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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #2042
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I think even abolishing the 5km rule would certainly be a major boost for the next few months.

    Not only should they abolish it, they should be actively encouraging outdoor activities. Golf, tennis, hiking, visits to beaches should be pushed, as while people are doing such activities, they are not spreading covid.

    I know team sports could be an issue due to packed dressing rooms but maybe there are ways to deal with that also.


  • #2043
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    jackboy wrote: »
    Not only should they abolish it, they should be actively encouraging outdoor activities. Golf, tennis, hiking, visits to beaches should be pushed, as while people are doing such activities, they are not spreading covid.

    I know team sports could be an issue due to packed dressing rooms but maybe there are ways to deal with that also.

    Lots of people heading to the seaside. Sea swimming and cycling more and more popular. Lots now walking and running. Agree that this should be encouraged.

    Knacker drinking (as we called it back in the early 90’s) also making a comeback.


  • #2044
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    jackboy wrote: »
    Not only should they abolish it, they should be actively encouraging outdoor activities. Golf, tennis, hiking, visits to beaches should be pushed, as while people are doing such activities, they are not spreading covid.

    I know team sports could be an issue due to packed dressing rooms but maybe there are ways to deal with that also.

    The sports themselves didn't lead to the issues, it was the after activity socialising. I am not pro stopping these activities but I can see the point of view that was stopping them at level 5, a group of lads or lassies out playing golf may decide to socialise after, I do agree it is time to relax these restrictions though,hospital numbers are manageable, the vulnerable are being vaccinated, surely with the days getting longer the 5k could be extended, golf etc could be allowed, to encourage people. Unfortunately I think those who would not gain out of that would not be happy.


  • #2045
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,693 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    jackboy wrote: »
    Not only should they abolish it, they should be actively encouraging outdoor activities. Golf, tennis, hiking, visits to beaches should be pushed, as while people are doing such activities, they are not spreading covid.

    I know team sports could be an issue due to packed dressing rooms but maybe there are ways to deal with that also.

    Of course

    People should be encouraged to get active outdoors


  • #2046
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    jackboy wrote: »
    as while people are doing such activities, they are not spreading covid
    The risk is greatly reduced outdoors - it's not that there is no risk of spread.


    Not that I disagree on encouraging people to be out in the fresh air instead of inside.

    But social distancing should still be maintained - and far easier to do so outside!


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  • #2047
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Ficheall wrote: »
    The risk is greatly reduced outdoors - it's not that there is no risk of spread.


    Not that I disagree on encouraging people to be out in the fresh air instead of inside.

    But social distancing should still be maintained - and far easier to do so outside!

    It's been proven that you won't catch it off passing a stranger etc outdoors, you will have to give 15/20 minutes talking face to face or 15/20 minutes jogging directly behind, I posted a link last week but it was not allowed


  • #2048
    Ficheall
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    Widdensushi wrote: »
    It's been proven that you won't catch it off passing a stranger etc outdoors, you will have to give 15/20 minutes talking face to face or 15/20 minutes jogging directly behind, I posted a link last week but it was not allowed
    A link to a reputable research article wasn't allowed? Curious. I'd be very interested in seeing that proof - it would be a game-changer if true.


  • #2049
    SeaMermaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭SeaMermaid


    Stheno wrote: »
    So there is no road map essentially other than schools reopening?

    The government are not in a position to give a dated road map out from this pandemic IMO. The vaccines will be a key tool to get us out from this and the vaccines are still a new development. Currently the vaccination plan is to vaccinate elderly people and vulnerable people. It's still a new vaccine and there were logistical issues at the start which gave us a slow start to the vaccine rollout. Hopefully the vaccines will ramp up. Currently the next age group is the 80 to 85 age group. It's painfully slow but its a new vaccine and people just need to be patient. The government coming and providing a date for XYZ will be unrealistic at this stage because the virus will be circulation in the population that is not vaccinated and many middle aged people are falling prey to the virus. Providing a dated road map for reopening right now will be the wrong decision because its a rapidly changing situation all the time. It will just give false hope to people.
    We do know when numbers comes down, it will be safer to move about. The weekly numbers are showing a downwards trend. I hope it continues and hopefully there will be an easing of restrictions for their next review in April.


  • #2050
    TheDoctor
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    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 551 (up from 528 last night)
    ICU 132 (down from 135 last night)

    Lowest ICU total since 10 Jan


  • #2051
    Happydays2020
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    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 551 (up from 528 last night)
    ICU 132 (down from 135 last night)

    Lowest ICU total since 10 Jan

    There will be a big drop on Monday. Below 500 possible.


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  • #2052
    spookwoman
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  • #2053
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 551 (up from 528 last night)
    ICU 132 (down from 135 last night)

    Lowest ICU total since 10 Jan

    Annoying question but anyone know how those figures compare to this time last month?


  • #2054
    [Deleted User]
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    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    There will be a big drop on Monday. Below 500 possible.

    Trending the right way.

    If only there were people there to discharge more patients at the weekends. But ridiculous at this stage.


  • #2055
    Goldengirl
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I'm not shy at all Fich if I 'm going to do or say something I will be upfront about it, not a fan at underhanded behaviour.

    So explain why you persistently , when you have had a go and don't get your way , put posters on ignore , but somehow still give sly digs about them to other posters ?
    How is that upfront?


  • #2056
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    retro:electro wrote: »
    Annoying question but anyone know how those figures compare to this time last month?
    January 27th

    In hospital 1598
    In ICU 211


  • #2057
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Ficheall wrote: »
    A link to a reputable research article wasn't allowed? Curious. I'd be very interested in seeing that proof - it would be a game-changer if true.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-beach-holidays-safe-sage-uk-b1803367.html

    I think I pasted a different one, either way all guidance is that passing people in the local park does not pose a risk


  • #2058
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    all guidance is that passing people in the local park does not pose a risk

    A lot of people seem to think the virus is some sort of radiation and if you go near it you'll get it.

    RTÉ used to say on their news reports that you had to be within 2m of someone for 10-15 minutes to be at a significant risk of catching the wee divil.


  • #2059
    Widdensushi
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    Ficheall wrote: »
    A link to a reputable research article wasn't allowed? Curious. I'd be very interested in seeing that proof - it would be a game-changer if true.

    Have you a link to a reputable research article proving people can catch covid from passing within 2 meters of people on a path etc?


  • #2060
    What Username Guidelines
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    6 wrote: »
    Trending the right way.

    If only there were people there to discharge more patients at the weekends. But ridiculous at this stage.

    It’s always been the case, nothing new with covid. Weekends have less services available, you might need sign offs from multiple departments, prescriptions, etc, and while all depts have cover over weekends, as an inpatient you need to have sign offs from each service in a lot of cases.

    It’s frustrating, my kid spent a lot of time in hospital and always managed to spike a temperature on a Friday afternoon, and nothing happens at the weekend, but it doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. Looking at the hospital graph you always see a little upswing at the weekend followed by a continued drop.


  • #2061
    rodders999
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    So many head bangers on Facebook claiming that the guy who launched the firework was an undercover Garda and the whole thing was a “false flag” operation.

    Jesus H Christ these people’s minds have been absolutely destroyed by the internet and access to rubbish like info wars.

    Some amount of loons out there, it’s scary.


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  • #2062
    D.Q
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    rodders999 wrote: »
    So many head bangers on Facebook claiming that the guy who launched the firework was an undercover Garda and the whole thing was a “false flag” operation.

    Jesus H Christ these people’s minds have been absolutely destroyed by the internet and access to rubbish like info wars.

    Some amount of loons out there, it’s scary.

    At the start of all this I opted off Facebook. That sort of stupid spreads quicker than any virus on there.


  • #2063
    Pelvis Parsley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,749 ✭✭✭Pelvis Parsley


    rodders999 wrote: »
    So many head bangers on Facebook claiming that the guy who launched the firework was an undercover Garda and the whole thing was a “false flag” operation.

    Jesus H Christ these people’s minds have been absolutely destroyed by the internet and access to rubbish like info wars.

    Some amount of loons out there, it’s scary.

    What minds? They're morons with access to more information than ever before possible, good bad or indifferent.

    In times past, such idiots, who ALWAYS existed were illiterate, or couldn't afford newspapers, or were so malnourished because they hadn't the brains to feed themselves that they stayed quiet. Now they are fed and watered whether they work or not, have the internet to prosper in their echo chambers, congregate, and display their stupidity for all the world to see.

    It's a distinct downside of the age we live in-like giving a monkey an AK47.


  • #2064
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    rodders999 wrote: »
    So many head bangers on Facebook claiming that the guy who launched the firework was an undercover Garda and the whole thing was a “false flag” operation.

    Jesus H Christ these people’s minds have been absolutely destroyed by the internet and access to rubbish like info wars.

    Some amount of loons out there, it’s scary.

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  • #2065
    political analyst
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    If I remember correctly, Larissa Nolan warned in her Saturday column in the Indo that continuous lockdown would lead to unrest - a scenario that has, obviously, come to pass.


  • #2066
    Ficheall
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    Widdensushi wrote: »
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-beach-holidays-safe-sage-uk-b1803367.html

    I think I pasted a different one, either way all guidance is that passing people in the local park does not pose a risk
    That doesn't say it's completely safe - it says it's more safe than indoors, which I wouldn't disagree with.


    Outdoors safer than indoors - pretty much everyone will agree with you.
    Unlikely to catch it outdoors - depending on the circumstances, most likely true.
    Impossible to catch it outdoors - neither proven nor what one would logically expect.


  • #2067
    Wolf359f
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    political analyst wrote: »
    If I remember correctly, Larissa Nolan warned in her Saturday column in the Indo that continuous lockdown would lead to unrest - a scenario that has, obviously, come to pass.

    No matter what a government does, you will always have a small number of protesters. I wouldn't call what we say today as 'unrest'

    Yellow vest protesters in France, attack on the capital in DC, I would call unrest,
    A bunch of nutters around stephens green, I just call loons.


  • #2068
    political analyst
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    Wolf359f wrote: »
    No matter what a government does, you will always have a small number of protesters. I wouldn't call what we say today as 'unrest'

    Yellow vest protesters in France, attack on the capital in DC, I would call unrest,
    A bunch of nutters around stephens green, I just call loons.

    From what I saw on the news, it seemed to be a large number.


  • #2069
    Ficheall
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    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Have you a link to a reputable research article proving people can catch covid from passing within 2 meters of people on a path etc?
    How do you propose conducting that experiment?


    Find a covid-infected person. Find a non-covid person (whom you have to isolate from everyone else for ~3 weeks, and test occasionally throughout) Have the two people pass each other on the path at a distance of no less than two metres.
    Obviously one pass is meaningless, as the chances of catching it are acknowledged to be low, so maybe have them pass each other 1000 times.
    (All the while assuming these two people are somehow representative of everyone on the planet.)


    Suppose your non-covid person doesn't catch covid. Does that prove it can't actually happen? No.
    Does it suggest it's unlikely? Yes.

    Which is what I said.



    If you find me, say, 20k in research funding, I can conduct the experiment if you wish, and write up the results and stick them on the medrxiv, because no reputable journal would entertain such a research article.


  • #2070
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    political analyst wrote: »
    From what I saw on the news, it seemed to be a large number.
    There were definitely hundreds there at least, judging by clips.


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  • #2071
    [Deleted User]
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    Ficheall wrote: »
    How do you propose conducting that experiment?


    Find a covid-infected person. Find a non-covid person (whom you have to isolate from everyone else for ~3 weeks, and test occasionally throughout) Have the two people pass each other on the path at a distance of no less than two metres.
    Obviously one pass is meaningless, as the chances of catching it are acknowledged to be low, so maybe have them pass each other 1000 times.
    (All the while assuming these two people are somehow representative of everyone on the planet.)


    Suppose your non-covid person doesn't catch covid. Does that prove it can't actually happen? No.
    Does it suggest it's unlikely? Yes.

    Which is what I said.



    If you find me, say, 20k in research funding, I can conduct the experiment if you wish, and write up the results and stick them on the medrxiv, because no reputable journal would entertain such a research article.

    The destruction of hospitality and retail was based on numbers of outbreaks and infections in such settings, leading to the bizarre situation now where it is illegal to sell t-shirts.

    Can you point to a single incidence of an outbreak of Covid in Ireland being traced to a beach or a field?


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