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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    did you not know the UK Variant is a new virus exclusively to the Republic Of Ireland

    That professor will be sad when he finds out

    We need a Minister for Variants.

    A school teacher will do....preferably a woman, for optics.


  • Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    An Oxford professor came out today and said that society needs to stop obsessing over these new variants. He’s actually over the running of the trials for AstraZeneca and doesn’t seem too concerned about them so I’d wager he’d know a damn sight more than Monty Burns Martin.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9315813/amp/Coronavirus-Oxford-vaccine-professor-says-UK-ditch-obsession-Covid-variants.html

    I read that article. Contrast what that professor is saying with what McConkey, Stains, Ryan et al have been saying. I was thinking to myself the other day that all of the extremist voices are in Ireland, the UK and the US. McConkey, Ryan, Scally, Staines, and NPHET in Ireland. SAGE in the UK. Fauci in the US. 24/7 doom and gloom and pessimism. I read articles about Australia and, apart from Victoria which is horrible, there doesn't seem to be anything near the level of hysteria you get in those three countries. But, as I've pointed out several times, Ireland stands alone in having no opposition, be it in the media or in politics.


  • Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    People spouting sh*te does not equate to balanced media.

    They provide an opposition. There's no opposition in Ireland. It's the only democratic country in the world where there's no opposition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,786 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    <Snip>

    Ignored threadban. One week forum ban


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They provide an opposition. There's no opposition in Ireland. It's the only democratic country in the world where there's no opposition.

    Opposition is not rolling out complete sh*te for the sake of it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Agreed.

    We were told about the lack of the health system to cope.

    But what proactive steps did they take from March last year to assist and burgeon the health system thereafter?

    It seems pretty minimal.

    Did they even learn any lessons from the first surge regarding care homes?

    Because it seems they didn't...


  • Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Opposition is not rolling out complete sh*te for the sake of it

    On Talk Radio, for example, they regularly interview Professor Hugh Pennington, Professor David Salisbury, among others. All Irish media outlets interview the same 4 or 5 people. No opposition, no alternative viewpoint.

    It's irrelevant what you think about the media outlets I mentioned. It doesn't change the fact that they provide an alternative viewpoint that is not heard in Ireland, be it in the media or in the Dáil.


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And yet you can't name one expert on Irish media who has been consistently accurate in their assessment as how this pandemic was going to play out!!!

    They have all been spouting s##te (to use your terminology) which people swallowed without question.

    The is tiresome at this stage. Actions were taken that changed outcome. There is a concept called cause and effect.

    Now why is this seasonal virus that has fallen since Christmas because the virus season is ending now surging once more in lots of Eastern Europe? Surely the “experts” who predicted a winter surge followed by a fall off as happens with endemic viruses every year cannot be wrong. They are not charlatans proffering easy answers to build a contrarian name for themselves by any chance?


  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    On Talk Radio, for example, they regularly interview Professor Hugh Pennington, Professor David Salisbury, among others. All Irish media outlets interview the same 4 or 5 people. No opposition, no alternative viewpoint.

    It's irrelevant what you think about the media outlets I mentioned. It doesn't change the fact that they provide an alternative viewpoint that is not heard in Ireland, be it in the media or in the Dáil.

    Those speakers just parrot the same view.

    It's embarrassing.

    NPHET a la intellectuals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,238 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    More positive vibes coming from the deputy CMO. Talking about how vaccines have had an impact of infections in HCWs and the very vulnerable groups. Seems to be a subtle shift in messaging coming from NPHET recently. Maybe it's the news of vaccines coming in or a certain person missing from the equation but it's good to see.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Anyone watching John Mc Guirk on Prime Time? He’s making some excellent points. Lashing RTE out of it to be honest


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,464 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    primetime host getting leathered by that john mcgurk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭MOR316


    JRant wrote: »
    More positive vibes coming from the deputy CMO. Talking about how vaccines have had an impact of infections in HCWs and the very vulnerable groups. Seems to be a subtle shift in messaging coming from NPHET recently. Maybe it's the news of vaccines coming in or a certain person missing from the equation but it's good to see.

    I'll go with the latter. Was the same before


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭MOR316


    primetime host getting leathered by that john mcgurk

    Aye and I saw the dismissive, patronising looks Louise Byrne was giving him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭Normal One


    Anyone watching John Mc Guirk on Prime Time? He’s making some excellent points. Lashing RTE out of it to be honest

    Richmond lobbing the unidentified bogey man at us, as usual.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    JRant wrote: »
    More positive vibes coming from the deputy CMO. Talking about how vaccines have had an impact of infections in HCWs and the very vulnerable groups. Seems to be a subtle shift in messaging coming from NPHET recently. Maybe it's the news of vaccines coming in or a certain person missing from the equation but it's good to see.

    I do like Ronan G.

    He’s a warmer individual than his predecessor, he talks like he’s one of us

    Seems to have a gentle nature


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    On Talk Radio, for example, they regularly interview Professor Hugh Pennington, Professor David Salisbury, among others. All Irish media outlets interview the same 4 or 5 people. No opposition, no alternative viewpoint.

    It's irrelevant what you think about the media outlets I mentioned. It doesn't change the fact that they provide an alternative viewpoint that is not heard in Ireland, be it in the media or in the Dáil.

    Country of 5 million people having less epidemiology experts than one with 50million shocker. If 5% of experts go against the grain you are more likely to find a few of them in a large country.
    Having said that, Luke O’Neill is always on the media and since the vaccines has been extremely positive. The likes of Kingston mills is very balanced. This thread only wants to listen to mcconkey and their ilk so they can continue to whip themselves into a frenzy about how negative the media is, choosing to get angry rather than read balanced views that are widely available


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    The is tiresome at this stage. Actions were taken that changed outcome. There is a concept called cause and effect.

    Now why is this seasonal virus that has fallen since Christmas because the virus season is ending now surging once more in lots of Eastern Europe? Surely the “experts” who predicted a winter surge followed by a fall off as happens with endemic viruses every year cannot be wrong. They are not charlatans proffering easy answers to build a contrarian name for themselves by any chance?

    You do realize that all viral infections do not behave the same way in every country for a myriad of reasons....all we need to be concerned with is ours.

    You can't name an expert on Irish media who has been accurate in their assessment on how Covid will behave but there are plenty of experts out there who have been accurate...who correctly predicted how this was going to go...

    I showed you a video of one such person and you called him a loon...he was anti lock down advocating a Swedish approach....I spoke with you before about alternate opinions on media and you dismissed the possibility as catering to loons on the internet I think was how you put it.

    It's not my fault you haven't exposed yourself to alternate opinions on vital issues regarding Covid...if you could show me one expert, just one, who has been consistently accurate then I'd happily listen to them....but you can't even do that!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Breaston Plants


    Jaysus, yer man on Primetime was excellent. Had Louise Byrne well and truly rattled.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    And then afterwards they went straight into a segment about graveyards and DEATH. Death caused by COVID! And FUNERALS! Lest your moral compass need readjusting after McGuirk


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Jaysus, yer man on Primetime was excellent. Had Louise Byrne well and truly rattled.

    She was shook it was gas


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside




    The Actual organiser of the protest is interviewed here (from about 5 minutes).
    Please listen to her and tell me she comes across as Far Right.

    As I said before the protest the organisers were mostly hippy types.


  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I do like Ronan G.

    He’s a warmer individual than his predecessor, he talks like he’s one of us

    Seems to have a gentle nature

    I don't.

    He's what I refer to as the Eternal Prefect; back to school to collect the awards for being Mr. Nice Guy.

    You cannot trust someone as quiet and seemingly humble as him.

    He is Chairman Holohan with a dress and badly waxed hair.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,989 ✭✭✭Russman


    Jaysus, yer man on Primetime was excellent. Had Louise Byrne well and truly rattled.

    Yeah, advocating not joining the EU vaccine purchase scheme was clever alright.......the mind boggles.


  • Posts: 949 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The is tiresome at this stage. Actions were taken that changed outcome. There is a concept called cause and effect.

    Now why is this seasonal virus that has fallen since Christmas because the virus season is ending now surging once more in lots of Eastern Europe? Surely the “experts” who predicted a winter surge followed by a fall off as happens with endemic viruses every year cannot be wrong. They are not charlatans proffering easy answers to build a contrarian name for themselves by any chance?

    This is tiresome at this stage.

    Surges do not preclude seasonality, particularly in the presence of new, more transmissible variants. It is entirely possible, if not probable, that Covid-19 has a seasonal element to it and that a surge in Eastern European countries is being caused by the much more transmissible UK variant (it is).

    Seasonal does not mean that it disappears completely during the summer, just that it is much less common then. Indeed, the double-whammy of seasonality combined with close proximity to the origin of the UK variant (and a few other factors, including our population being so massively concentrated in one small-ish city) could well explain why Ireland shot so quickly to the highest numbers in the world in December/January. And why, as that variant has spread, the picture has changed with it.

    I can understand why surges in other locations would be alarming if you were one of the people who held that The Irish are just a bunch of very naughty lads and committed some sort of heresy at Christmas time by visiting with family and patronising opened businesses. On the other hand, if you recognised that Ireland's large surge was a result of the arrival of the UK variant, then the fact that other places a little further afield are seeing that same surge with that same variant should not come as a surprise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,577 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009




    The Actual organiser of the protest is interviewed here (from about 5 minutes).
    Please listen to her and tell me she comes across as Far Right.

    As I said before the protest the organisers were mostly hippy types.

    She sounds baked off her skull


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You do realize that all viral infections do not behave the same way in every country for a myriad of reasons....all we need to be concerned with is ours.

    You can't name an expert on Irish media who has been accurate in their assessment on how Covid will behave but there are plenty of experts out there who have been accurate...who correctly predicted how this was going to go...

    I showed you a video of one such person and you called him a loon...he was anti lock down advocating a Swedish approach....I spoke with you before about alternate opinions on media and you dismissed the possibility as catering to loons on the internet I think was how you put it.

    It's not my fault you haven't exposed yourself to alternate opinions on vital issues regarding Covid...if you could show me one expert, just one, who has been consistently accurate then I'd happily listen to them....but you can't even do that!!!

    Christ almighty. Cause and effect exists. Nobody, not least the good Limerick doctor predicted what would happen with massive restrictions. They made predictions based on uncontrolled spread.

    Now choose to believe that because I can see through the empty rhetoric of charlatans is evidence of not taking alternative viewpoints.

    It’s obvious though you have swallowed the contrarian koolaid, and at every point that your heroes lies are shown up will retreat to the next easy answer. Up to this week it was “seasonal”. Now that many countries are starting a second winter/spring surge it will pivot to something else. The talking points have not emerged yet do all you can say is “different countries, myriad of reason” until your heroes come up with the next easy answer.

    Thank Christ the vaccine will rid us of this soon enough, but your heroes will claim is was actually exactly as they predicted and nothing to do with vaccines and you no doubt will lap up every word


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    Jaysus, yer man on Primetime was excellent. Had Louise Byrne well and truly rattled.


    'yer man' is John McGurk. An intelligent man and not afraid to call it as it is.
    Heartening to witness him putting that little smug blueshirt firmly back in his box.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭Salvation Tambourine


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Aye and I saw the dismissive, patronising looks Louise Byrne was giving him

    She had absolutely no interest in listening to him.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    She sounds baked off her skull

    Agreed but quite the opposite of a far-right violent lunatic


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