Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

Nphet are only there to provide information, if you think they are fearmongering then you are free to take risks and suffer whatever consequences. This whole movement against Nphet is bizarre, they dont make decisions they just provide information.

Gardai seem to be taking the anti-lockdown protest, planned for Cork today, fairly seriously. I wonder how many they are expecting to attend? Doubt there will be over a thousand. If it does go ahead, let's hope it's without incident. Checkpoints outside the City probably the best place to start in trying to minimise the gathering.

Leftwaffe wrote: »

Come on now. NPHET don’t officially make the decisions but the current gov basically accept anything they say as gospel. They may as well be making all the decisions. Martin and co pass the buck to NPHET, even more so now since Christmas.

I know you won’t agree with that and that’s fair enough. But what they said about the pregnancies the other day is nothing short of disgraceful. The sooner this group is pushed back behind the scenes and taken out of the media eye the better.

It sounds like you are directing your ire to the wrong group. Nphet are there to provide their recommendations, if the government accepts them wholesale then that is a government issue, not an nphet one. We are in a fast moving pandemic, mistakes will be made but if there is cause for concern in any area then it should be shared with the public, the government are quite able to hold a press conference and either agree or disagree with the advice given.

As a rule I only take the morning hospital numbers as gospel (otherwise you'd be on a rollercoaster), but last night's numbers are fantastic.

Both ICU and hospital numbers appear to be falling at a much faster rate now.

Admissions have slowed marginally and discharges haven't increased by any huge margin, they remain pretty steady.

Which suggests that the big impact is being made in hospital-acquired infections. This would indicate that the vaccination of front line staff is having a real impact now. Which basically guarantees that we'll not see the likes of January again. 40% of the hospital infections were acquired in hospital.

Even 4 weeks out, there's no reason to expect we won't see considerable easing of restrictions from April on. The vaccination of HCW means that even in the event of a big spike or outbreak, it won't snowball within the hospital system itself.

Probes wrote: »

It sounds like you are directing your ire to the wrong group. Nphet are there to provide their recommendations, if the government accepts them wholesale then that is a government issue, not an nphet one. We are in a fast moving pandemic, mistakes will be made but if there is cause for concern in any area then it should be shared with the public, the government are quite able to hold a press conference and either agree or disagree with the advice given.

I’m not no. I’m not sure if you read my post properly. NPHET make recommendations but they are generally accepted by government regardless. For example, we are the only state in the EU with construction closed and MM eluded to be being frustrated at this in recent days. MM is the Taoiseach.

In relation to COVID placentitis. Rotunda hospital have had 200+ women give birth whilst being diagnosed with C19. There have been zero adverse outcomes in relation to any of these. Ireland has approx 200 still births per year and this rate has not increased at all since the pandemic began.

The issue is, it’s possible to find evidence of C19 infection in the placenta following a still birth but it’s extremely difficult to conclude that C19 caused it. These still births can be associated with C19 but these no way to determine whether they were the cause of death.

So here we are, we have pregnant women all over the country panicking over something that is completely unfounded at this current time. Why did NPHET feel the need to release this information considering it is not properly researched? Why didn’t they take 5 mins to go through this recent study that was properly concluded?

www.imperial.ac.uk/news/215533/covid-19-infection-pregnancy-linked-with-still/amp/

4,006 women from bother the US and UK who had covid whilst pregnant were studied. Zero increased risk of still brith or early neonatal death.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Kiith wrote: »

NPHET should not be going in front of the public and saying pregnant woman are at risk of a stillbirth based on absolutely no scientific evidence. There is literally nothing to even suggest those cases are COVID related, but they went ahead and said it anyway.

Considering stress can have a big impact on early pregnancy, maybe they should have actually looked into it properly before scaring a **** ton of people.

They literally said the reports should be treated with caution and that analysis was still ongoing. There obviously is something to suggest they might be Covid related, the Covid infection was in the placenta. So, you are twisting their words.

Elessar wrote: »

Varadkar has already privately said to FG members that all we'll be getting in April is an increase on the 5km limit, click and collect and the re-opening of construction. So he has already pre-decided regardless of figures that that is all we are getting. Don't get your hopes up.

If they dont allow garden meetings with another household people wil do it anyway .They already are

seamus wrote: »

Even 4 weeks out, there's no reason to expect we won't see considerable easing of restrictions from April on. The vaccination of HCW means that even in the event of a big spike or outbreak, it won't snowball within the hospital system itself.

If this were a normal country and we kept the current trend until beginning of April then I'd absolutely expect considerable easing of restrictions but alas we are not a normal country.

Leo is making lots of noise about outdoor dining space for restaurants in the summer. That's months away so it doesn't sound great for much easing in April. Construction will go back, I expect they'll increase 5km to 10km as a token gesture as they know this restriction seems the most unpopular (because it makes the least sense) and probably children back training outdoors and maybe you can meet a few more people outdoors. I wouldnt expect much more than that in April but I hope I'm wrong.

Probes wrote: »

I just watched the video of Nphet talking about the stillbirths. The video is cut off at the start but it sounds like he is being asked a question by a reporter and he is being extremely cautious in his reply "possibly", "preliminary", "not concluded". And then he finished with "we've had a very positive experience with maternity and Covid in this country so far.

Sounds like some here making a fuss over nothing.

But they reported the death range of 0 - 90something. They knew that was going to be questioned so to say they didn't bring it up because it was asked by a reporting first is disingenuous. They knew exactly what was going to happen.

A few people have mentioned the fact that these threads are quiet shows everyone has had enough of covid and has moved on. But we've had these lulls before. Basically we're in one of those phases where not much changes. There's no fear that restrictions will soon get worse because they're already as bad as they're likely to get and they'll stay that way until early April at least. Virus numbers are going down at a stable and boring pace so there's no shock or horror at increasing hospital numbers. The vaccine rollout isn't going as fast as we'd like but it is at least happening.

My guess is that once they start talking about whether or not they'll reduce restrictions or the vaccine rollout completely falls apart or there's a sudden spike in cases/hospitalisations people will suddenly realise they've not actually moved on (although we've all definitely had more than enough of covid). Hopefully by Autumn there'll be so little worthwhile to talk about that people will actually have properly moved on.

Elessar wrote: »

Varadkar has already privately said to FG members that all we'll be getting in April is an increase on the 5km limit, click and collect and the re-opening of construction. So he has already pre-decided regardless of figures that that is all we are getting. Don't get your hopes up.

Maybe he's just keeping expectations low, even among his own troops, so that when things are loosened up even a small bit more than anticipated, everyone will be delighted...

Well 12,500 got their first dose vaccine on Wednesday. No it’s not as quick as we’d all like but we will get there.

Fair play to them but its disheartening watching from a distance

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Fair play to them but its disheartening watching from a distance

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/

We're starting those with underlying health conditions on Monday so that's group 4 of the 15 starting.

Only 10 more groups to go until my turn.

retro:electro wrote: »

And two of the still births were included in yesterday’s death figures, despite the coroner still investigating if Covid was the cause. Desperate stuff

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2021/0304/1201064-5-things-we-learned/


Four preliminary reports of stillbirths potentially associated with a condition called Covid Placentitis have emerged in Ireland, said Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn.

He said the reports should be interpreted with caution, as the coroners have not yet concluded their findings.

Two of the deaths have been officially reported as part of this evening's figures.

I feel like people are falling over themselves to criticise Nphet here. It's very possible that Covid increases the risk of stillbirth like other infections do too. I'd say it's quite likely that they are concluding that Covid has been a complication in those births leading to a negative outcome. They don't know how much of a problem it is, if it's worse with Covid or if it's typical of all infections. We are in a fast moving pandemic, we are dealing with variants now too, there is a lot of uncertainty. To criticise them for doing their job in reporting the information and providing recommendations is pretty low.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/flu-vaccination/flu-vaccine-pregnancy/