Formula E - Gen.2

TheChrisD · 27-02-2021 08:03PM

Reports that the paddock was targeted for a missile strike by the Houthi rebels, which Saudi intercepted :eek:

https://twitter.com/skywatcherintel/status/1365747826534326276

flazio · 27-02-2021 08:50PM

I'd take that with a large bag of salt. The tweeter is not accredited with any media organisation.
I'm not a fan of Saudi Arabia myself but for the sake of a bit of motorsport on my TV I'll put up with them for a couple of days.

Pen Rua · 27-02-2021 08:53PM

A weird weekend for Formula E. Two massive shunts, two drivers in hospital and topped off with a missile interception.

Sunny Dayz · 27-02-2021 11:01PM

flazio wrote: »

I'd take that with a large bag of salt. The tweeter is not accredited with any media organisation.
I'm not a fan of Saudi Arabia myself but for the sake of a bit of motorsport on my TV I'll put up with them for a couple of days.

There have been calls to cancel the Saudi Grand Prix and/or for drivers especially Hamilton to boycott the event for a while now (according to my son).

jv2000 · 28-02-2021 08:55AM

I suspected that there might be trouble for JEV after not using his second attack mode. He has received a 24s penalty and is now classified in 12th. DaCosta now takes 3rd place, updated race standings here:

https://www.fiaformulae.com/results/race-results/?championship=2022020

Pen Rua · 28-02-2021 09:07AM

Sunny Dayz wrote: »

There have been calls to cancel the Saudi Grand Prix and/or for drivers especially Hamilton to boycott the event for a while now (according to my son).

There's threads about it every so often on the Formula 1 subreddit.

AMKC · 28-02-2021 12:18PM

jv2000 wrote: »

I suspected that there might be trouble for JEV after not using his second attack mode. He has received a 24s penalty and is now classified in 12th. DaCosta now takes 3rd place, updated race standings here:

https://www.fiaformulae.com/results/race-results/?championship=2022020

Jeez that's harsh what for not using a stupid attack mood. I actually think the races were better without these stupid attack mood and find them a stupid gimic. As for the two races well one had two crashes and the 2and one was very boring. Such a pity that Formula e do not do qualifying as well on another day as I might enjoy it more then and actually care about what driver us where. As it was all I know is someone in a Mercedes won the first race don't really much care after that and Sam Bird won the second race in the zmJaguar while Mercedes seemed to be no where in that race. Strange. Also where was Felipe Massa was he racing at all?

Pen Rua · 28-02-2021 12:25PM

AMKC wrote: »

Jeez that's harsh what for not using a stupid attack mood. I actually think the races were better without these stupid attack mood and find them a stupid gimic. As for the two races well one had two crashes and the 2and one was very boring. Such a pity that Formula e do not do qualifying as well on another day as I might enjoy it more then and actually care about what driver us where. As it was all I know is someone in a Mercedes won the first race don't really much care after that and Sam Bird won the second race in the zmJaguar while Mercedes seemed to be no where in that race. Strange. Also where was Felipe Massa was he racing at all?

Mereces & Venturi (customer of Mercedes) were barred from qualifying after Mortara (driving for Venturi) had a big crash while doing a practice start in the morning, which was caused by a software issue relating to the brakes. So, they had to start from the back. De Vries ended up 9th after a boat load of penalties across the field.

Massa left Formula E after last season.

Pen Rua · 28-02-2021 12:32PM

https://twitter.com/FIAFormulaE/status/1366002560889483266

Better vide of Lynn's crash.

AMKC · 28-02-2021 12:42PM

Pen Rua wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FIAFormulaE/status/1366002560889483266

Better vide of Lynn's crash.

A pity there is no sound.

Charlie-Bravo · 28-02-2021 01:38PM

that's some hit...I take it was wheel to wheel punting the car into the air like that.

TheChrisD · 28-02-2021 02:28PM

Charlie-Bravo wrote: »

that's some hit...I take it was wheel to wheel punting the car into the air like that.

Yep, very much like Webber at Valencia 2010.

Charlie-Bravo · 28-02-2021 02:45PM

indeed, I cannot find where the post-race penalties were applied. Who else got penalties for not having completed a second Attack Mode? In my opinion, if someone hadn't done the second one, they shouldn't be penalised when a race gets red-flagged...that's like an F1 race being cut short and Tyres not being changed to a different compound (I'm wondering has that been thought out properly in the rules of both Formulae).

TheChrisD · 28-02-2021 02:57PM

Charlie-Bravo wrote: »

indeed, I cannot find where the post-race penalties were applied. Who else got penalties for not having completed a second Attack Mode?

https://results.fiaformulae.com/en/noticeboard

All the post-race penalties, that were converted into 24-second penalties:

Alex Lynn - Throttle pedal map violation
Alexander Sims - Throttle pedal map violation
Tom Blomqvist - Overspeed under FCY
Nick Cassidy - Overspeed under FCY
Jean-Eric Vergne - Failed to activate second Attack
René Rast - Overspeed under FCY
René Rast - Failed to activate second Attack
Tom Blomqvist - Failed to activate second Attack
Norman Nato - unknown, the decision isn't listed in the docs

Also Gunther has a five-place grid drop for his collision.

antodeco · 28-02-2021 06:41PM

flazio wrote: »

I'd take that with a large bag of salt. The tweeter is not accredited with any media organisation.
I'm not a fan of Saudi Arabia myself but for the sake of a bit of motorsport on my TV I'll put up with them for a couple of days.

It's up on Al Jazeera https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/28/saudi-arabia-intercepts-ballistic-missile-attack-over-riyadh but I think the above tweeter used creative licence to say it was aimed for the race...

Burkie1203 · 28-02-2021 07:47PM

Bit harsh on JEV given race was red flagged with time for 4 or 5 laps

flazio · 28-02-2021 08:13PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Bit harsh on JEV given race was red flagged with time for 4 or 5 laps

True, but look at it this way. If Lewis Hamilton was leading a Grand Prix on the tyre compound he started the race on with the intention of running the other compound for the last 10 or so laps. Incident happens, race is red flagged and Lewis wins the race without changing the tyres. I doubt there would be a single poster here on Boards who reckon he should be allowed to keep the win.

Pen Rua · 28-02-2021 08:21PM

flazio wrote: »

True, but look at it this way. If Lewis Hamilton was leading a Grand Prix on the tyre compound he started the race on with the intention of running the other compound for the last 10 or so laps. Incident happens, race is red flagged and Lewis wins the race without changing the tyres. I doubt there would be a single poster here on Boards who reckon he should be allowed to keep the win.

Eh... I think he should be allowed keep the win. The race ended & he couldn’t take the second compound due to circumstances beyond his control.

Granted, the rules may cover this. Maybe tomorrow when I have more gumption I’ll review the F1 sporting regulations.

TheChrisD · 28-02-2021 08:23PM

flazio wrote: »

True, but look at it this way. If Lewis Hamilton was leading a Grand Prix on the tyre compound he started the race on with the intention of running the other compound for the last 10 or so laps. Incident happens, race is red flagged and Lewis wins the race without changing the tyres. I doubt there would be a single poster here on Boards who reckon he should be allowed to keep the win.

That's very different though, everyone else will have taken their tyre stop and will in theory be a pit stop gap behind, so even with a penalty, Lewis should in theory still win.

In F-E taking attack is only a couple of seconds at most, so the penalty for not taking it being a drive through is unnecessarily harsh; and it's made even worse by the fact that despite the red flag, the countback lap was still behind the safety car, so the gaps the cars had to arm attack without losing too much were wiped out as well.

It's just a case where the punishment doesn't fit the crime. This was a bit of force majeure where the penalty should only have been maybe 5 seconds at best.

Pen Rua · 28-02-2021 08:28PM

I very much stand corrected. F1 Sporting Regulation, 24.4(K).

Unless he has used intermediate or wet-weather tyres during the race, each driver must use at least two different specifications of dry-weather tyres during the race, at least one of which must be a mandatory dry-weather race tyre specification as defined in Article 24.2(b). Unless a race is suspended and cannot be re-started, failure to comply with this requirement will result in the disqualification of the relevant driver from the race results.
If the race is suspended and cannot be re-started, thirty seconds will be added to the elapsed time of any driver who was unable to use at least two specifications of dry- weather tyre.

Charlie-Bravo · 28-02-2021 08:36PM

Interesting conversation about whether it's harsh, but good to know the sporting regs - teams should be well aware so maybe JEVs team dropped the ball. I don't understand why Lewis was being mentioned in the above... It could be any driver in that situation

jv2000 · 01-03-2021 09:57AM

Charlie-Bravo wrote: »

indeed, I cannot find where the post-race penalties were applied. Who else got penalties for not having completed a second Attack Mode? In my opinion, if someone hadn't done the second one, they shouldn't be penalised when a race gets red-flagged...that's like an F1 race being cut short and Tyres not being changed to a different compound (I'm wondering has that been thought out properly in the rules of both Formulae).

Just reading on Autosport it looks like Blomqvist and Rast were also penalised for the same attack mode offence as Vergne. To be perfectly honest I can understand the dilemma where some drivers lost track position because of trying to activate the attack mode but the reality is that there should be a different penalty if the race is stopped under red flag (rather than ending behind the safety car). In my opinion an absolute maximum penalty of 5 seconds should have been applied. Realistically it looks like drivers lose anywhere between 1-3 seconds activating attack mode depending on how careful they are. There were also plenty of examples from last season where drivers did not activate properly and had to attempt it again on the next lap.

I may be in the minority but I really like attack mode, I like some cars having more power and the strategic element to choosing when to activate. Without the car changes halfway through and the need to change tyres then this adds that extra element. Fan boost on the other hand...... not a fan and find it unfair.

jv2000 · 01-03-2021 10:05AM

AMKC wrote: »

Such a pity that Formula e do not do qualifying as well on another day as I might enjoy it more then and actually care about what driver us where.

I agree here. I know why they do qualifying on the same day but I miss 99.9% of the sessions before the race and am often left confused why a seemingly good driver and car combo are at the back. The key as I have learned is the drivers in the first qualifying group, they have to deal with a very green track and usually end up at the back. So our podium sitters from round 2 will likely suffer greatly in the next race. It is almost like the reverse pole situation but at least the drivers have a bit of influence on where they start rather than 1st = last. Ironically the penalty for JEV will likely greatly help him in qualifying for the next race (along with the new DS powertrain).

donspeekinglesh · 01-03-2021 10:43AM

jv2000 wrote: »

I may be in the minority but I really like attack mode, I like some cars having more power and the strategic element to choosing when to activate.

I like it too, for the same reasons. It's so much better than how DRS is used.

flazio · 01-03-2021 11:55AM

The fact that Pen Rua found the regulation regarding the nearest equivalent scenario in F1, not changing tyres, shows how Formula E still has much to learn. In the F1 scenario, that rule would have been enforced within seconds of the race being declared won which means if any of the top 3 were affected, the podium would be adjusted.

flazio · 27-03-2021 10:36AM

Rome going ahead, now as a double header.
https://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2021/march/season-7-calendar-update

roadmaster · 28-03-2021 06:43PM

How many years will it be before Formula E Replaces F1?

Harika · 28-03-2021 06:53PM

roadmaster wrote: »

How many years will it be before Formula E Replaces F1?

At least 10, first performance and range need to improve. My guess it will merge in 20 years or one of them will go out of business before that

Charlie-Bravo · 10-04-2021 07:24AM

Race this weekend in Rome which is a double race weekend.

Sat Qualy 11am
Sat Race 3pm

Sun Qualy 8am
Sun Race 12 noon

flazio · 10-04-2021 08:17AM

It's also live on BBC Two.

Formula E - Gen.2

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