Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

Silentcorner · 02-03-2021 08:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I hope you're right, but I don't share your optimism I'm afraid that they could never be reintroduced as it would be both politically (and socially) unacceptable. There's no opposition in the Dáil. There's no media opposition and the vast majority of the public support the measures, and a lot of people want even harsher restrictions introduced. England is in a similar both, but the situation over there is a bit different. You have a bizarre situation in England whereby the opposition agrees with the government on everything and the only opposition is within the Conservative Party itself (Sir Graham Brady, Sir Charles Walker et al). There's also opposition from the media over there (The Daily Mail, Talk Radio, The Telegraph, for example). It doesn't matter whether people think they're any good because it still means that there's opposition. Where would the opposition come from in Ireland? Ireland may be unique in the world (or at least in the Western world) in having no conservative media.

It's a weird quirke of Irish society, we go in flock form...all conservative political parties and media for decades, then gradually shift the opposite way, normally way behind the pace of other countries around us, now we have no conservative media outlets or political parties as such.

We hate those who don't follow the flock...with a passion unseen anywhere else.

Our unique and antiquated Political System rooted in parochialism doesn't help, it's very hard for new political entities to make a dent.

02-03-2021 08:33PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

It's a weird quirke of Irish society, we go in flock form...all conservative political parties and media for decades, then gradually shift the opposite way, normally way behind the pace of other countries around us, now we have no conservative media outlets or political parties as such.

We hate those who don't follow the flock...with a passion unseen anywhere else.

Our unique and antiquated Political System rooted in parochialism doesn't help, it's very hard for new political entities to make a dent.

I find it very puzzling. England has a number of conservative media outlets, or at least outlets that can be relied upon to offer an opposing viewpoint when it's needed. And it's not as though Ireland is a millions miles away from England. It's next door. And yet there's no opposition here to speak of. You have doctors, scientists and MPs on Talk Radio every day putting pressure on the government, but nothing in Ireland.

02-03-2021 08:34PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

It's a weird quirke of Irish society, we go in flock form...all conservative political parties and media for decades, then gradually shift the opposite way, normally way behind the pace of other countries around us, now we have no conservative media outlets or political parties as such.

We hate those who don't follow the flock...with a passion unseen anywhere else.

Our unique and antiquated Political System rooted in parochialism doesn't help, it's very hard for new political entities to make a dent.

Apart from moving from a political system where 90%+ of the representatives were from 2 parties to one where no grouping has more than 25% of the representatives and between Sinn Fein, SD’s, Assorted left, independent alliance more than 40% of votes now go to grouping who were practical nonentities less than 15 years ago.

02-03-2021 08:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Apart from moving from a political system where 90%+ of the representatives were from 2 parties to one where no grouping has more than 25% of the representatives and between Sinn Fein, SD’s, Assorted left, independent alliance more than 40% of votes now go to grouping who were practical nonentities less than 15 years ago.

But the political parties are virtually identical in every respect. The only opposition comes from a few independents. And a handful of independents can't achieve much.

02-03-2021 08:43PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But the political parties are virtually identical in every respect. The only opposition comes from a few independents. And a handful of independents can't achieve much.

No they aren’t. Because when faced with the same data they draw the same conclusions doesn’t make them the same.

Silentcorner · 02-03-2021 08:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Apart from moving from a political system where 90%+ of the representatives were from 2 parties to one where no grouping has more than 25% of the representatives and between Sinn Fein, SD’s, Assorted left, independent alliance more than 40% of votes now go to grouping who were practical nonentities less than 15 years ago.

The SDs, the other Far left parties are meaningless, the Independents have managed more influence than they have had...

It took the collapse of the Property Market, the Financial System, another lost generation to emigration and the exposure of the corruption in Dublin Planning Department with Senior Politicians to break the stranglehold of the main parties, they still haven't recovered their previous levels of support nor will they...

But only 3 parties can really compete for all seats in National Elections in this country, FF/Fg/Sf...the rest haven't a hope, which is why, despite their calamitous handling of the Irish economy over the decades look who is back in power!! It is them or SF....

Silentcorner · 02-03-2021 08:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No they aren’t. Because when faced with the same data they draw the same conclusions doesn’t make them the same.

Are they getting the same data as every other political party in the world?

FintanMcluskey · 02-03-2021 09:00PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Are they getting the same data as every other political party in the world?

It seems they are still working off the data from Lombardy early last year

ypres5 · 02-03-2021 09:04PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It seems they are still working off the data from Lombardy early last year

and on top of that we've got exclusive information that the uk variant is like a whole new virus. it doesn't look like any other country has kopped that though only ireland

02-03-2021 09:14PM

ypres5 wrote: »

and on top of that we've got exclusive information that the uk variant is like a whole new virus. it doesn't look like any other country has kopped that though only ireland

That's something I'm curious about. Is it only in Ireland where this non-stop hysteria and 'new virus' stuff dominates daily life? England has heavy restrictions, but, as I pointed out, there's opposition over there in the form of Talk Radio, The Daily Mail, The Telegraph, The Covid Recovery Group, and, perhaps most significant of all, Lord Sumption, a former Supreme Court Judge no less, who has since March of last year spoken out against the hysteria, the destruction of society, the increasingly authoritarian government and police, and the implications all of that will have in and for the future. But nothing but 24/7 hysteria in Ireland. And, as I said, I could understand the huge difference if the countries were polar opposites, but they're literally next door to each other. It's very puzzling.

02-03-2021 09:14PM

ypres5 wrote: »

and on top of that we've got exclusive information that the uk variant is like a whole new virus. it doesn't look like any other country has kopped that though only ireland

It's quite amazing how they've even attempted this.

A variant by definition is a version of something that already exists, yet they have decided to use the words "new virus".

NPHET has augmented this delusion, even though they pride themselves on being neutral and objective.

It's enough to make you sick.

Boggles · 02-03-2021 09:17PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It seems they are still working off the data from Lombardy early last year

Or early last week.

Italy’s Lombardy again in virus crisis as Brescia sees surge

ypres5 · 02-03-2021 09:21PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's quite amazing how they've even attempted this.

A variant by definition is a version of something that already exists, yet they have decided to use the words "new virus".

NPHET has augmented this delusion, even though they pride themselves on being neutral and objective.

It's enough to make you sick.

if the press were worth a curse in this country the government and nphet would be called out and ridiculed for peddling such a falsehood to the public. it's a blatant abuse of power but the papers and radio and rte just regurgitate it verbatim

02-03-2021 09:24PM

ypres5 wrote: »

if the press were worth a curse in this country the government and nphet would be called out and ridiculed for peddling such a falsehood to the public. it's a blatant abuse of power but the papers and radio and rte just regurgitate it verbatim

They would be in England. Talk Radio, The Daily Mail, Lord Sumption, Peter Hitchens, and The Telegraph would be on their back. But this is the problem when you have no media.

Boggles · 02-03-2021 09:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They would be in England. Talk Radio, The Daily Mail, Lord Sumption, Peter Hitchens, and The Telegraph would be on their back. But this is the problem when you have no media.

Bastions of journalistic integrity.

ypres5 · 02-03-2021 09:27PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They would be in England. Talk Radio, The Daily Mail, Lord Sumption, Peter Hitchens, and The Telegraph would be on their back. But this is the problem when you have no media.

the whole thing is just turning into a bloated retelling of the emperor's new clothes. deep down the press know the variant string along is bull**** but they're so afraid of getting lumped in with the 'bad' people they'll just do the bare minimum

normanoffside · 02-03-2021 09:28PM

ypres5 wrote: »

and on top of that we've got exclusive information that the uk variant is like a whole new virus. it doesn't look like any other country has kopped that though only ireland

I'd bet it's not actually more transmissible at all. Just that it showed up in winter when viruses tend to be more transmissible anyway.

ypres5 · 02-03-2021 09:29PM

Boggles wrote: »

Bastions of journalistic integrity.

don't know anything about hitchens or sumpton but what's wrong with talk radio and the telegraph other than their right leaning

02-03-2021 09:30PM

Boggles wrote: »

Bastions of journalistic integrity.

Irrelevant. They still provide opposition. And the opinion of a former Supreme Court judge carries weight.

Ireland is unique in the world for having zero opposition in the media and in politics.

FintanMcluskey · 02-03-2021 09:36PM

Boggles wrote: »

Or early last week.

Italy’s Lombardy again in virus crisis as Brescia sees surge

Unfortunately the population profile of the region regularly sees issues every Spring. The population is ageing and it’s an issue that covid has really amplified

The following report was published in 2018

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6141554/

In Italy, January and December are usually critical periods for National Health Service since there is an overlapping of cold season, influenza epidemic and circulation of several respiratory pathogens.

However there is the suspicion that influenza illness is not the only responsible for ED overcrowding and that other factors, as an aging population with a higher proportion of frail and chronic patients, could contribute in the next decades to increase the number of old patients seeking emergency care.

Boggles · 02-03-2021 09:44PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Unfortunately the population profile of the region regularly sees issues every Spring. The population is ageing and it’s an issue that covid has really amplified

The following report was published in 2018

In Italy, January and December are usually critical periods for National Health Service since there is an overlapping of cold season, influenza epidemic and circulation of several respiratory pathogens.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6141554/

December and January are in winter Fintan.

We are currently in Spring, March.

These are not hard things to fact check.

Boggles · 02-03-2021 09:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Irrelevant. They still provide opposition. And the opinion of a former Supreme Court judge carries weight.

Ireland is unique in the world for having zero opposition in the media and in politics.

So you just want a contrary "opposition" for the sake of it?

Whatever about the last 50 years, have you not been paying attention the last 4 years?

02-03-2021 09:47PM

ypres5 wrote: »

don't know anything about hitchens or sumpton but what's wrong with talk radio and the telegraph other than their right leaning

I'm convinced that Hitchens feigns anger about these issues.

I could be wrong, but I get the impression he finds issues to be "outraged" about, and the COVID-19 one gives him a massive audience as a contrarian.

I don't even consider what he argues, I just see an actor paid to intellectualize an argument for the sake of creating an opposing view.

This is not uncommon either. It happens across many "commentators" for many mainstream papers. Some figures, such as Katie Hopkins, understand how lucrative the market can be.

Create controversy, garner attention, and rake in the cash for a job well done.

02-03-2021 09:51PM

Boggles wrote: »

So you just want a contrary "opposition" for the sake of it?

Whatever about the last 50 years, have you not been paying attention the last 4 years?

Not for the sake of it. For the sake of the economy, mental health, depression, despair, wrecked livelihoods, ruined lives, destroyed businesses.

There is no conservative media in Ireland. That is a statement of fact.

retro:electro · 02-03-2021 10:00PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's something I'm curious about. Is it only in Ireland where this non-stop hysteria and 'new virus' stuff dominates daily life? England has heavy restrictions, but, as I pointed out, there's opposition over there in the form of Talk Radio, The Daily Mail, The Telegraph, The Covid Recovery Group, and, perhaps most significant of all, Lord Sumption, a former Supreme Court Judge no less, who has since March of last year spoken out against the hysteria, the destruction of society, the increasingly authoritarian government and police, and the implications all of that will have in and for the future. But nothing but 24/7 hysteria in Ireland. And, as I said, I could understand the huge difference if the countries were polar opposites, but they're literally next door to each other. It's very puzzling.

An Oxford professor came out today and said that society needs to stop obsessing over these new variants. He’s actually over the running of the trials for AstraZeneca and doesn’t seem too concerned about them so I’d wager he’d know a damn sight more than Monty Burns Martin.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9315813/amp/Coronavirus-Oxford-vaccine-professor-says-UK-ditch-obsession-Covid-variants.html

PTH2009 · 02-03-2021 10:02PM

retro:electro wrote: »

An Oxford professor came out today and said that society needs to stop obsessing over these new variants. He’s actually over the running of the trials for AstraZeneca and doesn’t seem too concerned about them so I’d wager he’d know a damn sight more than Monty Burns Martin.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9315813/amp/Coronavirus-Oxford-vaccine-professor-says-UK-ditch-obsession-Covid-variants.html

did you not know the UK Variant is a new virus exclusively to the Republic Of Ireland

That professor will be sad when he finds out

agoodpunt · 02-03-2021 10:04PM

I speak for myself know others less fortunite would choose same, so sorry to see how selfless we have become, been here 4 nearly 1 yr am irish took couple of trips 2 lanza great relief now dispised, but now leaving heading home we have a hard LD i could not survive another month here, there is no humanity just an exeistence those who have a meaningful secure life are lucky I am 1 wk+ away from mine.

It makes a great headline we must protect out health service but nothing has been done to help the citizens in return and no hope or plan to make it better last post here GLA

02-03-2021 10:15PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They would be in England. Talk Radio, The Daily Mail, Lord Sumption, Peter Hitchens, and The Telegraph would be on their back. But this is the problem when you have no media.

People spouting sh*te does not equate to balanced media.

User1998 · 02-03-2021 10:16PM

dublin_paul wrote: »

Are we seriously going to base country-wide policy on what happens on South William Street? Christ...

I was one of those on South William Street so I’d hope not anyway

Silentcorner · 02-03-2021 10:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

People spouting sh*te does not equate to balanced media.

And yet you can't name one expert on Irish media who has been consistently accurate in their assessment as how this pandemic was going to play out!!!

They have all been spouting s##te (to use your terminology) which people swallowed without question.

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