Batter a Garda, walk out of court before your victim

06-03-2021 12:34am #1

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/suspended-sentence-for-teen-guilty-of-giving-garda-awful-hiding-1091652.html

What a ****ing joke

SuperSean11 · 06-03-2021 12:40am

The case is moving to a higher court, what ye want?

poisonated · 06-03-2021 12:40am

That’s pretty horrible. If you did that in America, you would get a few years. You might have even gotten shot.

poisonated · 06-03-2021 12:42am

SuperSean11 wrote: »

The case is moving to a higher court, what ye want?

I thought the judge took jurisdiction after hearing about the offenders past. Maybe I misread it.

Gatling · 06-03-2021 12:48am

SuperSean11 wrote: »

The case is moving to a higher court, what ye want?

No the judge accepted jurisdiction and handed out less than a slap on the wrist

nullzero · 06-03-2021 10:51am

Probably has other convictions under his belt.

A regular in the courts for the rest of his life as well no doubt.

biko · 06-03-2021 11:27am

The defence had told the court the boy had been exposed to extreme domestic violence from a young age.

And there it is, the "I got beaten so now I get to beat you" defence.

batman_oh · 06-03-2021 11:27am

Good message that the gangs of little scrotes roaming Dublin can basically beat the crap out of anybody they feel like without having to worry

06-03-2021 11:41am

Isn't that more or less what people deserve? I mean at the end of the day we don't live in a dictatorship, there's an election every 4 to 5 years and your local TD comes down to knock on most people's doors at least once. You either challenge the fukcer to make an election issue out of it or else STFU. Everyone complains about it but no one ever forces it with their local TD, no wonder it's out of control.

L1011 · 06-03-2021 11:47am

Deleted User wrote: »

Isn't that more or less what people deserve? I mean at the end of the day we don't live in a dictatorship, there's an election every 4 to 5 years and your local TD comes down to knock on most people's doors at least once. You either challenge the fukcer to make an election issue out of it or else STFU. Everyone complains about it but no one ever forces it with their local TD, no wonder it's out of control.

The judiciary are independent and not elected.

06-03-2021 12:16pm

SuperSean11 wrote: »

The case is moving to a higher court, what ye want?

You to read the article properly would be a great start.

McMurphy · 06-03-2021 12:32pm

There should be mandatory minimum sentences for phyisical assault on members of AGS, which rise substantially depending on the nature of the assault etc.

No wonder the little shîts walk around like they're untouchable and turn complete sections of towns and citys into no-go areas for everyone else, including sometimes even the cops.

Daragh1980 · 06-03-2021 12:34pm

Silence from the Left. Attacker is one of their sacred cows while victim is from a group they hate (ACAB)

If attacker was posh / middle class and victim was not a cop, then Left would be screaming about postcode justice

Kermit.de.frog · 06-03-2021 12:55pm

This country needs to wake up, fast.

davetherave · 06-03-2021 1:10pm

Scuts McEggyfarts wrote: »

I wish the media would emphasise the individual judge's responsibility in cases where a horrendously lenient or no sentence is handed down. Headlines should look something like:

"Judge Brendan Toale does not consider the brutal assault of a Garda worthy of a jail sentence"

I wonder would that make a judge think more before letting scum off with a slap on the wrist?

Wouldn't expect anything less of him given his priors. Judge Brendan Toale everyone. It's not quite up there with Judge Nolan letting Kiddy Fiddlers off with a suspended sentence though.

A 16-year-old schoolboy, who set up a fake profile on dating app Grindr and lured a man into a violent trap, has been spared a custodial sentence

A judge at Dublin District Family Court who found there was “reasonable cause to believe” a child had been sexually abused, has refused an application to have the child taken into care

IN AN UNUSUAL case in the Dublin District Family Court, Judge Sineád Ní Chúlacháin agreed to give a couple whose children had been taken into care a memo written by the judge who made the order.
The couple are challenging the case in the High Court.
The court was told that Judge Brendan Toale had made the order to take the children into care until the age of 18 on 26 November — but he had not given reasons as to why. The court was told that the parents “were at a loss to understand the momentous decision”.

A foster mum who cared for a baby since birth has lost a legal battle to adopt it as its birth mother, never saw it again or had any role in its life, wants the child to go to "a couple".

JustAThought · 06-03-2021 1:15pm

L1011 wrote: »

The judiciary are independent and not elected.

Judges are politically appointed. By TD’s. From a shortlist they approve and choose from.

Their agenda and liberal leanings are well known before they are chosen/approved to be put into the job.

Why do you think the country is in such a state.

Politicians also agree, continue and fund the endless stream of free legal aid made available at the taxpayers expense to every scrote and so called unemployed and no resources scumbag that chooses to make his life by crime.It dosn’t pay them to bother working as they will lose their free legal aid and no restitution is ever made from their dole or reatriction put on the getting benefits or housing because of their past criminal records.

The government and their policies that support them is entirely to blame.

Front page headlines minister for ‘justice’ is having emergency leglislation rushed through so she cN take half a year off for maternity - no such urgency or effort ever made to combat crime or protect the citizens of the state from douchbag criminals and recidivist scumbags.

Where are the wives and families of garda in protesting all this - they are organised enough through unions and legal resources - why the endless silence when their loved ones go out powerless to face vermin?

06-03-2021 1:16pm

L1011 wrote: »

The judiciary are independent and not elected.

Yes there are plenty of laws. The judges are reluctant to enforce them.

06-03-2021 1:19pm

Daragh1980 wrote: »

Silence from the Left. Attacker is one of their sacred cows while victim is from a group they hate (ACAB)

If attacker was posh / middle class and victim was not a cop, then Left would be screaming about postcode justice

What's all this rubbish?
Who cares what the 'left' say, who do you expect to speak for them all?

If the attacker was posh and the victim was not a guard. Well that would be a different crime wouldn't it??!

Guards are assaulted everyday of the week, don't see too many people worried about it.

tom1ie · 06-03-2021 1:28pm

bubblypop wrote: »

What's all this rubbish?
Who cares what the 'left' say, who do you expect to speak for them all?

If the attacker was posh and the victim was not a guard. Well that would be a different crime wouldn't it??!

Guards are assaulted everyday of the week, don't see too many people worried about it.

We should be worried about it though. Anyone attacking a front line service worker eg guard fireman paramedic should get an automatic custodial sentence.

JustAThought · 06-03-2021 1:29pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes there are plenty of laws. The judges are reluctant to enforce them.

In many cases so are the gaurds.
Probably because the industry of justice gets their teeth into them and then the judges hand out nonsense or no sentences.

Crime pays. It pays the criminal, it pays their lawyer, it pays the judges, it pays all the court staff. The victims and society gets ****ed over - and nobody cares. In this case what’s unusual is that it was a gaurd as the victim. Welcome to the reality the rest of us face. No costs to or consequences for criminals.

Maybe this will cause some backlash. Otherwise nothing will change - as usual.

Daragh1980 · 06-03-2021 2:12pm

bubblypop wrote: »

What's all this rubbish?
Who cares what the 'left' say, who do you expect to speak for them all?

Nobody collectively speaks for The Left.
I follow numerous leftie people on social media. They are very selective with what they condemn. Crimes committed by the underprivileged are never condemned by them.

06-03-2021 2:42pm

Daragh1980 wrote: »

Nobody collectively speaks for The Left.
I follow numerous leftie people on social media. They are very selective with what they condemn. Crimes committed by the underprivileged are never condemned by them.

Do people have to comment on everything?

Daragh1980 · 06-03-2021 2:53pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Do people have to comment on everything?

No not everything. But refusing to acknowledge that violent crime exists (or is only perpetrated by rugby players) is not a good look.

beakerjoe · 06-03-2021 4:23pm

Daragh1980 wrote: »

No not everything. But refusing to acknowledge that violent crime exists (or is only perpetrated by rugby players) is not a good look.

Maybe some people arent aware of this case. I was only aware of it from this thread.

Maybe you should bring it to that persons attention whom you believe is ignoring it.

Kid Charlemagne · 06-03-2021 4:42pm

Scuts McEggyfarts wrote: »

I wish the media would emphasise the individual judge's responsibility in cases where a horrendously lenient or no sentence is handed down. Headlines should look something like:

"Judge Brendan Toale does not consider the brutal assault of a Garda worthy of a jail sentence"

I wonder would that make a judge think more before letting scum off with a slap on the wrist?

While I think the sentence is a disgrace, my fear would be that we end up with the cesspool journalism they have in the UK if we start down this road.

That country is an absolute mess and the laughing stock of Europe.

06-03-2021 7:38pm

JustAThought wrote: »

Welcome to the reality the rest of us face

Do you seek out and challenge violent criminals? If not then this reality is not the reality you face.

Nor are you likely to have seen the grim / violent reality that the Gardai do on a daily basis.

06-03-2021 7:40pm

Smee_Again wrote: »

Well the Guard was on a bike so I’m surprised AGS even bothered to investigate.

Well thats us told. :rolleyes:

Strumms · 06-03-2021 8:00pm

batman_oh wrote: »

Good message that the gangs of little scrotes roaming Dublin can basically beat the crap out of anybody they feel like without having to worry

Yes, if I got a few slaps as a kid I can now give a Garda a hiding or anybody a hiding and the courts will back me instead of my victim or society at large.... THIS is what we are faced with, the fûckwit of a judge earning a six figure salary backing a violent criminal (regardless of age) ahead of the society and the Gardai which he undertook an oath to protect...

riffmongous · 06-03-2021 9:05pm

Wouldn't be a fan of some aspects of the Guards but this is a disgrace, and the judge really ****ed up with the message this sends, either Gardai will become even more reluctant to deal with these areas or they'll feel the need to go more aggressive, both of which are bad options for society as a whole.

JustAThought · 07-03-2021 2:15am

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Do you seek out and challenge violent criminals? If not then this reality is not the reality you face.

Nor are you likely to have seen the grim / violent reality that the Gardai do on a daily basis.

Would you ever stop moaning about your job and go off sick with something long term or take early retirement. You signed up for it, you wanted to do it, you take the salary. You now hate it - we all know. Yes its terrible, yes its **** for the garda, yet unless your unions organise and sort out another blue flu nothing will change. Accept it or leave. The politicians dont care, noone is putting pressure on them, the industry of law is not going to change ever if it can help it - too many multimillionaires made from it. So make your world a better place and choose a career that will make you happy. Leave your **** job and ait working conditions and the daily **** you have to endure. Your current role and career choice is clearly one you hate and dosn’t agree with you. You are not a tree - if you don’t like where you are MOVE. Stop letting them poison your life and make a walking victim of you and the rest
of your working life. Bitterly, we all know and can clearly see It is not going to change or get better.

tom1ie · 07-03-2021 10:41am

JustAThought wrote: »

Would you ever stop moaning about your job and go off sick with something long term or take early retirement. You signed up for it, you wanted to do it, you take the salary. You now hate it - we all know. Yes its terrible, yes its **** for the garda, yet unless your unions organise and sort out another blue flu nothing will change. Accept it or leave. The politicians dont care, noone is putting pressure on them, the industry of law is not going to change ever if it can help it - too many multimillionaires made from it. So make your world a better place and choose a career that will make you happy. Leave your **** job and ait working conditions and the daily **** you have to endure. Your current role and career choice is clearly one you hate and dosn’t agree with you. You are not a tree - if you don’t like where you are MOVE. Stop letting them poison your life and make a walking victim of you and the rest
of your working life. Bitterly, we all know and can clearly see It is not going to change or get better.

That’s a bit harsh.
Your telling the poster to move jobs as opposed to society solving the actual problem of feral criminals?

touts · 07-03-2021 10:50am

This scroate was released because if he was in jail he wouldn't be out on the streets committing more crimes and therefore making more money in fees for the Justice Industry. The lads in the law library wouldnt be able to change the BMW every 12-18 months if they jailed their cash cows

07-03-2021 10:53am

tom1ie wrote: »

That’s a bit harsh.
Your telling the poster to move jobs as opposed to society solving the actual problem of feral criminals?

Yeah. He signed up to get the sh** kicked out of him. That's what Gardai are for. Duh.

nigeldaniel · 07-03-2021 11:40am

All I can say is I am very glad I am single with no children as they seem these days, to be way too much trouble. When teens think they are above the law and can do whatever they want, things are serious. When they do not get what they want they then hit the big red button. I would think some are spoilt and can't cope with the world that they grow to see so keep trying to bring their preferent world into view. A preferent world, been so near perfect that it's a fantasy... not a good thing to believe in. Some parents themselves do not know how to manage a family and kind of need directions and instruction to the point of pity. The inability to evolve and lacking awareness is in the mix there.

07-03-2021 11:46am

Should have been jailed for 5 years.

07-03-2021 11:55am

L1011 wrote: »

The judiciary are independent and not elected.

Ah come on now! I don't want to live in North Korea any more than you do but FFS! A police officer was assaulted by a child, and there won't be any consequences. Where are we going here as a country?

I don't want the judiciary to be elected either but the people who appoint them should be accountable to someone, no? Call a spade a spade, your mans going to be in and out of court three or four times a year for the next fifty years, and why? because some as$hole is going to pick up a check for 5 grand every time it happens, that's why.

tom1ie · 07-03-2021 11:57am

ecoli3136 wrote: »

Yeah. He signed up to get the sh** kicked out of him. That's what Gardai are for. Duh.

Lol! You funny.

screamer · 07-03-2021 12:04pm

Worse than the sentence is the precedence this has now set for future cases. Who’d want to be a Garda in this country, can be attacked without consequence, and even when they bring the perpetrators to justice, justice fails.

OOnegative · 07-03-2021 12:11pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Should have been jailed for 5 years.

No point, I’m an ex member of AGS. Once got a lad locked up for 7.5 years, he was caught after a car chase that lasted 30 minutes in which he ended up rear ending a car with an innocent father and son in that went 30 feet into the air on impact and then caught fire. He was after being on a burglary spree the same night. On the day he was sentenced he calmly told me he would slice me to pieces when he got out.

Cue two years later I arrived into work and see a prisoner was in, utter shock to see it’s my “slicing” friend. He was after attempting to steal a car the night before and the owner challenged him. He purposefully reversed the owner against a wall breaking both his legs.

He serves 18 months and gets out and ends up being a member of the gang that subjected that family in Tipperary to an awful ordeal during an aggravated burglary.

SOME guards do try there best but the judiciary lets them down with a bang at times.

Montage of Feck · 07-03-2021 12:25pm

The judiciary no longer serve the public good only the corrupt and untouchable legal industry.

07-03-2021 2:22pm

JustAThought wrote: »

Would you ever stop moaning about your job and go off sick with something long term or take early retirement. You signed up for it, you wanted to do it, you take the salary. You now hate it - we all know. Yes its terrible, yes its **** for the garda, yet unless your unions organise and sort out another blue flu nothing will change. Accept it or leave. The politicians dont care, noone is putting pressure on them, the industry of law is not going to change ever if it can help it - too many multimillionaires made from it. So make your world a better place and choose a career that will make you happy. Leave your **** job and ait working conditions and the daily **** you have to endure. Your current role and career choice is clearly one you hate and dosn’t agree with you. You are not a tree - if you don’t like where you are MOVE. Stop letting them poison your life and make a walking victim of you and the rest
of your working life. Bitterly, we all know and can clearly see It is not going to change or get better.

I don't recall saying any of those things.

I asked you a very straight question and you went off on a rant about me and made a lot of presumptuous comments.

In regards leaving, it must be great to have the freedom to just quit your job because you don't like it. The majority of people can't do that.

JustAThought · 07-03-2021 4:42pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I don't recall saying any of those things.

I asked you a very straight question and you went off on a rant about me and made a lot of presumptuous comments.

In regards leaving, it must be great to have the freedom to just quit your job because you don't like it. The majority of people can't do that.

You are constantly on boards hating your job. Thats why I mentioned it - its synonymous with you. Even as a total anonymous poster the toxic hate you have for the position you find yourself in and the criminal scum and circumstances you have to deal with punch through every time. Thats why I said to give it up - it is clearly eating away at you and destroying you. As for jobs - there are others as with careers. Sometimes, harsh or not, the person you become because of the toxicity and anger you feel because of your job and the scum you meet and have to deal with, is not worth it. You seem to have reached this point. Move while you still have something to give.

& I agree with someone eles & apologise -it was a bit harsh - but it is in everything you do on boards - you are known for it - your hatred of your work circscumstances.

yabadabado · 07-03-2021 5:48pm

I suppose the problem with a job like that is they may have no other qualifications to fall back on.

If you have no other qualifications it will be near impossible to leave the guards and get any other job that pays close to what they are currently making.

07-03-2021 6:45pm

yabadabado wrote: »

I suppose the problem with a job like that is they may have no other qualifications to fall back on.

If you have no other qualifications it will be near impossible to leave the guards and get any other job that pays close to what they are currently making.

I'm not sure why you would think this.
The majority of people who join the Guards have, third level qualifications or a trade, before joining.
Very few people join the Guards straight from school. It's not the 1970s anymore.

yabadabado · 07-03-2021 6:49pm

bubblypop wrote: »

I'm not sure why you would think this.
The majority of people who join the Guards have, third level qualifications or a trade, before joining.
Very few people join the Guards straight from school. It's not the 1970s anymore.

Any link to this or is there any official figures.I'd be very interested in seeing them.

07-03-2021 7:22pm

yabadabado wrote: »

Any link to this or is there any official figures.I'd be very interested in seeing them.

I don't know if they keep official records on this.
I might see if I can find out.

thecretinhop · 07-03-2021 7:37pm

I was in a high court case the judge in the case before was so nice to scrote who badly beat another kid.
he treated me like vermin lol. I despised him too though.
he'll is the high courts

07-03-2021 7:37pm

JustAThought wrote: »

You are constantly on boards hating your job. Thats why I mentioned it - its synonymous with you. Even as a total anonymous poster the toxic hate you have for the position you find yourself in and the criminal scum and circumstances you have to deal with punch through every time. Thats why I said to give it up - it is clearly eating away at you and destroying you. As for jobs - there are others as with careers. Sometimes, harsh or not, the person you become because of the toxicity and anger you feel because of your job and the scum you meet and have to deal with, is not worth it. You seem to have reached this point. Move while you still have something to give.

& I agree with someone eles & apologise -it was a bit harsh - but it is in everything you do on boards - you are known for it - your hatred of your work circscumstances.

I seriously doubt I am famous on boards. Most users would be unaware of my job even when familiar with myself.

Of course I hate criminals and the stupid system I work in. Shouldn't I? I dunno why you think I hate my job though. I don't think I have ever said that. It's broken and widely regarded as broken but I like my job.

None of that changes that again, you made a comparison and I asked you if you do indeed share the reality of Gardai. A question you won't answer. That's all. Nothing to do with how I rate my career.

JustAThought · 07-03-2021 7:42pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I seriously doubt I am famous on boards. Most users would be unaware of my job even when familiar with myself.

Of course I hate criminals and the stupid system I work in. Shouldn't I? I dunno why you think I hate my job though. I don't think I have ever said that. It's broken and widely regarded as broken but I like my job.

None of that changes that again, you made a comparison and I asked you if you do indeed share the reality of Gardai. A question you won't answer. That's all. Nothing to do with how I rate my career.

Here we go again. Whining. Moaning about your work and downplaying anyone and everyone else & their experiences . You’re the most underplayed and damaged etc etc. Quit moaning or get out. You’re forever at it. Totally toxic and disturbing to read. The system is not going to change but it will ruin what is left of you.

07-03-2021 7:48pm

OOnegative wrote: »

No point, I’m an ex member of AGS. Once got a lad locked up for 7.5 years, he was caught after a car chase that lasted 30 minutes in which he ended up rear ending a car with an innocent father and son in that went 30 feet into the air on impact and then caught fire. He was after being on a burglary spree the same night. On the day he was sentenced he calmly told me he would slice me to pieces when he got out.

Cue two years later I arrived into work and see a prisoner was in, utter shock to see it’s my “slicing” friend. He was after attempting to steal a car the night before and the owner challenged him. He purposefully reversed the owner against a wall breaking both his legs.

He serves 18 months and gets out and ends up being a member of the gang that subjected that family in Tipperary to an awful ordeal during an aggravated burglary.

SOME guards do try there best but the judiciary lets them down with a bang at times.

I sometimes feel like my job is pointless but then I'm thankful I'm not a Garda. :pac:

I have little time for the Gardai in a lot of cases but at the end of the day I can't imagine how many of them can keep any motivation. Starting off with the best of intentions it'll surely be beaten out of you pretty quick because you can work your bollocks off to try to protect people from some scumbag and then a judge will just let him walk out.

There's another thing in the article I really like; he had previous convictions for motoring and public order offences. I find it quite hard to believe the public order offences were the non-violent passed out somewhere rather than the shall we say "rowdier" kind of convictions.
But hey, the probation service reckon he's at a low risk of re-offending. Obviously we'll never find out and they can all keep continuing their ineptitude.

07-03-2021 8:39pm

JustAThought wrote: »

Here we go again. Whining. Moaning about your work and downplaying anyone and everyone else & their experiences . You’re the most underplayed and damaged etc etc. Quit moaning or get out. You’re forever at it. Totally toxic and disturbing to read. The system is not going to change but it will ruin what is left of you.

I think you are just reading your own version of my posts now and have no interest in answering the question put to you. Block me then if im so "Toxic"

Ok so

Batter a Garda, walk out of court before your victim

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