When will it all end?

dalyboy · 05-03-2021 12:32AM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Or hop on Ryanair flight to Spain or Greece !!

True. Via Belfast airport .

Tissues at the ready.

Bye bye Ireland

05-03-2021 12:33AM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Or hop on Ryanair flight to Spain or Greece !!

I imagine that huge numbers of people will emigrate later this year.

05-03-2021 12:42AM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Irish government ignoring this and hoping it goes away is government policy atm in this regard....

Ryanair with their massive boost to Belfast with new flights is two giant fingers to the Irish government. M1 is going to be jammed....going north.....

Irish government needs to now be on the phone to Boris working on a two island policy, we have some leverage here if we are smart......but smart isn't exactly in ample supply atm.

Very true but I can’t see any of that happening any time soon. At least if we did a bubble with the UK or something but no no. That’d be no good.
I wonder does MM know this is his last run? He will never be forgotten for this one!

05-03-2021 12:42AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I imagine that huge numbers of people will emigrate later this year.

I can’t see too many emigrating tbh. But I can see full flights to Lanzo from Belfast for sure.

05-03-2021 12:46AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I can’t see too many emigrating tbh. But I can see full flights to Lanzo from Belfast for sure.

It'll be interesting to see what happens. I imagine lot of people are considering it.

Charles Babbage · 05-03-2021 12:52AM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Or hop on Ryanair flight to Spain or Greece !!

If Spain or Greece has any sense then they will only admit vaccinated people.

dalyboy · 05-03-2021 01:08AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

If Spain or Greece has any sense then they will only admit vaccinated people.

Most of European hospitality will be booming this summer. They’ll need the money to survive after the bust of last year.
Continental political pressure all but guarantees they’ll be open.

All except Ireland

ujjjjjjjjj · 05-03-2021 01:20AM

dalyboy wrote: »

Most of European hospitality will be booming this summer. They’ll need the money to survive after the bust of last year.
Continental political pressure all but guarantees they’ll be open.

All except Ireland

Yup agree Spain and Greece have no choice, they can't go on like this. Beaches will be packed this summer, guaranteed.

HansKroenke · 05-03-2021 08:16AM

gozunda wrote: »

So two people make up a mob (of extremists)

Do enlighten us more of this deep philosophy
:pac:

https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/zero-covid-vaccine-5369709-Mar2021/

Another national media publication. Read through the 10 steps and it is frightening how extreme these measures are. Again, these people do not think they are extremists for spouting this sort of stuff, which is disturbing. If you want, I can pull out individual posters' posts, but as I said, things like calling for the Gardai and army to break up peaceful house parties, arresting people for insulting the covid gods by not putting a bit of face covering on their face etc. is what is extremist behaviour.

gozunda · 05-03-2021 08:45AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I imagine that huge numbers of people will emigrate later this year.

If it's for some of the reasoning as outlined in this thread - it will be to our gain and some other countries loss.

05-03-2021 08:47AM

HansKroenke wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/zero-covid-vaccine-5369709-Mar2021/

Another national media publication. Read through the 10 steps and it is frightening how extreme these measures are. Again, these people do not think they are extremists for spouting this sort of stuff, which is disturbing. If you want, I can pull out individual posters' posts, but as I said, things like calling for the Gardai and army to break up peaceful house parties, arresting people for insulting the covid gods by not putting a bit of face covering on their face etc. is what is extremist behaviour.

How the hell does this guy get away with spouting this absolute nonsense!!!
Totally irrelevant he is. And panicking his 5 minutes of fame is up.

gozunda · 05-03-2021 09:04AM

HansKroenke wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/zero-covid-vaccine-5369709-Mar2021/

Another national media publication. Read through the 10 steps and it is frightening how extreme these measures are. Again, these people do not think they are extremists for spouting this sort of stuff, which is disturbing. If you want, I can pull out individual posters' posts, but as I said, things like calling for the Gardai and army to break up peaceful house parties, arresting people for insulting the covid gods by not putting a bit of face covering on their face etc. is what is extremist behaviour.

No that's not explaining what was asked at all

You stated there were "exremists" who

HansKroenke wrote:

who express opinions about closing borders, how partying college students should be arrested, how the government are infallible and must be 100% supported

Asked who these "extremists" were you linked to a YouTube video of a media interview with a student from UL called Niamh and the Minister of Higher Education - Simon Harris. That these two two people were not only "extremists" but also part of a "mob".

You now introduced an opinion based article by Professor Sam McConkey which again fails to explain how any of the above are "extremists" viz.

a person who holds extreme political or religious views, especially one who advocates illegal, violent, or other extreme action.

But :eek: here's some of those "frightening" and "extreme" 10 steps from your linked article. Realy truely terrifyingly frightening ...

3. We need to make it easier for people to access GP care, by providing telephone translators for migrant workers, for example.

8. We can help people to do the right thing by providing organised financial support and voluntary practical support for those in isolation or restricted movements, to help with childcare, family caring, shopping, loneliness and isolation.

...

:rolleyes:

05-03-2021 09:06AM

gozunda wrote: »

If it's for some of the reasoning as outlined in this thread - it will be to our gain and some other countries loss.

Could you see why people mightn't like the idea of living in this new normal Ireland?

gozunda · 05-03-2021 09:18AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Could you see why people mightn't like the idea of living in this new normal Ireland?

I see a hell of a lot of daft exaggeration that because a pandemic somehow the "lockdown" and "level 5" restrictions will go on forever.

But I take it - you mean the fact we are in the midst of a pandemic ie a global outbreak of a virulent disease - that has affected every country on the planet.

That no country has been entirely without restrictions. That in Ireland it has already been detailed that restrictions will be rolled back as the risk of rising case numbers and as a consequence presure on our health services decrease.

That we are only at the start of our vaccination programme and need to continue to observe restrictions for the short term at least .

That it's required for people to have a bit of basic cop on.

Other than all that? No.

drunkmonkey · 05-03-2021 09:28AM

Cheers to all the people who haven't developed Stockholm syndrome yet.
Day 350 of the hostage situation and counting.

05-03-2021 09:34AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How the hell does this guy get away with spouting this absolute nonsense!!!
Totally irrelevant he is. And panicking his 5 minutes of fame is up.

McConkey and the media are a match made in heaven right now. He wants his 5 mins of fame and to spout nonsense. They want to sell fear and misery.

Unfortunately for both, the vaccines are here and normality will be returning sooner than later.

05-03-2021 09:43AM

Interesting suggestions from McConkey.

7. When people who have Covid-19 do not self-isolate after being advised and encouraged, then legal enforcement is needed.

It does seem on the positive side that this would stop perfectly healthy people seeking tests.

9. Local teams of outbreak management staff at village and town or parish area could visit households where outbreaks have occurred, to offer support, and provide pop-up testing in those areas. They could also investigate businesses where outbreaks have occurred, and provide education and encouragement for change to businesses where outbreaks are suspected.

Maybe we could provide them with brown shirts?

El_Duderino 09 · 05-03-2021 09:55AM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0304/1200855-coronavirus-ireland/

"The Deputy Chief Medical Officer has said that NPHET has been made aware of four preliminary reports of stillbirths in Ireland, that could potentially be associated with a condition called Covid Placentitis.

Dr Ronan Glynn said that these reports should be interpreted with caution as the coroners have not concluded their findings"

How about waiting until the coroners have concluded their findings......irresponsible from Glynn and NPHET.........

Because the news reports preliminary findings all the time. And as long as you report preliminary findings as preliminary findings, then it’s just giving the information as it stands right now.

Nobody objects to the research the vaccine reducing transmission rates being reported as long as it’s explained that they are preliminary findings which have not been peer reviewed yet. It’s normal. I have objected to the poster who called those preliminary findings “proof”.

Why would we object to RTE reporting preliminary findings on this topic? Would Is it because you think it doesn’t suit your general case that we should open up sooner rather than later?

El_Duderino 09 · 05-03-2021 10:05AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Cheers to all the people who haven't developed Stockholm syndrome yet.
Day 350 of the hostage situation and counting.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

...
Maybe we could provide them with brown shirts?

Hostage situation and Nazi references within a couple of posts.

Lads, time to have a relax.

If you’re feeling like a hostage or you feel persecution comparable to nazi Germany, then you’ve completely lost perspective on the whole situation.

Irish Stones · 05-03-2021 10:06AM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Yup agree Spain and Greece have no choice, they can't go on like this. Beaches will be packed this summer, guaranteed.

Then, in October, we'll have the ICU's packed. Guaranteed.

seansouth36 · 05-03-2021 10:07AM

gozunda wrote: »

I see a hell of a lot of daft exaggeration that because a pandemic somehow the "lockdown" and "level 5" restrictions will go on forever.

But I take it - you mean the fact we are in the midst of a pandemic ie a global outbreak of a virulent disease - that has affected every country on the planet.

That no country has been entirely without restrictions. That in Ireland it has already been detailed that restrictions will be rolled back as the risk of rising case numbers and as a consequence presure on our health services decrease.

That we are only at the start of our vaccination programme and need to continue to observe restrictions for the short term at least .

That it's required for people to have a bit of basic cop on.

Other than all that? No.

A lot of posters on this thread are like teenagers sulking because they are not allowed out - comparing Ireland to some sort of police state, and claiming its worse here than everywhere else and that restrictions will go on forever. They claim not to see any link between case numbers falling and lockdown yet will spout vague numbers of "mental health" casualties that apparently is coming down to the line due to this. They reject any authority over them as inherently compromised yet appeal to authority if that authority happens to be saying what they want to hear. Rather pathetic at this stage.

gozunda · 05-03-2021 10:07AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Interesting suggestions from McConkey.

7. When people who have Covid-19 do not self-isolate after being advised and encouraged, then legal enforcement is needed.

It does seem on the positive side that this would stop perfectly healthy people seeking tests.

Why in gods name would "perfectly healthy people" seek tests????

Cymro wrote:

Local teams of outbreak management staff at village and town or parish area could visit households where outbreaks have occurred, to offer support, and provide pop-up testing in those areas. They could also investigate businesses where outbreaks have occurred, and provide education and encouragement for change to businesses where outbreaks are suspected.

Maybe we could provide them with brown shirts?

When did the brown shirts engage in infectious disease management?

But as you say "suggestions". It's an opinion piece and certainly somewhat less deranged than half the stuff on this thread tbf.

HansKroenke · 05-03-2021 10:12AM

gozunda wrote: »

No that's not explaining what was asked at all

You stated there were "exremists" who

Asked who these "extremists" were you linked to a YouTube video of a media interview with a student from UL called Niamh and the Minister of Higher Education - Simon Harris. That these two two people were not only "extremists" but also part of a "mob".

You know introduced an opinion based article by Professor Sam McConkey which again fails to explain how any of the above are "extremists" viz.

But :eek: here's some of those "frightening" and "extreme" 10 steps from your linked article. Realy truely terrifyingly frightening ...

...

:rolleyes:

Hysterical and you are making a glaring oversight by dismissing the examples of extremists and what they are saying. To you, not seeing what they are saying as extreme is troubling, this is where my issue is. The saying "evil prevails when good fails to act" rings true with allowing the likes of those media publications and those given a platform to spout their extreme views.

HansKroenke · 05-03-2021 10:24AM

seansouth36 wrote: »

A lot of posters on this thread are like teenagers sulking because they are not allowed out - comparing Ireland to some sort of police state, and claiming its worse here than everywhere else and that restrictions will go on forever. They claim not to see any link between case numbers falling and lockdown yet will spout vague numbers of "mental health" casualties that apparently is coming down to the line due to this. They reject any authority over them as inherently compromised yet appeal to authority if that authority happens to be saying what they want to hear. Rather pathetic at this stage.

You were doing so well until your mental health nonsense was posted.

Under the age of 45, the death rate per 100k of the population is three times higher for suicides than covid. To dismiss mental health makes you seem kinda scummy.

SheepsClothing · 05-03-2021 10:24AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting suggestions from McConkey.

It does seem on the positive side that this would stop perfectly healthy people seeking tests.

Maybe we could provide them with brown shirts?

In this thread you see the same people wildly oscillating between moaning about anti-lockdown protests being associated with the far right, to the next moment accusing scientists and public health experts of being Nazis.

SheepsClothing · 05-03-2021 10:25AM

HansKroenke wrote: »

You were doing so well until your mental health nonsense was posted.

Under the age of 45, the death rate per 100k of the population is three times higher for suicides than covid. To dismiss mental health makes you seem kind of ignorant.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever to suggest suicide has increased during covid?

Plumbthedepths · 05-03-2021 10:28AM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Do you have any evidence whatsoever to suggest suicide has increased during covid?

It's very difficult to get any figures for Ireland at the moment as they usually realeased once a year but it was stopped last Summer.
A study from Japan carried by the BBC.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55837160

Silentcorner · 05-03-2021 10:35AM

seansouth36 wrote: »

A lot of posters on this thread are like teenagers sulking because they are not allowed out - comparing Ireland to some sort of police state, and claiming its worse here than everywhere else and that restrictions will go on forever. They claim not to see any link between case numbers falling and lockdown yet will spout vague numbers of "mental health" casualties that apparently is coming down to the line due to this. They reject any authority over them as inherently compromised yet appeal to authority if that authority happens to be saying what they want to hear. Rather pathetic at this stage.

How do explain the numbers declining but the obvious increase in people moving about in recent weeks?

People want to go back to work, to see their families, friends...get their lives back to some normality, be able to pay their bills like normal humans, the rest of Europe can achieve that faster than we can.

I just think there is a cohort of Irish people who are enjoying this abnormal time way too much! And haven't yet figured out they are about to be asked to pay for all this madness in the form of taxes or hugely inflated prices!!!

Samsonsmasher · 05-03-2021 10:37AM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Totally agree with you - I don't think it's some mad conspiracy but just a bunch of bureaucrats who are out of control and drunk on self importance, loving the limelight and as they are surrounded now in echo chambers bouncing off each other all day......

The problem is it is dangerous - on the Irish Times the most read story is the Glynn scare story over stillbirths - yes some people will do the research and check into it but many including many expectant mothers and couples will just lap it up and get stressed and worried.

The media has clearly shown it just trots out the NPHET briefings without question and of course in a headline it becomes fact for many people - I guarantee tonight there are women who have some anxiety over this.

This is being caused by irresponsible behaviour from NPHET and there seems to be no one who is prepared to question there behaviour who has the authority to change it.

If you don't believe in this BS if you question the 120000 deaths predicted by McConkey last year if you break the 5km restriction question wearing masks question the shut down of the economy and society and if you highlight the costs nationally and individually you get shouted down as a baby killer now by the covid mob and their NPHET high priests..

gozunda · 05-03-2021 10:42AM

HansKroenke wrote: »

Hysterical and you are making a glaring oversight by dismissing the examples of extremists and what they are saying. To you, not seeing what they are saying as extreme is troubling, this is where my issue is. The saying "evil prevails when good fails to act" rings true with allowing the likes of those media publications and those given a platform to spout their extreme views.

Not at all. You are simply avoiding the question asked about the bizarre idea that people you disagree with such as Niamh the student from UL are somehow "extremists" viz

a person who holds extreme political or religious views, especially one who advocates illegal, violent, or other extreme action.

No matter which way you look at it. The examples you've given certainty are not "extremists"

When will it all end?

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