Cheltenham 2021 Antepost

Anniepowaaa · 03-03-2021 1:08pm

Shemale wrote: »

I backed him in everything he was entered in NRNB, should win that very snugly.

latest exibition is going too the same race and will muller him

famagusta · 03-03-2021 1:13pm

Anniepowaaa wrote: »

latest exibition is going too the same race and will muller him

Thought the latest was that he wasn't on the boat at all, waiting for fairyhouse?

Anniepowaaa · 03-03-2021 1:17pm

famagusta wrote: »

Thought the latest was that he wasn't on the boat at all, waiting for fairyhouse?

has mentioned the irish national a while back but only heard him talking about the rsa which is a non goer with monkfish around and the nh chase lately

Slattsy · 03-03-2021 1:17pm

abarkie wrote: »

Cheltenham Weights announced

Good stuff

famagusta · 03-03-2021 2:17pm

abarkie wrote: »

Cheltenham Weights announced

Thanks!! What are the upper rating limits for the handicaps?

dicky dunne · 03-03-2021 3:47pm

Slattsy wrote: »

Glens of Antrim a very interesting one on his run behind The Stattler. That's good form, and she didn't jump that day at all.

similarly behind Mr Incredible as well who pulled well clear of the rest when runner up to Galliard Du Mesnil at Leopardstown

I've backed her today at 14s for the mares novice

dicky dunne · 03-03-2021 3:53pm

dicky dunne wrote: »

three that i like that i've backed NRNB today.

Longhouse Poet for the National Hunt Chase @ 25s, the form of his last win couldnt have worked out better with both Run for Fred (fav for Kim Muir) being 2nd in the Thyestes and The Big Dog winning next time out, rated 143 after his last race there may be adjustment to his current mark with both horses running well subsequently, the horse has grade 1 form over hurdles and both Codd and DOC have ridden him in the past so you'd be hopefully one might get the leg up again.

Rivere D'Etel for the Boodles @ 16s initially thought this was a grade 1 horse and heard good things from the Elliotts yard prior to her last run, she finished 3rd that day to Thedevilscoachman who has won subsequently and looks a possible player in the Supreme, Riviere was keen all throughout the race and found very little for pressure, she's been given an Irish mark 133 so looks very exploitable even if she gets an extra 4/5 lbs from the UK counterpart

Eskylane for the Martin Pipe @ 20s this horse is so well handicapped it might not even get in to a race unfortunately, classy performer in Bumpers last year when finishing 4th in the Champion, the horse bet Gabynako first out of hurdles, it's been well tried since but not to much avail, have to believe it is capable of running beyond its current mark of 133

All may not turn up or go for other engagements so i'd go with the NRNB firms if following in

Hard to know where this stands now with 2 Elliott selections but both Riviere D'Etel (same Irish mark) and Eskylane (+2lbs) have both been given a real chance by the UK handicapper

Longhouse Poet 25s now generally 11s
Riviere D'Etel 16s now generally 8s
Eskylane 20s now generally 14s

Slattsy · 03-03-2021 4:13pm

dicky dunne wrote: »

similarly behind Mr Incredible as well who pulled well clear of the rest when runner up to Galliard Du Mesnil at Leopardstown

I've backed her today at 14s for the mares novice

If i wasnt all over Hook Up I'd be all over Glens of Antrim :pac:

And i am worried I'm on the wrongun.

dicky dunne · 03-03-2021 4:15pm

Slattsy wrote: »

If i wasnt all over Hook Up I'd be all over Glens of Antrim :pac:

And i am worried I'm on the wrongun.

At the price it's no harm having a second dart in the race

realdanbreen · 03-03-2021 5:37pm

Motivator wrote: »

The markets for all the races has been turned on its head now, I can’t believe there hasn’t been a bigger reaction in the betting. I was full sure Envoi Allen would go evens or a shade of odds against yesterday. What’s happening is absolutely massive and the markets aren’t reflecting it. Someone mentioned that one of the bookies said it’ll be on the day when things could change but these are major changes we’re seeing.

There’s no way of knowing what way these horses are going to be affected but I know myself from a visit to Willie’s yard a few years ago that he has to have everything relaxed in the yard, horses are so highly strung and they pick up on everything. Imagine the chaos in Elliott’s yard the last few days? Those horses are now away from their normal stable, normal groom/work rider, in a completely different environment ahead of a huge two weeks of preparation and then they’ve to go travelling again to the UK.

I’ll be avoiding Elliott’s horses, leave them win but I couldn’t trust them now. Ruby said Willie takes his time with any horse that comes into the yard. French Asseel was only put through serious work last week or the week before and he was in the yard since the first week of January. Nichols got horses from Willie and he said it’s taken them an age to get comfortable and used to the new yard.

I know that a few at least of Gordon elliot's lads are going with the horses to Cheltenham.

Labaik · 04-03-2021 11:40am

Dreal Deal a doubtful runner now

Anniepowaaa · 04-03-2021 2:27pm

you would really wonder about some of these people on preview panels the amount of times I have heard people say they are against appreciate it due to the distance even though everyone that knows anything about the supreme knows you need a stayer due to the gallop they go

FatRat · 04-03-2021 2:31pm

It's very fashionable to be against a Supreme favourite like Appreciate It (remember the drift on shishkin the day before last year!)

But there isn't really a solid argument to be made for why he won't win, all I'm hearing is gut feeling. It's annoying too because I want to find the winner outside of the fav but I can't.

Motivator · 04-03-2021 2:37pm

Anniepowaaa wrote: »

you would really wonder about some of these people on preview panels the amount of times I have heard people say they are against appreciate it due to the distance even though everyone that knows anything about the supreme knows you need a stayer due to the gallop they go

I’d rather hear that then the comical shout of “he just wins”. I cringe every time I hear it.

Slattsy · 04-03-2021 2:39pm

FatRat wrote: »

It's very fashionable to be against a Supreme favourite like Appreciate It (remember the drift on shishkin the day before last year!)

But there isn't really a solid argument to be made for why he won't win, all I'm hearing is gut feeling. It's annoying too because I want to find the winner outside of the fav but I can't.

Good ground the only concern. If it was soft he'd be a lump job. Believe it or not i cashed out my 20/1 Ballyadam slip months ago. I have AI in some multiples, other than that i'm leaving the race alone.

Coneygree · 04-03-2021 2:54pm

Anniepowaaa wrote: »

you would really wonder about some of these people on preview panels the amount of times I have heard people say they are against appreciate it due to the distance even though everyone that knows anything about the supreme knows you need a stayer due to the gallop they go

Haven't heard anyone go against him because of the distance, rather the only slight on him is the ground and perhaps that he doesn't get up the hill quick enough. Ground is definitely viable but I think he gets up the hill alright.

Labaik · 04-03-2021 4:01pm

Anybody listen to the lets talk racing podcast on Youtube. Good to see Father Austin Purcell doing a bit after his gig in Fr Ted

The Rooster · 05-03-2021 1:07pm

Maybe this is well known but Sky Sports Racing said this morning that Jack Kennedy will ride Minella Indo in the Gold Cup for Henry DeB (Rachael on A Plus Tard).

Slattsy · 05-03-2021 1:40pm

The Rooster wrote: »

Maybe this is well known but Sky Sports Racing said this morning that Jack Kennedy will ride Minella Indo in the Gold Cup for Henry DeB (Rachael on A Plus Tard).

At the prices I'd be backing MI.

zpehtsfd · 05-03-2021 8:16pm

Patrick Mullins not turning pro for Cheltenham.

So Townend on Sharjah and Appreciate it. Wonder who gets the ride on Melon.

Anniepowaaa · 05-03-2021 9:06pm

zpehtsfd wrote: »

Patrick Mullins not turning pro for Cheltenham.

So Townend on Sharjah and Appreciate it. Wonder who gets the ride on Melon.

Danny

stretchaq · 06-03-2021 1:08am

zpehtsfd wrote: »

Patrick Mullins not turning pro for Cheltenham.

So Townend on Sharjah and Appreciate it. Wonder who gets the ride on Melon.

Disappointed with this I think he rides Sharjah great have no issue with Townsend just like Patrick/Sharjah combo

Plasandrunt · 07-03-2021 3:12am

According to timeform Galvin has moved to Ian Ferguson

https://www.timeform.com/horse-racing/racecards/cheltenham/2021-03-16/1650/10/7

Slattsy · 07-03-2021 1:42pm

Plasandrunt wrote: »

According to timeform Galvin has moved to Ian Ferguson

https://www.timeform.com/horse-racing/racecards/cheltenham/2021-03-16/1650/10/7

D****

Darc19 · 07-03-2021 10:31pm

The Shunter ran a great race in Kelso yesterday. Won at 5/2

Odds for county hurdle now 7's-10's

Similar odds for PP plate and challenge cup

Interesting to see which one he runs in. The county hurdle would give an extra couple of days rest, so I hope that will be the target.

NaiveMelodies · 07-03-2021 11:58pm

Darc19 wrote: »

The Shunter ran a great race in Kelso yesterday. Won at 5/2

Odds for county hurdle now 7's-10's

Similar odds for PP plate and challenge cup

Interesting to see which one he runs in. The county hurdle would give an extra couple of days rest, so I hope that will be the target.

His chase form was franked today. He might be less exposed over fences.
Saturday was a tough slog regardless, would be some effort if he won the bonus.

Slattsy · 08-03-2021 10:12am

When is the next declaration stage for the handicaps?

maximo31 · 08-03-2021 11:20am

Could be time to set up a page for each day of Cheltenham? It was done around this date last year......

Plasandrunt · 08-03-2021 11:24am

Slattsy wrote: »

When is the next declaration stage for the handicaps?

6 days decs start from Wednesday

Slattsy · 08-03-2021 11:33am

Plasandrunt wrote: »

6 days decs start from Wednesday

Great, wasnt sure!

The Hoarse Whisperer · 08-03-2021 12:07pm

A horse thats interesting me at the moment is VINNDICATION. Entered in the Gold Cup and the Stayers Hurdle at 40s and 20s. Looks overpriced in both to me. Has gone off favourite in 9 of his last 10 races against some decent animals so has obviously been well regarded, goes well fresh and ran a cracker off top weight in the Ultima at last years festival. Sure it might be hard to see him beating the principles in either but really think he can outrun his odds especially given the improvement weve seen in Kim Baileys horses this season. Perhaps grab at place a big odds. Ya never know!

Niallers87 · 08-03-2021 9:50pm

The Hoarse Whisperer wrote: »

A horse thats interesting me at the moment is VINNDICATION. Entered in the Gold Cup and the Stayers Hurdle at 40s and 20s. Looks overpriced in both to me. Has gone off favourite in 9 of his last 10 races against some decent animals so has obviously been well regarded, goes well fresh and ran a cracker off top weight in the Ultima at last years festival. Sure it might be hard to see him beating the principles in either but really think he can outrun his odds especially given the improvement weve seen in Kim Baileys horses this season. Perhaps grab at place a big odds. Ya never know!

They talked up his chances on the paddy power preview this evening

The Hoarse Whisperer · 08-03-2021 11:32pm

Niallers87 wrote: »

They talked up his chances on the paddy power preview this evening

Thanks. Just watched it back there. Frank Hickey says they have him priced at 12s now for the Stayers and could possibly go off at half that if he turns up! Yet I can see Will Hills has him out as far as 22s. 10 point difference and almost double the price. Well I can say I probably wouldnt be backing him at 6s anyway, perhaps at 12s but definately looks a bet at 22s to me.

madmoose · 09-03-2021 7:25am

The Hoarse Whisperer wrote: »

Thanks. Just watched it back there. Frank Hickey says they have him priced at 12s now for the Stayers and could possibly go off at half that if he turns up! Yet I can see Will Hills has him out as far as 22s. 10 point difference and almost double the price. Well I can say I probably wouldnt be backing him at 6s anyway, perhaps at 12s but definately looks a bet at 22s to me.

Hills aren’t nrnb but ladbrokes and coral are at 20/1

del roy · 09-03-2021 9:55am

Vinndication has not been seen in competitive action since unseating his rider in the Ladbrokes Trophy at Newbury in November.

“If we were to run Vinndication in the Stayers’, David Bass would ride – so therefore when we were working the horses this morning, it was important Ciaran Gethings had the chance to sit on Younevercall (with a view to riding at Cheltenham),” said Bailey

“I’m sitting on the fence at this moment in time with Vinndication. It will probably be the end of next week before we make a decision – as close as possible (to the meeting).

“He’s been schooling over fences and hurdles, and I really want to see where I am.

“My biggest problem with him is the last time he ran was at Newbury, and he unseated. Until he parted company with his jockey, he was jumping brilliantly and I need to have it in my own mind that he can do that again (to run in the Gold Cup).

“It’s a difficult one for everybody. I don’t want to say one way or t’other, and then change my mind.”

Trainer

maximo31 · 09-03-2021 10:27am

Joseph O'Brien Cheltenham horses :
https://cheltenham.attheraces.com/stable-tours/joseph-o'brien

Labaik · 09-03-2021 10:42am

del roy wrote: »

Vinndication has not been seen in competitive action since unseating his rider in the Ladbrokes Trophy at Newbury in November.

“If we were to run Vinndication in the Stayers’, David Bass would ride – so therefore when we were working the horses this morning, it was important Ciaran Gethings had the chance to sit on Younevercall (with a view to riding at Cheltenham),” said Bailey

“I’m sitting on the fence at this moment in time with Vinndication. It will probably be the end of next week before we make a decision – as close as possible (to the meeting).

“He’s been schooling over fences and hurdles, and I really want to see where I am.

“My biggest problem with him is the last time he ran was at Newbury, and he unseated. Until he parted company with his jockey, he was jumping brilliantly and I need to have it in my own mind that he can do that again (to run in the Gold Cup).

“It’s a difficult one for everybody. I don’t want to say one way or t’other, and then change my mind.”

Trainer

Bailey is some horseman. You can just tell by those short quotes he has the horses best interests at heart. Would love to see First Flow win the CC for him.

famagusta · 09-03-2021 11:39am

Bet 365 finally gone NRNB, the prices are terrible though, really shortened everything.
they obviously weren't keen on getting involved antepost this year which is odd as they are usually one of the first?!

Dr. Bre · 09-03-2021 11:40am

Paddy power giving a fiver free bet everyday apart from gold cup day

Slattsy · 09-03-2021 11:44am

famagusta wrote: »

Bet 365 finally gone NRNB, the prices are terrible though, really shortened everything.
they obviously weren't keen on getting involved antepost this year which is odd as they are usually one of the first?!

Must be a week now. Where d**** have you been!! :pac:

famagusta · 09-03-2021 12:22pm

Slattsy wrote: »

Must be a week now. Where d**** have you been!! :pac:

Ah i seen it at the weekend alright, took a few days to get over the shock!!

I don't know what the story is this year though, bookies very late at the antepost..

The build up is a bit low key this year

Widdensushi · 09-03-2021 12:28pm

famagusta wrote: »

Ah i seen it at the weekend alright, took a few days to get over the shock!!

I don't know what the story is this year though, bookies very late at the antepost..

The build up is a bit low key this year

I don't agree, Gordon elliot and Cheltenham have been anything but low key

Slattsy · 09-03-2021 1:22pm

famagusta wrote: »

Ah i seen it at the weekend alright, took a few days to get over the shock!!

I don't know what the story is this year though, bookies very late at the antepost..

The build up is a bit low key this year

If you know a horses destination then AP going this late was fantastic, as you could see horses prices with other firms much shorter as they were nrnb. Could still get 10/1 when horses were 5/6s elsewhere.

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