fair, I never liked those sitcoms like I Dream of Genie, or Brady Bunch and whatnot, so the pastiches did nothing for me; the longer they went on only making my patience twitch. I grew up with British sitcoms of the 70s so maybe a version of this lampooning Faulty Towers would have sat better lol.

I will keep going and now that we're at that point where our Leads know Something Isn't Right, I hope things ramp up but ye gods getting there was .. well. It felt like Marvel's most self indulgent work to date. I don't want to call it atrocious but I can't say I enjoyed this. So far.

Good call waiting. I wished I did the same. These D+ shows, with their irregular run times and inconsistent pacing, and long credits are best watched within a closer proximity. It’s something I’m gonna do watching all these D+ shows going forward. I’ll save them up and keep it to 1 or 2 per night depending on the length.

WandaVision - Disney+ (***Spoilers***)

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