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Wales vs England

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    #152
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    waynescales1 wrote: »
    I see no mention of “gathering”, “regathering” or “control” in any rule that I have read.
    I think this comes from discussions on tries being scored and whether there is a knock-on or not. And that discussion usually centres around control of the ball. So people associate control of the ball with knock-ons rather than tries. There is no mention of control of the ball in relation to knock-ons in the laws of the game that I can find.


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    #153
    Dave_The_Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 7,347 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    Law 11.2:
    "It is a knock-on when a player, in tackling or attempting to tackle an opponent,
    makes contact with the ball and the ball goes forward. Sanction: Scrum (if the
    ball goes into touch, the non-offending team may opt instead for a quick-throw
    or lineout).


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    #154
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,412 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    cantwbr1 wrote: »
    True but surely there must be an attempt to kick the ball in the current situation

    If you can find the phrase "attempt to kick the ball" in the laws, fair play.


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    #155
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,387 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Oops. Farrell didn't get the 3 points there. That 2nd Wales try might give him a knock in his confidence.


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    #156
    Podge_irl
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    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    Example? I've seen players knock the ball forward off the hand, catch it with their foot for a kick and it wasn't a knock on.

    I've never seen that not called a knock on.


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    #157
    cantwbr1
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    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    If you can find the phrase "attempt to kick the ball" in the laws, fair play.[/quot

    :-)


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    #158
    theVersatile
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    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    Why is hitting the leg the equivalent of hitting the ground? Surely that means every kick would be a knock on, no?

    Kick is excluded because of intention.

    Kick: An act made by intentionally hitting the ball with any part of the leg or foot,
    except the heel, from the toe to the knee but not including the knee. A kick must
    move the ball a visible distance out of the hand, or along the ground


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    #159
    KH25
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    That’s great thinking to tap and go. Very well played.


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    #160
    statesaver
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    Oh, that was cheeky


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    #161
    Paul Smeenus
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    I've never seen that not called a knock on.

    I dont know what to tell you, I've seen it not called a knock on. I disagree, but I also want to watch this game, so I'm going to leave it there.


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    #162
    ongarite
    Registered Users Posts: 8,218 ✭✭✭ongarite


    So sloppy from England.


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    #163
    DellyBelly
    Registered Users Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    I think Wales are going to win the Grand Slam.. Excellent team


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    #164
    Dave_The_Sheep
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    DellyBelly wrote: »
    I think Wales are going to win the Grand Slam.. Excellent team

    You're half right.


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    #165
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Daly switched off, head down not paying attention.


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    #166
    kal7
    Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭kal7


    Eliot daly school boy error trotting into position not watching ball.


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    #167
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,412 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    theVersatile wrote: »
    Kick is excluded because of intention.

    Kick: An act made by intentionally hitting the ball with any part of the leg or foot,
    except the heel, from the toe to the knee but not including the knee. A kick must
    move the ball a visible distance out of the hand, or along the ground

    Well that's fair enough - pretty clear. I don't agree that was a knock on, though. Now let me watch the rest of the game.


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    #168
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    theVersatile wrote: »
    Kick is excluded because of intention.

    Kick: An act made by intentionally hitting the ball with any part of the leg or foot,
    except the heel, from the toe to the knee but not including the knee. A kick must
    move the ball a visible distance out of the hand, or along the ground
    The ball hitting below the knee and above the neck is not a knock on either. Doesn't have to be a kick. Jacob Stockdale scored a try in the 6N after the ball clipped his shin.


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    #169
    RugbyLover123
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    Forget the tries, the ref allowing Wales’ 9 about 7 seconds at every ruck is awful


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    #170
    theVersatile
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    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    Well that's fair enough - pretty clear. I don't agree that was a knock on, though. Now let me watch the rest of the game.

    You don't agree with the clearly defined laws?


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    #171
    A2LUE42
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    waynescales1 wrote: »
    I see no mention of “gathering”, “regathering” or “control” in any rule that I have read.

    What are these 'rules' you speak of?
    We were always told that Rugby had laws, not rules, and as such were open to interpretation.


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    #172
    prawnsambo
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    A2LUE42 wrote: »
    What are these 'rules' you speak of?
    We were always told that Rugby had laws, not rules, and as such were open to interpretation.
    You made that bit up because 'laws' didn't you? :D


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    #173
    Carfacemandog
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    Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »
    You're half right.

    Ah come on now, Wales are so good you'd almost swear they've got 16 men out there in every game so far.


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    #174
    theVersatile
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    prawnsambo wrote: »
    The ball hitting below the knee and above the neck is not a knock on either. Doesn't have to be a kick. Jacob Stockdale scored a try in the 6N after the ball clipped his shin.

    I think you've interpreted that slightly wrong. Read as:

    Kick: An act made by intentionally hitting the ball with any part of the leg or foot,
    except the heel (i.e. from the toe to the knee, but not including the knee). A kick must
    move the ball a visible distance out of the hand, or along the ground.

    You're interpretation of that sentence would also rule out the toe and entire foot.


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    #175
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,412 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    theVersatile wrote: »
    You don't agree with the clearly defined laws?

    No, I don't agree with the interpretation. Like the actual ref.


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    #176
    theVersatile
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    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    No, I don't agree with the interpretation. Like the actual ref.

    Fair enough that you disagree with how it's interpreted as long as you also recognise that the decision is inherently incorrect. All g.

    Per your wishes, we shall leaves this aside an attempt to enjoy the remaining 25 minutes


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    #177
    razorblunt
    Registered Users Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Did someone in the Welsh 8 just shout “hands in the ruck?” At that scrum.


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    #178
    prawnsambo
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    theVersatile wrote: »
    I think you've interpreted that slightly wrong. Read as:

    Kick: An act made by intentionally hitting the ball with any part of the leg or foot,
    except the heel (i.e. from the toe to the knee, but not including the knee). A kick must
    move the ball a visible distance out of the hand, or along the ground.

    You're interpretation of that sentence would also rule out the toe and entire foot.
    What???


    I'm literally quoting the laws on knock-ons. Nothing to do with kicks. It's not a knock on if the ball strikes above the neck or below the knee. You can head the ball forward and clip it forward with any part of your leg below the knee. Including your toes.

    And this is the definition of a knock on from World Rugby:
    Knock-on: When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.


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    #179
    gally74
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    England will eat us


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    #180
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,387 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Ben Young's puts England back into the game.


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    #181
    UAEguy2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭UAEguy2020


    **** this

    Pascal, get the red cards ready.


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