How much is this all going to cost and who will pay for it ?

Renault 5 · 04-03-2021 07:15PM

Pinoy adventure wrote: »

The government need the extra taxes too pay wages for themselves

From Feb

IRELAND’S PUBLIC SERVANTS will receive pay increases of up to 3% over two years after unions overwhelmingly voted to back the new public sector pay agreement today.

The agreement will cost €906m or the equivalent of around 4% of the 2021 public service pay bill, spread over three years.

Ashleigh1986 · 04-03-2021 07:16PM

Real leaders would do the following before raising taxes for the ordinary ...
(1) Taoiseach take 20 % pay cut
(2) ministers take 15 % pay cut
(3) tds take 10% pay cut ...
Public sector workers on over €100,000 take 10% pay cut ...
They will of course do none of above , they will screw the middle class .

04-03-2021 07:16PM

We’ve being saying this on the restrictions thread for the last year. Unfortunately the penny hasn’t dropped for a lot of people yet.

I’ve seen plenty of posters saying the economy is fine and things will bounce right back. Sure it’s low interest free money they said.

The sad reality is that we have a huge deficit due to our inept handling of Covid. Instead of leading, our leaders delegated to a bunch of overpaid doctors with no economic experience.

Now we’ll have extra taxes and spending cuts to important services. There is no other way around it.

If you support restrictions, you asked for this.

ypres5 · 04-03-2021 07:16PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

And water is wet

Expect mass emigration numbers from Ireland once Covid passes

i know im sure as **** I'm leaving once im qualified.

Renault 5 · 04-03-2021 07:17PM

Allinall wrote: »

Do you expect them to work for free?

Would you?

So you are in favour with the Government and PS pay rises?

04-03-2021 07:17PM

Strumms wrote: »

He’s saying taxes will rise, but he isn’t speculating publicly anyway as to how much....

It could be a modest tax rise that over 5 years say will prove to have been prudent in continuing to ensure the recovery of the country post covid.. what extra they’ll get from business as opposed to citizens will be interesting.

How modest do you think the tax rises will be for a 14Bn deficit?
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/exchequer-deficit-swells-to-14bn-as-lockdown-hits-tax-take-1.4499249?mode=amp

Allinall · 04-03-2021 07:19PM

Renault 5 wrote: »

So you are in favour with the Government and PS pay rises?

Where did I say that?

Previous poster said they would need tax increases to pay their own wages, which is stating the bleeding obvious.

Renault 5 · 04-03-2021 07:21PM

I’m sure we will be very generous on foreign aid this year like nothing has happened in Ireland.

FlubberJones · 04-03-2021 07:25PM

The stinking ****ers tell us they want lockdowns until May, while still at the beginning of March and then start bleating about finances and increases in taxes a few days later... do they have no one that can advise on how to deal with people, simple customer care... such a pack of filthy clowns

And the comment on USC is well pointed out, that temporary ****ing measure is still here.

SeaMermaid · 04-03-2021 07:32PM

Is the pandemic more or less than the bank bailouts of 2008 to 2010. The austerity of the crash was brutal and it hit many people. The effects can be seen mainly in the housing crisis and the affordability of housing for younger people. More austerity is going to be brutal.

I thing the best thing now is to get the covid cases down and collapse the numbers right down with a harsh lockdown for a few weeks. Then open up with some restrictions on capacity until more vaccination is achieved. If that can't be implemented, maybe mass testing to find as much covid as possible and isolate cases while the country opens.

For Forks Sake · 04-03-2021 07:32PM

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Real leaders would do the following before raising taxes for the ordinary ...
(1) Taoiseach take 20 % pay cut
(2) ministers take 15 % pay cut
(3) tds take 10% pay cut ...

They will of course do none of above , they will screw the middle class .

Congratulations, you've saved €1.6m, Now where does the rest come from? :rolleyes:

These populist soundbites grind my gears

Renault 5 · 04-03-2021 07:35PM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Congratulations, you've saved €1.6m, Now where does the rest come from? :rolleyes:

These populist soundbites grind my gears

Nearly 1 billion in PS pay rises

Nearly 1 billion in foreign aid.

Now the bill has reduced from 14 to 12 billion

There’s a start.

But why bother.

The Guy or Girl on 30k working in a customer service desk can be raided to pay for that.

arse..biscuits · 04-03-2021 07:37PM

I smell a permanent temporary tax coming.

04-03-2021 07:38PM

SeaMermaid wrote: »

Is the pandemic more or less than the bank bailouts of 2008 to 2010. The austerity of the crash was brutal and it hit many people. The effects can be seen mainly in the housing crisis and the affordability of housing for younger people. More austerity is going to be brutal.

I thing the best thing now is to get the covid cases down and collapse the numbers right down with a harsh lockdown for a few weeks. Then open up with some restrictions on capacity until more vaccination is achieved. If that can't be implemented, maybe mass testing to find as much covid as possible and isolate cases while the country opens.

We’ve been in the harshest lockdown since October with slightly reduced restrictions for 3 weeks in December.

titan18 · 04-03-2021 07:40PM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Congratulations, you've saved €1.6m, Now where does the rest come from? :rolleyes:

These populist soundbites grind my gears

That paycut wouldn't affect them at all though. They'd still be rich and claiming a huge load of expenses. A 2% tax rise will seriously hurt some people. Itd also be a lot easier to stomach paying more when you don't see money being wasted all over the place like that and given away to others.

the kelt · 04-03-2021 07:40PM

Ye know all those posters who keep saying “fine if you don’t want to follow restrictions then you shouldn’t get a bed in hospital if you contract COVID”

Can it work the other way when it comes to paying extra tax

ye know like those zero COVID advocates, “oh you want zero COVID and more restrictions as a result, well are you happy to be the ones paying the extra tax for it so”

Vicxas · 04-03-2021 07:41PM

Surely during a global pandemic there should be some sort of global debt relief.

Dreaming i know

Fann Linn · 04-03-2021 07:42PM

Renault 5 wrote: »

Nearly 1 billion in PS pay rises

Nearly 1 billion in foreign aid.

Now the bill has reduced from 14 to 12 billion

There’s a start.

But why bother.

The Guy or Girl on 30k working in a customer service desk can be raided to pay for that.

Tbh, as a PS I didn't expect the pay deal. Did I vote to accept 'yes', but would I have been upset if there was none, 'no'. With three daughters who previously worked now all on some sort of PUP or ESS I think the govt should have put it on the long finger until we're out of this mess.

04-03-2021 07:44PM

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/news/tanaiste-leo-varadkar-commits-to-no-post-pandemic-tax-hikes-or-cuts-to-public-sector-pay-40100605.html

Hmmmmmm

Fann Linn · 04-03-2021 07:48PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/news/tanaiste-leo-varadkar-commits-to-no-post-pandemic-tax-hikes-or-cuts-to-public-sector-pay-40100605.html

Hmmmmmm

I wouldn't believe him. Wasn't he supposed to cut USC and help those who get up early in the mornings?

As he so ably illustrated , the only ones he helps are his so called friends/not friends.

namloc1980 · 04-03-2021 07:49PM

Wouldn't be surprised if private pensions get raided again also.

Will_I_Regret · 04-03-2021 07:50PM

They could cut a good chuck of that €14b if they cut the annual €5b+ government funding to useless NGOs.

zell12 · 04-03-2021 07:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

...when you are not paying the taxes.
VAT is at 23% so it can't be pushed higher.
...

Six other EU countries have higher VAT rates 24% - 27%, it can be increased further

04-03-2021 07:54PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

I wouldn't believe him. Wasn't he supposed to cut USC and help those who get up early in the mornings?

As he so ably illustrated , the only ones he helps are his so called friends/not friends.

I’m not so sure about that. I have a feeling he reduced the USC when he was in office but he was chucked out before it could be done away with completely. Although, I am open to correction on this.
It’s a real shame but the electorate get what they ask for.
Leo and Pascal would need to be in lockstep with this. Making us regular folk fit the bill for this isn’t going to go down well in the next GE. Then we will be in a real shambles!

SEPT 23 1989 · 04-03-2021 07:54PM

Can’t see it happening it will be warehoused using some bond or other and made disappear eventually by the ECB

Too many countries in the sh1t over this

Pinoy adventure · 04-03-2021 07:56PM

Renault 5 wrote: »

From Feb

IRELAND’S PUBLIC SERVANTS will receive pay increases of up to 3% over two years after unions overwhelmingly voted to back the new public sector pay agreement today.

The agreement will cost €906m or the equivalent of around 4% of the 2021 public service pay bill, spread over three years.

It should be increased by at least 5% because such is the job they are doing guiding us true this hard time

Ashleigh1986 · 04-03-2021 07:56PM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Congratulations, you've saved €1.6m, Now where d..oes the rest come from? :rolleyes:

These populist soundbites grind my gears

....I'm well aware how much it saves .
My suggestion what about showing leadership .
Something this country has been lacking for years .
If the elite don't take cuts in their salaries how in the name of God do they expect us to afford to take more taxes.

blackvalley · 04-03-2021 07:58PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Is there anything to be said for raiding the savings of all the people who felt no financial impact and in fact whose savings increased?

Great idea fantastic you should actually give Pascal a call . All them frontliners salting it away . Better still they were probably minting it on overtime as well . AND the pensioners they couldnt get out to spend money so must be loaded . Perhaps have a look at post office savings because all the first communion money is stashed away waiting for the big breakout . :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Allinall · 04-03-2021 07:59PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

...when you are not paying the taxes.
VAT is at 23% so it can't be pushed higher.
Business tax rates will be left as is because they are mobile.
The only victims they can tax are those in employment.

We had a 35% VAT rate in the 80s, so anything is possible.

Mr. Karate · 04-03-2021 07:59PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

So not only do they lock up their own citizens while flying others in unrestricted they now want us to pay for it... Roll on the next general election and we get these idiots out

If Varadkar wasn't already guaranteed to be Taoiseach again in December 2022 he would have already called for a dissolving of this Govt coalition and have called for a General Election.

Varadkar is as much of greedy psychopath like the rest in the Dail, but unlike the others he knows how to read the room.

How much is this all going to cost and who will pay for it ?

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