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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Drumpot wrote: »
    I advise people on life assurance. Nobody who takes out a life assurance policy ever thinks they will die. It is the same with Serious Illness cover and Income protection cover, people take these covers out and quite often don't think about it. The people who take it seriously are those who either know somebody who really needed these policies or if they personally experienced a reason to make a claim and generally people in the health industry have a decent understanding.

    This is how I view a lot of peoples views in these threads. They have little experience/understanding with risk or the effects of what is happening and they just don't think anything bad is going to happen. And so, because they dont percieve what is going on as a threat to them , they cant fully understand why certain measures need to be in place and why they need to follow them.

    The risk that anybody will catch this virus is still quite high and while its high, its unwise for people to gather in groupings with alcohol. Our knowledge and understanding of the virus is not comparable with the Flu as this is a novel virus only around a year. There is still a lot we do not know about it, including how different variants may evolve and what that may mean. Do not confuse this with sentiments that there should be indefinite lockdowns, this is said from the viewpoint that while the virus is widely prevalent and still relatively little data on the new variants it is more prudent to be more cautious at this time.

    This is part of the reason why there is such a scare mongering agenda in the media, because rightly or wrongly, the majority of people will be influenced by fear. A lot of people lack the capacity for critical and objective thinking when a proposal is put on front of them that is taking away something they want. Quite often people find it hard to conceptualize a danger and COVID has certainly exposed this deficiency in a lot of people who will only seek out the data and information that paints the picture they want to believe.

    There is a lot of noise surrounding discussions in these forums. There is a global pandemic and every country is doing what it feels it needs to do to reduce spread. Nobody has all the right answers or perfect way of managing this This is the simple truth . People making arbitrary decisions on how they will respond to restrictions is at best not helping. At the absolute best case scenario it will be a cost neutral situation where through sheer luck nobody gets the virus or passes it on. At a worst case scenario , people will get infected that can start clusters.

    In terms of people meeting up. If it was people meeting up , outdoors, without Alcohol, you would have more of a reasonable point. Why is alcohol a necessity with socializing? It is quite remarkable, this countries relationship with alcohol and the blind spot when trying to discuss it.

    Alcohol while Socializing is fine in a normal time. Alcohol while socializing in a time when we need people to keep their distance and general faculties while being around other people is unwise (some might say stupid). I can understand why people want to ignore common sense for a good night out, but it doesn't change the fact that its just the wrong thing on pretty much every level for a significant portion of the last 12 months.
    This is well written but you've completely ignored every point I made in my post


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Any student who breaks the laws around covid should have their entitlement to free fees removed, not told to write an essay as if they've been caught smoking behind the bike shed.

    If they broke the law, then it's up to AGS to address it. The essay thing is a contemptuous way to treat an adult.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    566 cases, 25 deaths

    5-day avg: 592

    7-day avg: 622
    (Last week: 738)

    14-day cases/100k: 199
    (Last week: 231)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Disappointing. Must have been an issue in a lab yesterday


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Disappointing. Must have been an issue in a lab yesterday

    What do you mean ?

    The trend is nearly always a Wednesday increase. Repeated week after week.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    I personally don't understand the mindset of parents that don't have older kids wearing masks, just "because" they don't have to. Is it that difficult to make a kid over 7 or 8 wear a mask ffs.

    Well personally I agree with you.

    People have really strong feelings about it, and a lot of it seems rooted in misinformation. I saw reasons for it listed as: believing they breathe in toxic air that will sicken them, belief that it's akin to child abuse, belief that it's too difficult for them to wear properly, etc. Someone on another thread said they saw teachers enforcing the rule being likened to murderers, but I haven't seen that myself.

    There's perhaps a valid point to the not wearing properly concern, and certainly the younger you go the more that's probably true.

    But many adults don't wear them properly yet we don't say ah well what can we do and make it voluntary.
    My older primary kids wore them every day to school no issue. I think very few will have a medical issue wearing a mask in the mainstream/non sn cohort, so in light of the new variant, poor to no ventilation and lack of social distancing and over crowding in the schools, this should be strongly considered. Especially until vaccinations are further along.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    566 cases, 25 deaths

    Seven day average in reported deaths is 18 down from 29 last Wednesday

    Seven day average in cases is 622, it was 738 last Wednesday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    If they broke the law, then it's up to AGS to address it. The essay thing is a contemptuous way to treat an adult.
    Those adults weren't exactly shy about dishing out the aul' contempt either.


    But either they should have issued a proper punishment or none at all. What they've opted for seems incredibly weak. No one is going to read the essays, and the students, who obviously already think the whole thing is a joke, will see these essays as further opportunity for "hilarity" and "sticking it to the man".


    Punishing students is bad for business, and above all else, NUIG is a business.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    The students are subject to fines just like the rest of the population.
    What's with the desire to discriminate?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Those adults weren't exactly shy about dishing out the aul' contempt either.


    But either they should have issued a proper punishment or none at all. What they've opted for seems incredibly weak. No one is going to read the essays, and the students, who obviously already think the whole thing is a joke, will see these essays as further opportunity for "hilarity" and "sticking it to the man".


    Punishing students is bad for business, and above all else, NUIG is a business.


    Nail on head. NUIG keeps a lot of landlords in Galway very wealthy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    The students are subject to fines just like the rest of the population.
    What's with the desire to discriminate?
    No desire to discriminate. I'd also think it was ridiculous if you or I were asked to write a reflective essay.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Ficheall wrote: »
    No desire to discriminate. I'd also think it was ridiculous if you or I were asked to write a reflective essay.

    So do you not think fines are sufficient? What extra punishment should they be given if you don't think fines are enough?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    ek motor wrote: »
    Nail on head. NUIG keeps a lot of landlords in Galway very wealthy.

    Same around every uni. They were essentially tricked into coming back. All the online learning has negated the reason for being there with the exception of labs etc.

    It was obvious 3rd level wouldn't return to anything resembling normality but where would that have left the landlords? up schitts creek. Students could have saved a tonne on rent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Same around every uni. They were essentially tricked into coming back. All the online learning has negated the reason for being there with the exception of labs etc.

    It was obvious 3rd level wouldn't return to anything resembling normality but where would that have left the landlords? up schitts creek. Students could have saved a tonne on rent.
    Massive kudos to WIT who announced in plenty of time last summer that all their upcoming courses would be online for the semester. Unlike NUIG et al. who said they weren't sure if in-person classes would go ahead, but encouraged people to try to get accommodation anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    That's great to know and very reassuring. Is the contact tracing going back more than 48 hours? i.e is it going back past the likely incubation period / time of infection?

    because if it is not then that's not really factually correct.

    For instance it allows me to say the following "infection didn't occur in the schools it occurred in the supermarket".

    Everyone has a house. Everyone goes to the supermarket. Do you see?

    Contact tracing? Apparently there are no close contacts in a school environment. For some unknown reason recommendations which apply everywhere else cease to apply as soon as one (or the virus) passes through school gates. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40237178.html "No member of staff or student has been deemed to be a close contact of the confirmed case by the HSE.”

    Burying our heads in the sand about close contacts in schools is only going to impede our path out of this pandemic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Enter name here


    So do you not think fines are sufficient? What extra punishment should they be given if you don't think fines are enough?

    30 days imprisonment for 1st offence, if they still stupid enough to break the rules again 90 days and each time there after doubling. Also expulsion from the university in question.


  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Same around every uni. They were essentially tricked into coming back. All the online learning has negated the reason for being there with the exception of labs etc.

    It was obvious 3rd level wouldn't return to anything resembling normality but where would that have left the landlords? up schitts creek. Students could have saved a tonne on rent.

    Yeah it was absolute madness. The students have been borderline scammed out of money by some of these universities not advising them to cancel on-campus accomodation for the year.

    Was always a recipe for disaster.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    30 days imprisonment for 1st offence, if they still stupid enough to break the rules again 90 days and each time there after doubling. Also expulsion from the university in question.

    Only applies to students, or to all society?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    30 days imprisonment for 1st offence, if they still stupid enough to break the rules again 90 days and each time there after doubling. Also expulsion from the university in question.

    :pac: No words for this nonsense tbh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Enter name here


    Only applies to students, or to all society?

    Everyone in society otherwise we are going to be in the never ending lockdown


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Everyone in society otherwise we are going to be in the never ending lockdown

    Don't worry , the vaccine is the way out of this as Israel shows. People can drop the authoritarian wet dreams.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Tpcl20


    Contact tracing? Apparently there are no close contacts in a school environment. For some unknown reason recommendations which apply everywhere else cease to apply as soon as one (or the virus) passes through school gates. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40237178.html "No member of staff or student has been deemed to be a close contact of the confirmed case by the HSE.”

    Burying our heads in the sand about close contacts in schools is only going to impede our path out of this pandemic.

    Did the student arrive at the door of the school and then feel sick and go home? Because that's the only eventuality where they haven't touched anything, contaminated air in the building or been around somebody for a period of time, in which case the school is irrelevant to them having been sick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    :pac: No words for this nonsense tbh

    It's funny to read though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,514 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    RTE pushing long Covid and variants hard tonight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,173 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Contact tracing? Apparently there are no close contacts in a school environment. For some unknown reason recommendations which apply everywhere else cease to apply as soon as one (or the virus) passes through school gates. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40237178.html "No member of staff or student has been deemed to be a close contact of the confirmed case by the HSE.”

    Burying our heads in the sand about close contacts in schools is only going to impede our path out of this pandemic.

    You've no idea of the details of this case to start throwing out baseless accusations like there are no close contacts in a school environment.

    After 12 months I thought people would stop pushing these conspiracy theories about schools.

    Seems not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    566 cases, 25 deaths

    5-day avg: 592

    7-day avg: 622
    (Last week: 738)

    14-day cases/100k: 199
    (Last week: 231)

    Feck that's a big jump from yesterday.. Hardly due to the schools reopening.. Very disappointing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,351 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    Feck that's a big jump from yesterday..

    Wednesday bump
    Hardly due to the schools reopening..

    You're right
    Very disappointing

    Not really, lower than this day last week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    Feck that's a big jump from yesterday.. Hardly due to the schools reopening.. Very disappointing

    The trend is important and it is still going down. 5, 7 and 14 days. Positivity below 5%, and by end of the month hopefully we may well be close to 200 per day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Drumpot wrote: »
    This post actually proves my point. Do you understand the concept of risk? Me going for a drink during a normal flu season and meeting up with friends is not the same as me going for a drink while there is a novel virus outbreak. If you think its comparable then I fear you lack perspective on the topic because they simply are not comparable.





    In normal times Quite often people do make decisions that will impact others and they are completely unaware of it, maybe some ignorance and sometimes genuine mistake and sometimes they are just selfish and dont care.

    A person choosing to go on a session with a group of other people today is a person making a very conscious choice to do something they know for a fact may have serious potential ramifications. Far more serious ramifications then a person doing the same thing 14 months ago, you cant ignore it. There can be no ambiguity or confusion, a person breaking the restrictions to socialize in this manner is doing so with full knowledge of how it could affect somebody.

    I do not judge or define people by their mistakes or even by being selfish. Its the sum of their parts. I can understand certain proportion of the population wanting certain social norms returning , but this is a part of their character that's deficient (maybe just ignorant) as far as I am concerned. They have chosen to let their wants override common sense (forgetting about the impacts on others, it is ridiculously stupid to do this when you don't know how the virus might impact your life) for a piss up.



    But most people are adhering to the law. Most people have bought into the Lockdown whether they like it or not. A few hundred people on Grafton street and extreme posters on boards do not represent the majority.

    None of this addresses the heart of my post which is that Many people are suffering in different ways, but most are trying to manage it in a way that doesn't affect the efforts to suppress the virus spread.

    First of all, there is no moral difference between going for a drink in a pub in flu season and going for a drink now. We know that both flu and Covid circulate in the community and that both can kill / debilitate. By being out in a pub in flu season, you have no definite control over whether you end up being a conduit for the virus to infect someone and kill / debilitate them. Yes, there is less risk of that happening with flu than Covid, but you are still doing something that feasibly can lead to someone dying — and in the last moments of life — the dying person and their loved ones will not be rejoicing at the fact that it’s only them dying. Without in any way comparing spreading infection with murder, this would be similar to drawing a moral distinction between murdering one person and murdering ten.

    Ultimately, going drinking in flu season is little more than a subconscious acceptance that you find the number of flu deaths to be at a tolerable level. In other words, at such a level that the preservation of normality outweighs the importance of stopping flu killing people. Morally, is it any more acceptable to allow flu to get out there and kill people — just because those susceptible to dying from flu are less in number? Does that mean (As I mentioned previously) that you are effectively saying to flu victims “oh there are less of you, so you can f**k off and die”? Of course not, you are making a moral call based on your own sense of proportionality.

    And if we can agree that proportionality is an important concept, then I’d invite you to consider the reality of what can happen when we act disproportionately. I’m not defending what these young people did, but what I am saying is that when we are a year into this pandemic and people still aren’t allowed to go more than 5km from their home, it is inevitable that cracks will appear and that compliance will slip. It doesn’t matter whether you think it’s right or wrong, good or bad — it’s simply understanding that even if you think restrictions are completely justified, it’s frankly delusional to assume that locking down society for months on end will not evoke some form of people losing the rag. A more proportionate approach in our restrictions might help to achieve better and more sustained compliance.

    Now, in fairness to you, you make reasonable points even if I disagree with them. Where I get angrier, and as you might have seen from my discussion with Bella, is when people come on here pontificating about how selfish others are and how they don’t care about people dying (the inference being that they are the ones who care). But they don’t care about others — they only care about others when there are enough of them to care about. It’s a question of number, not individual compassion. They will happily go back to the old world where disease spreads and they won’t lose a moment’s sleep about strangers dying of infectious illness all the time so long as the deaths stay at whatever arbitrary number they determine to be a price worth paying for their freedoms. Yet they will have the temerity to come on here and bash the morality of others.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,318 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    NUIG clearly dont hold those who broke restrictions up to much standard. That type punishment is for 10 year olds not supposed "adults"


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