Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

First Up · 01-03-2021 10:46PM

Weepsie wrote:

So because the strand road doesn't take a lot of drivers directly to where they are actually going, they shouldn't be on it. With you now. That's the logic you're applying.

They are welcome to be on it and the closer it goes to their destination the more likely they will.

First Up · 01-03-2021 10:48PM

Fighting Tao wrote:

Although, your Monday morning point is a bit odd. Take a trip out to clontarf, or even to Dun laoghaire and youâ€™ll see people of all ages, and reasons cycling on the cycle track.

Good for them, but not sure how many are going to work or school or doing the shopping.

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 10:50PM

First Up wrote: »

Good for them, but not sure how many are going to work or school or doing the shopping.

The majority are. :rolleyes:

What does it matter anyway?

First Up · 01-03-2021 10:59PM

Fighting Tao wrote:

Does it matter anyway?

That depends on how it is used. If it leads to a lot more people cycling instead of driving to work, shops, schools etc then you could argue it is worth the disruption to commercial traffic and congestion on side roads.

If it is used mostly for Sunday spins you could argue differently.

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 11:02PM

First Up wrote: »

That depends on how it is used. If it leads to a lot more people cycling instead of driving to work, shops, schools etc then you could argue it is worth the disruption to commercial traffic and congestion on side roads.

If it is used mostly for Sunday spins you could argue differently.

No you can’t argue differently. It would be infantile to try to.

What has you so afraid of people enjoying themselves on a Sunday? Parents out with their kids sound horrendous on a Sunday....but only on Sunday.

First Up · 01-03-2021 11:12PM

Fighting Tao wrote:

No you canâ€™t argue differently. It would be infantile to try to.

What has you so afraid of people enjoying themselves on a Sunday? Parents out with their kids sound horrendous on a Sunday....but only on Sunday.

If the cycle path is little used except for weekend jaunts, you can be sure it will be argued differently.

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 11:15PM

First Up wrote: »

If the cycle path is little used except for weekend jaunts, you can be sure it will be argued differently.

I recommend going out to Clontarf, or to the new cycle track that DLRCC built any morning and you’ll see that it will be used a lot every day. However, I doubt you’ll investigate further because it would prove you wrong.

CramCycle · 01-03-2021 11:15PM

First Up wrote: »

If the cycle path is little used except for weekend jaunts, you can be sure it will be argued differently.

If only a trial went ahead to see if it would work or not

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 11:29PM

Anyone else worried they won’t sleep tonight for fear that the M50 will be under utilised? All motorists should be using it even if it doesn’t take them directly to their final destination.

First Up · 01-03-2021 11:29PM

Fighting Tao wrote:

I recommend going out to Clontarf, or to the new cycle track that DLRCC built any morning and youâ€™ll see that it will be used a lot every day. However, I doubt youâ€™ll investigate further because it would prove you wrong.

I'm interested in how cycle paths are used but the Clontarf path didn't need any road closures or diversions. The Sandymount path needs more evaluation than just counting the bicycles on it.

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 11:32PM

First Up wrote: »

I'm interested in how cycle paths are used but the Clontarf path didn't need any road closures or diversions. The Sandymount path needs more evaluation than just counting the bicycles on it.

What about the Blackrock to Sandycove one? You seem to have accidentally left it out. Roads became one way and lanes were repurposed just like the Strand road trial plans. No roads are being closed!

Is “more evaluation” where you are moving the goalposts to next?

First Up · 01-03-2021 11:40PM

Fighting Tao wrote:

What about the Blackrock to Sandycove one? You seem to have accidentally left it out. Roads became one way and lanes were repurposed just like the Strand road trial plans. No roads are being closed!

Repurposed. Nice word.

Blackrock to Sandycove doesn't affect access to the country's largest port and Liffey crossing.

Fighting Tao wrote:

Is â€œmore evaluationâ€ where you are moving the goalposts to next?

My goalposts are firmly in place thanks. It's just that it's taken you a while to spot them.

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 11:46PM

First Up wrote: »

Repurposed. Nice word.

Blackrock to Sandycove doesn't affect access to the country's largest port and Liffey crossing.

My goalposts are firmly in place thanks. It's just that it's taken you a while to spot them.

We have been through port access already. It is still very accessible, and the Liffey has many other crossings. The only vehicles being stopped from accsssibg the port from the south side of the city will be 5 axle trucks who will have to use the route they are supposed to be using already I.e. m50 and tunnel. All other vehicles can still access the port via Sean Moore road if their drivers wish. Nothing has changed there.

Btw, repurposed is factual. Closed is not. However, when trying to cast doubt about something, it is common that incorrect words suck as ‘closed’ in this case are portrayed as fact.

Thelonious Monk · 02-03-2021 12:38AM

https://twitter.com/DublinCommuters/status/1366502537138962439

Mannix wont be getting any sleep tonight lol

bbuzz · 02-03-2021 12:45AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DublinCommuters/status/1366502537138962439

Mannix wont be getting any sleep tonight lol

Hopefully they ramp up the enforcement - the fines don’t seem very high to me.

Thelonious Monk · 02-03-2021 12:47AM

Yeah I wonder if they'll actually issue fines

Peregrine · 02-03-2021 01:09AM

The fine for most types of illegal parking is just €40 and hasn't been increased in 20 years. There's not a lot DCC can do about that though. It would have to come from Eamon Ryan. The Department recently said they would be open to increasing it. That doesn't mean they're actively working on it though.

Larbre34 · 02-03-2021 03:10AM

"Thelonious wrote:

Mannix wont be getting any sleep tonight lol

I think you've missed the point entirely.

At the moment, if you get clamped for any of those offences, your car is immobilised by the clamp and it costs you 80 quid, paid up front, to release it.

Now they want to reduce that to an OTS fine of half that amount, and not immobilise the car, which means a significant amount of the penalty notices will just be thrown away and never paid up.

I assume you're trying to paint Mannix Flynn as the champion only of cars, which isn't true for starters, but if he were, he'd be popping champagne tonight, not losing sleep.

02-03-2021 04:18AM

Larbre34 wrote: »

I think you've missed the point entirely.

At the moment, if you get clamped for any of those offences, your car is immobilised by the clamp and it costs you 80 quid, paid up front, to release it.

Now they want to reduce that to an OTS fine of half that amount, and not immobilise the car, which means a significant amount of the penalty notices will just be thrown away and never paid up.

I assume you're trying to paint Mannix Flynn as the champion only of cars, which isn't true for starters, but if he were, he'd be popping champagne tonight, not losing sleep.

It's like this, in terms of enforcement, what do you think is more effective, 50 cars clamped in a day or 500 cars ticketed?

In addition, clamping, as a means of addressing parking issues is a poor solution as it leaves the vehicle in situ for longer than it would otherwise be. This is not a good solution when a car is blocking a street, a path etc

markpb · 02-03-2021 06:55AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's like this, in terms of enforcement, what do you think is more effective, 50 cars clamped in a day or 500 cars ticketed?

In addition, clamping, as a means of addressing parking issues is a poor solution as it leaves the vehicle in situ for longer than it would otherwise be. This is not a good solution when a car is blocking a street, a path etc

Clamping is an excellent deterrent. It’s extremely visible, penalises offenders using their time, money and embarrassment and most importantly, it can’t be ignored so the council don’t have to do any chasing. Issuing parking tickets achieves none of that which is why clamping was introduced in Dublin in the first place.

However, clamping is not suitable for all offences but since we can’t tow-away every offending car in Dublin (unfortunately) and AGS clearly don’t give a crap about enforcing RTA, issuing parking tickets is the next best thing DCC can do.

First Up · 02-03-2021 09:10AM

Fighting Tao wrote:

Btw, repurposed is factual. Closed is not. However, when trying to cast doubt about something, it is common that incorrect words suck as â€˜closedâ€™ in this case are portrayed as fact.

Strand Rd would be effectively closed but the businesses and residents around Sandymount Green, Park Avenue and Gilford Rd will be glad to know they have only been repurposed.

buffalo · 02-03-2021 09:14AM

First Up wrote: »

Strand Rd would be effectively closed but the businesses and residents around Sandymount Green, Park Avenue and Gilford Rd will be glad to know they have only been repurposed.

He's right you know. As we can see here, nobody can use this road because it is 'effectively closed':

https://twitter.com/robertburns73/status/1366047421931864076

First Up · 02-03-2021 09:26AM

buffalo wrote:

He's right you know. As we can see here, nobody can use this road because it is 'effectively closed':

That isn't Strand Rd. We'll see how those busy bike lanes will work if the cars and trucks that now use Strand Rd are forced into the village.

AndrewJRenko · 02-03-2021 09:30AM

First Up wrote: »

Strand Rd would be effectively closed but the businesses and residents around Sandymount Green, Park Avenue and Gilford Rd will be glad to know they have only been repurposed.

What's the difference between "open for one way traffic and two way cycling" and "effectively closed"?

First Up · 02-03-2021 09:40AM

AndrewJRenko wrote:

What's the difference between "open for one way traffic and two way cycling" and "effectively closed"?

Ask a city/East Link/Dublin Port Port bound motorist to explain it to you.

Fighting Tao · 02-03-2021 09:46AM

First Up wrote: »

Strand Rd would be effectively closed but the businesses and residents around Sandymount Green, Park Avenue and Gilford Rd will be glad to know they have only been repurposed.

“Effectively closed” does not equal “closed”. People can still get to the properties and businesses all around Sandymount.

First Up · 02-03-2021 09:47AM

Fighting Tao wrote:

â€œEffectively closedâ€ does not equal â€œclosedâ€. People can still get to the properties and businesses all around Sandymount.

See #1240

Fighting Tao · 02-03-2021 09:49AM

First Up wrote: »

That isn't Strand Rd. We'll see how those busy bike lanes will work if the cars and trucks that now use Strand Rd are forced into the village.

You are deliberately ignoring the fact that a 5 axle ban will be in place when the trial goes ahead.

Also, you don’t understand traffic and traffic evaporation. If you do then you are deliberately pretending to be ignorant.

AndrewJRenko · 02-03-2021 09:56AM

First Up wrote: »

Ask a city/East Link/Dublin Port Port bound motorist to explain it to you.

Id prefer to ask them what the hell they're doing on Strand Road in the first place instead of using the main roads.

Either way, Strand Road will be a long way off "effectively closed".

First Up · 02-03-2021 09:58AM

Fighting Tao wrote:

You are deliberately ignoring the fact that a 5 axle ban will be in place when the trial goes ahead.

You don't need 5 axles to bring chaos to Sandymount Village or Lansdowne Rd. How do you expect traffic to get to the East Link?

Fighting Tao wrote:

Also, you donâ€™t understand traffic and traffic evaporation. If you do then you are deliberately pretending to be ignorant.

So now we can add evaporation to repurposed. Keep 'em coming.

Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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