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Wales vs England

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    #122
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭tanko


    I can't believe that clown of a referee is still getting international games.
    He has always been incompetant and clueless. He's a joke.


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    #123
    swiwi_
    Registered Users Posts: 4,483 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    I’m watching behind the live feed but that was so a knock on. Awful decision.


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    #124
    bilston
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    Jeremy Guscott "if Wales can't get an England player sent off, at least they have ref on their team":D

    Said as a joke by the way in case anyone gets annoyed. But it shows how jammy Wales have been through this tournament.


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    #125
    sydthebeat
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    waynescales1 wrote: »
    The ball has not been considered knocked forward until it touches the ground, or another player. The ball is knocked backwards off red’s leg. Correct decision by TMO.

    Ehhhh

    That's novel


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    #126
    theVersatile
    Registered Users Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    Have you ever seen a player knock it forward into the air and then catch it? Then you've seen the same interpretation.

    Possession: An individual or team in control of the ball or who are attempting to
    bring it under control. (Definitions in the law book)

    The juggling example is completely different and accounted for above. In the LRZ example, the player loses possession forward. He is not in control. Regardless of the ball hitting off his back of his leg, he never regains possession or control of the ball. Therefore, the ball was lost forward therefore its a knock on.


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    #127
    waynescales1
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    There's no mention of that in the rules

    I’ve read it three times now from different sources.

    “If they fail to catch or pick up the ball cleanly and it travels forward off a hand or arm and hits the ground or another player, it is called a knock-on.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/rules_and_equipment/4204144.stm


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    #128
    sydthebeat
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    We've often seen where a player loses control of a ball and then throws a leg at it to kick but it's called as a knock on.

    It was 100% a knock on. The player tried to take control but knocks it forwards onto himself and never gathers the ball


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    #129
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,368 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    theVersatile wrote: »
    Possession: An individual or team in control of the ball or who are attempting to
    bring it under control. (Definitions in the law book)

    The juggling example is completely different and accounted for above. In the LRZ example, the player loses possession forward. He is not in control. Regardless of the ball hitting off his back of his leg, he never regains possession or control of the ball. Therefore, the ball was lost forward therefore its a knock on.

    Is LRZ not attempting to bring it under control?


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    #130
    sydthebeat
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    waynescales1 wrote: »
    I’ve read it three times now from different sources.

    “If they fail to catch or pick up the ball cleanly and it travels forward off a hand or arm and hits the ground or another player, it is called a knock-on.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/rules_and_equipment/4204144.stm

    It did hit another player


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    #131
    A2LUE42
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    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    Have you ever seen a player knock it forward into the air and then catch it? Then you've seen the same interpretation.

    In that scenario he has control of the ball when he catches it.


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    #132
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,368 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    It did hit another player

    It hit his own leg and went backwards


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    #133
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    It'll be very interesting to see what Nigel Owens says about the three tries today on his world rugby video log thing.


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    #134
    swiwi_
    Registered Users Posts: 4,483 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.


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    #135
    theVersatile
    Registered Users Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    Is LRZ not attempting to bring it under control?

    Not when it hits off his arse. So him playing it was his hand is, but once it hits his leg it's the equivalent of hitting the ground or another player (unless he manages to regather it between his hand and his leg, preventing it from hitting the ground, and regaining possession/control)


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    #136
    waynescales1
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    It is actually quite obvious that it’s not a knock on. The player has fumbled the ball backwards off his own leg. The fact that the ball moved forward between hitting his hand, then leg, according to every example of the rule I can find, is irrelevant.


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    #137
    Hurrache
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    bilston wrote: »
    Jeremy Guscott "if Wales can't get an England player sent off, at least they have ref on their team":D

    Said as a joke by the way in case anyone gets annoyed. But it shows how jammy Wales have been through this tournament.

    He did also say he didn't believe the Wales try was a knock on anyway.


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    #138
    UAEguy2020
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    waynescales1 wrote: »
    It is actually quite obvious that it’s not a knock on. The player has fumbled the ball backwards off his own leg. The fact that the ball moved forward between hitting his hand, then leg, according to every example of the rule I can find, is irrelevant.

    He touched it forward with his hand


    Did he regather it? Yes or no?


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    #139
    sydthebeat
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    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    It hit his own leg and went backwards

    Nope, he hit it forwards onto his own leg.

    Hi didn't kick it.
    It hit the English player.
    At that point it was a knock on


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    #140
    dublinman1990
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    England should have a great 2nd half if they have clean ball in hand. But they have to behave themselves when they're out there. They really can't afford to slip up against a lucky Wales team.


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    #141
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,368 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    theVersatile wrote: »
    Not when it hits off his arse. So him playing it was his hand is, but once it hits his leg it's the equivalent of hitting the ground or another player (unless he manages to regather it between his hand and his leg, preventing it from hitting the ground, and regaining possession/control)

    Why is hitting the leg the equivalent of hitting the ground? Surely that means every kick would be a knock on, no?


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    #142
    waynescales1
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    UAEguy2020 wrote: »
    He touched it forward with his hand


    Did he regather it? Yes or no?

    I see no mention of “gathering”, “regathering” or “control” in any rule that I have read.


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    #143
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,368 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Nope, he hit it forwards onto his own leg.

    Hi didn't kick it.
    It hit the English player.
    At that point it was a knock on

    Nah.


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    #144
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,165 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    TV3 in hysterics over the decision, moreso than BBC.


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    #145
    swiwi_
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    waynescales1 wrote: »
    It is actually quite obvious that it’s not a knock on. The player has fumbled the ball backwards off his own leg. The fact that the ball moved forward between hitting his hand, then leg, according to every example of the rule I can find, is irrelevant.

    Obvious to you and not too many other people.


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    #146
    Dave_The_Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 7,337 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    "Use it".

    Seven seconds ref. Use it applies to you too.


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    #147
    sydthebeat
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    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    Why is hitting the leg the equivalent of hitting the ground? Surely that means every kick would be a knock on, no?

    Ah come on Paul, this is rugby 101 here.

    You have to be in possession to kick the ball.
    You can lose possession and still kick the ball and it still can be a knock on


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    #148
    UAEguy2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭UAEguy2020


    waynescales1 wrote: »
    I see no mention of “gathering”, “regathering” or “control” in any rule that I have read.

    Because if the ball goes forward off the hand it’s a knock on.


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    #149
    cantwbr1
    Registered Users Posts: 303 ✭✭cantwbr1


    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    Why is hitting the leg the equivalent of hitting the ground? Surely that means every kick would be a knock on, no?

    True but surely there must be an attempt to kick the ball in the current situation


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    #150
    waynescales1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    UAEguy2020 wrote: »
    Because if the ball goes forward off the hand it’s a knock on.

    Not until it touches the ground or another player.


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    #151
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,368 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Ah come on Paul, this is rugby 101 here.

    You have to be in possession to kick the ball.
    You can lose possession and still kick the ball and it still can be a knock on

    Example? I've seen players knock the ball forward off the hand, catch it with their foot for a kick and it wasn't a knock on.


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