Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

blanch152 · 05-03-2021 01:48AM

It seems to me that the hysterical posters on this issue hyping up a routine GARDA enquiry into a full-blown criminal investigation are only doing so in order to allow themselves to scream corruption and undue influence when inevitably the Garda conclude that there was no crime.

The hatred of Leo runs deep in some.

markodaly · 05-03-2021 02:27AM

James Brown wrote: »

Folk have been working very hard to dismiss the whole affair.
Criminal or not he still did what he did.
Is the angle to claim people expect Varadkar to be sent to Folsom Prison so when it doesn't happen ye can pretend he is vindicated? I call shenanigans on that in advance.

Read back on the thread.
Many a regular poster had grand claims on what would happen to Leo, from being sent to jail to being sacked, to be out on his ear within the week the story broke.

None of those predictions came to pass, which is a sign that perhaps the story here isn't as big as some want to make it out to be. That is the reality of it.

James Brown · 05-03-2021 03:30AM

markodaly wrote: »

Read back on the thread.
Many a regular poster had grand claims on what would happen to Leo, from being sent to jail to being sacked, to be out on his ear within the week the story broke.

None of those predictions came to pass, which is a sign that perhaps the story here isn't as big as some want to make it out to be. That is the reality of it.

No quotes from you either.

I don't recall anyone claiming he'd go to jail. Seemingly there were more than a few, so, quotes? He should have been 'resigned' IMO.

There were a few posters, possibly holding two pints, saying [insert made up stuff].

McMurphy · 05-03-2021 06:57AM

22nd Jan.

blanch152 wrote: »

A lie, a blatant lie.

This is a very good example of how fake news is created.

The Gardai are not investigating Varadkar.

March 5th.

blanch152 wrote: »

It seems to me that the hysterical posters on this issue hyping up a routine GARDA enquiry into a full-blown criminal investigation are only doing so in order to allow themselves to scream corruption and undue influence when inevitably the Garda conclude that there was no crime.

The hatred of Leo runs deep in some.

Shooting fish in a barrel.

markodaly · 05-03-2021 09:17AM

James Brown wrote: »

No quotes from you either.

I don't recall anyone claiming he'd go to jail.

s1ippy wrote: »

People seem to be overlooking the fact that there's a potential ten year jail term for what he did and there is more damning detail of his leaking to come.

joemurt wrote: »

Himself and the doctor who received the goods have to face honest consequences for their illegal behaviour. Jail time.

You are welcome.

There are plenty more 'predictions' from months back as well, none of which have come to pass.

McMurphy · 05-03-2021 09:21AM

markodaly wrote: »

There are plenty more 'predictions' from months back as well, none of which have come to pass.

These ones in particular are crackers.

markodaly wrote: »

The story is done unless The Village is holding something major back which is unlikely given their amateur hour of releasing this story the weekend before a US presidential election. They are not a serious outfit.

Leo is not going to resign over this matter, no matter what you and the other chums think about it.

This story will be forgotten about in a few weeks, as we move into more Covid, Brexit matters, and who knows what will go on in the States.

markodaly · 05-03-2021 09:29AM

McMurphy wrote: »

These ones in particular are crackers.

Am I wrong? Releasing this story the week of the US presidential election? Amateur stuff, but anyway.

The only people who care about this are some people on Twitter, some people on boards and other forums and The Village Magazine.

Granted it made the news when it was revealed that the Gardai were making preliminary enquires, as it's their job to do. But this story is done unless some other major revelation is brought to bare, which is not at all likely.

Nobotty · 05-03-2021 09:53AM

James Brown wrote: »

He should have been 'resigned' .

There isnt a hope in hell of that as he's negotiated 2 more years as Taoiseach for himself
2 years when the population will be fully vaccinated and Id expect our economy and the worlds to be roaring forward
To paraphrase haugheys description of Ahern 'the cleverest politician of them all'
Sinn Féin know this which is why their strategy is virulent towards him in particular as evidenced also by their more prominent supporters typical postings here
Whats super annoying is,he went into this declaring to be earlier happy to 'relish' going into opposition but instead 'stumbled' back into power and doubtless will express the same again in 2 years
Nothing goes on forever,there is that

FrancieBrady · 05-03-2021 10:32AM

Nobotty wrote: »

There isnt a hope in hell of that as he's negotiated 2 more years as Taoiseach for himself
2 years when the population will be fully vaccinated and Id expect our economy and the worlds to be roaring forward
To paraphrase haugheys description of Ahern 'the cleverest politician of them all'
Sinn Féin know this which is why their strategy is virulent towards him in particular as evidenced also by their more prominent supporters typical postings here
Whats super annoying is,he went into this declaring to be earlier happy to 'relish' going into opposition but instead 'stumbled' back into power and doubtless will express the same again in 2 years
Nothing goes on forever,there is that

Oh lord...today is a 'SF want power' day. Makes a change from 'The Shinners don't want to be in power' days, I suppose. Variety being the spice of life and all that.

Nobotty · 05-03-2021 10:36AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Oh lord...today is a 'SF want power' day. Makes a change from 'The Shinners don't want to be in power' days, I suppose. Variety being the spice of life and all that.

You can direct that at the mob Francie
I would suggest,like me instead of wringing your hands in frustration,you just get on with it as I presume you do want Sinn Féin in power

Rows Grower · 05-03-2021 11:21AM

Nobotty wrote: »

There isnt a hope in hell of that as he's negotiated 2 more years as Taoiseach for himself
2 years when the population will be fully vaccinated and Id expect our economy and the worlds to be roaring forward
To paraphrase haugheys description of Ahern 'the cleverest politician of them all'
Sinn Féin know this which is why their strategy is virulent towards him in particular as evidenced also by their more prominent supporters typical postings here
Whats super annoying is,he went into this declaring to be earlier happy to 'relish' going into opposition but instead 'stumbled' back into power and doubtless will express the same again in 2 years
Nothing goes on forever,there is that

Many's the slip twixt cup and lip.

There could well be another skeleton or two in Leo's cupboard that will emerge at a more crucial time.

Politics is a dirty game and he's crossed a lot of people.

blanch152 · 05-03-2021 12:33PM

s1ippy wrote: »

If whoever leaked the story (I suspect Bowes) is willing to corroborate further and provide evidence, then I don't see why he won't face jail time. He should.

No doubt others have stories about leaks of this nature as well. He's likely pissed a load of people off down through the years. I have my fingers crossed that this is the end of him.

Usually I don't give a fiddler's about who is governing so long as they're reasonably competent. Not only is he incompetent, he's arrogant, smug, actively undermines everyone around him. He makes the country look bad. This scandal will be of great benefit to the country as it will see him removed from his position of influence and hopefully imprisoned.

Come on 2020, just do this one thing.

A prediction of jail time from Day 1 of the thread. How early can you get?

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Can show me evidence to the contrary? My opinion is that Leo Varadkar TD = A member of the Oireachtas. Leo Varadkar Taoiseach = Not a member of the Oireachtas.

I would love to hear the opinion of someone actually qualified to answer this question.

Here is another outstanding contribution equivalent to Schrodinger's Oireachtas.

markodaly wrote: »

You are welcome.

There are plenty more 'predictions' from months back as well, none of which have come to pass.

Exactly. We are still waiting to find out will there be a garda investigation, let alone a criminal prosecution. Can't see much priority being given to this.

FrancieBrady · 05-03-2021 12:51PM

blanch152 wrote: »

A prediction of jail time from Day 1 of the thread. How early can you get?

Here is another outstanding contribution equivalent to Schrodinger's Oireachtas.

Exactly. We are still waiting to find out will there be a garda investigation, let alone a criminal prosecution. Can't see much priority being given to this.

Leo may still do jail time. He is the subject of a criminal investigation. None of those posters are wrong - yet.

If evidence of corruption is found or evidence that he has broken the OSA by the Gardai, do you think he should face a trial blanch?

IngazZagni · 05-03-2021 12:58PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Leo may still do jail time. He is the subject of a criminal investigation. None of those posters are wrong - yet.

If evidence of corruption is found or evidence that he has broken the OSA by the Gardai, do you think he should face a trial blanch?

This is incorrect. It is not a criminal investigation. It is a preliminary investigation to see if a crime may have taken place. It is being done because a member of the public made a complaint to the gardai and the gardai are obliged to investigate it.

FrancieBrady · 05-03-2021 01:10PM

IngazZagni wrote: »

This is incorrect. It is not a criminal investigation. It is a preliminary investigation to see if a crime may have taken place. It is being done because a member of the public made a complaint to the gardai and the gardai are obliged to investigate it.

Sigh>
The gardai are investigating if a crime has been committed i.e. a criminal investigation - which may or may not find evidence of criminality on two counts and which may or may not lead to the Tanaiste going to jail.
All true - all factual.

Nobotty · 05-03-2021 01:32PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Leo may still do jail time. He is the subject of a criminal investigation. None of those posters are wrong - yet.

If evidence of corruption is found or evidence that he has broken the OSA by the Gardai, do you think he should face a trial blanch?

If being the operative word of wishfull thinking and NO he is not currently the subject of a criminal investigation

FrancieBrady · 05-03-2021 01:40PM

Nobotty wrote: »

If being the operative word of wishfull thinking and NO he is not currently the subject of a criminal investigation

Absolutely 'if' is the operative word. It's an investigation and the Gardai do not 'convict' but gather evidence after a criminal investigation.

You cannot, whether you are a civilian or Garda, investigate the veracity of a claim without investigating the circumstances, who did what and who said what.

Leo claiming innocence or you claiming it on his behalf, won't wash when it goes this far.

IngazZagni · 05-03-2021 01:41PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sigh>
The gardai are investigating if a crime has been committed i.e. a criminal investigation - which may or may not find evidence of criminality on two counts and which may or may not lead to the Tanaiste going to jail.
All true - all factual.

Incorrect. It's a preliminary investigation. If the Gardai feel there could be a crime committed then it will proceed to a formal criminal investigation.

FrancieBrady · 05-03-2021 01:44PM

IngazZagni wrote: »

Incorrect. It's a preliminary investigation.

What are they looking for in this preliminary investigation?

Evidence that crimes may have been committed. Therefore it is a criminal investigation which may or may not lead to finding evidence that a crime was committed.

Please stop with the pedantry to defend/protect. Leo got himself here by the wrongdoing he has confessed to already.

Nobotty · 05-03-2021 01:53PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Leo claiming innocence or you claiming it on his behalf, won't wash when it goes this far.

So guilty untill proven innocent,I see
Have you moved to North Korea?

Nobotty · 05-03-2021 02:05PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What are they looking for in this preliminary investigation?

Evidence that crimes may have been committed. Therefore it is a criminal investigation which may or may not lead to finding evidence that a crime was committed.

Please stop with the pedantry to defend/protect. Leo got himself here by the wrongdoing he has confessed to already.

As said to you last night,a persons right to their good name isnt so brittle that someone who actually isnt au fait with the status of a document can have it removed simply by that someone claiming it was still subject to the official secrets act

The veracity has to be established first
No official secret,No crime
As the document already left the cabinet and was being circulated among private citizens,I expect thats that
No amount of wishfull thinking will change it
Gardaí have to investigate every complaint reported to them,however frivolous

FrancieBrady · 05-03-2021 02:17PM

Nobotty wrote: »

As said to you last night,a persons right to their good name isnt so brittle that someone who actually isnt au fait with the status of a document can have it removed simply by that someone claiming it was still subject to the official secrets act

The veracity has to be established first
No official secret,No crime
As the document already left the cabinet and was being circulated among private citizens,I expect thats that
No amount of wishfull thinking will change it
Gardaí have to investigate every complaint reported to them,however frivolous

his 'good name' in respect of what happened here is gone when he confessed to wrongdoing after being exposed in the media.

And no, I am not interested in your take of he law, that's in the Gardai's hands now.

FrancieBrady · 05-03-2021 02:21PM

Nobotty wrote: »

So guilty untill proven innocent,I see
Have you moved to North Korea?

Clutching at straws now Nobotty.

The complainants claims of guilt and Leo's claims of innocence will be ignored in a dispassionate inquiry into what happened. That's what happens when you are investigated or supposed to anyhow.

McMurphy · 05-03-2021 02:29PM

Nobotty wrote: »

As said to you last night,a persons right to their good name isnt so brittle that someone who actually isnt au fait with the status of a document can have it removed simply by that someone claiming it was still subject to the official secrets act

The veracity has to be established first
No official secret,No crime
As the document already left the cabinet and was being circulated among private citizens,I expect thats that
No amount of wishfull thinking will change it
Gardaí have to investigate every complaint reported to them,however frivolous

Just to echo Francie here, his good name, certainly with regards passing confidential information to his pal is absolutely no longer a question.

Unless I was imagining him admitting, and apologising for doing so?

blanch152 · 05-03-2021 02:30PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sigh>
The gardai are investigating if a crime has been committed i.e. a criminal investigation - which may or may not find evidence of criminality on two counts and which may or may not lead to the Tanaiste going to jail.
All true - all factual.

Investigating if a crime has been committed is NOT a criminal investigation, it is routine preliminary enquiries.

blanch152 · 05-03-2021 02:32PM

IngazZagni wrote: »

Incorrect. It's a preliminary investigation. If the Gardai feel there could be a crime committed then it will proceed to a formal criminal investigation.

Some posters clearly do not understand the difference.

Nobotty · 05-03-2021 02:50PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

his 'good name' in respect of what happened here is gone when he confessed to wrongdoing after being exposed in the media.

And no, I am not interested in your take of he law, that's in the Gardai's hands now.

He may have no name for not leaking stuff but you know thats not what Im talking about
Im thinking at this stage theres an episode of Louis Theroux to be made in these threads
Ler me know when its on and I'll record it

FrancieBrady · 05-03-2021 02:54PM

Nobotty wrote: »

He may have no name for not leaking stuff but you know thats not what Im talking about
Im thinking at this stage theres an episode of Louis Theroux to be made in these threads
Ler me know when its on and I'll record it

You arrived back on these threads, highly critical of the entrenched opinions here. Here you are entrenched in trying to keep the words 'criminal and Varadkar' out of the same sentence.

It's a criminal investigation Nobotty, be it preliminary or formal. Nobody has suggested Leo has been found to be a criminal..yet.

Relax.

Nobotty · 05-03-2021 03:02PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Investigating if a crime has been committed is NOT a criminal investigation, it is routine preliminary enquiries.

Can you not see the problem,some posters here have with what Leo did?
With FF and FG,they see a never ending whiff of cronyism which handing documents or giving information to your friend privately is easily a possible example?
Its not much of an extention of that to be hoping for 'criminal investigations'
In my view if it came to that vradakar would need to step aside and it would be doubtfull he'd be stepping back

The problem for his haters is,his base I expect have accepted him which is why his party are up on their GE performance and thats infuriating

Nobotty · 05-03-2021 03:13PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You arrived back on these threads, highly critical of the entrenched opinions here. Here you are entrenched in trying to keep the words 'criminal and Varadkar' out of the same sentence.

It's a criminal investigation Nobotty, be it preliminary or formal. Nobody has suggested Leo has been found to be a criminal..yet.

Relax.

In all fairness now,Id do the same for anyone
Its not an entrenched position,its reality and thats one thing youll always hear from me
Theres absolutely nothing entrenching about the truth and reality
Its often uncomfortable
And No ,there is NO criminal investigation unless the document is found to have been covered by the official secrets act
All points to it not being as it was already released to private citizens

Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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