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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #1832
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,141 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Is pancreatic cancer communicable and can it cause a pandemic that overwhelms hospitals?

    Heart disease also?

    I've heard the people die argument. Why don't we bring back smallpox or cholera and test this theory out? I'd hazard a guess people wouldn't like to live with those diseases.

    Your just rambling nonsense now.


  • #1833
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    celt262 wrote: »
    They cant hide from it forever.

    Are they carrying out vaccinations there at the moment?

    I heard during this week , NZ received their first batch of vaccines. They know too the only way out of this is vaccination.


  • #1834
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes sadly a lot of people have died because of Covid here and there are those who are still experiencing issues after contracting it. What is your strategy in preventing deaths from say pancreatic cancer? Or pneumonia or heart disease?

    At what point do we accept that people will die from Covid and that we can't be saviours of the world.

    You are asking what my strategy is? :) Sorry now to laugh but I have been pretty clear about that. And Covid being allowed to become endemic is what has caused other deaths/morbidity to occur due to over run of health services.
    Also I never said I can prevent pancreatic cancer, pneumonia, heart disease and bring world peace _ I am not in the Miss Universe contest! :pac:


  • #1835
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭h2005


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    It's not as if we have an imaginary border and a common travel area or anything.

    It would take ages to get out of the Schengen Agreement for instance. We'd need primary legislation and that would take months.....:pac:

    Meanwhile on the continent in countries are signatories of Schengen (we are not by the way). Someone should tell them it's impossible to police a border.



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    https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-france-announces-new-border-checks-with-germany/a-56702063

    As you said the border is imaginary, pretty hard to police that, even with the best political will. Let’s just ignore the years of violence and political division around this very border also. Simple, really simple.


  • #1836
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    You are asking what my strategy is? :) Sorry now to laugh but I have been pretty clear about that. And Covid being allowed to become endemic is what has caused other deaths/morbidity to occur due to over run of health services.
    Also I never said I can prevent pancreatic cancer, pneumonia, heart disease and bring world peace _ I am not in the Miss Universe contest! :pac:

    Allowed? Do you actually read what you wrote before you post?
    We have no choice but to allow it become endemic, eradication is not feasible. I genuinely believe you are on a wind up. Time to put you on ignore.


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  • #1837
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    h2005 wrote: »
    Let’s just ignore the years of violence and political division around this very border also. Simple, really simple.

    Compared to NZ we have 4274 extra deaths in 1 year from Covid. 3500 people died in the troubles in 30 years.


  • #1838
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Allowed? Do you actually read what you wrote before you post?
    We have no choice but to allow it become endemic, eradication is not feasible. I genuinely believe you are on a wind up. Time to put you on ignore.

    I will be hugely relieved to be on ignore from you.

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  • #1839
    jojofizzio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Didn't they just go through a lockdown recently enough? I hope it doesn't get bad for them since they done so well so far.

    They had 3 days lockdown Monday to Wednesday last week,then went back to normal


  • #1840
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    h2005 wrote: »
    As you said the border is imaginary, pretty hard to police that, even with the best political will. Let’s just ignore the years of violence and political division around this very border also. Simple, really simple.

    So if we've an imaginary border with Northern Ireland of UK fame and Northern Ireland has an imaginary border with UK, we must also have an imaginary border with UK.

    So where is the border then? By all means bring your own research into this complicated conundrum.
    The Schengen Area ( /ˈʃɛŋən/; Luxembourgish: [ˈʃæŋən] (About this soundlisten)) is an area comprising 26 European countries that have officially abolished all passport and all other types of border control at their mutual borders. The area mostly functions as a single jurisdiction for international travel purposes, with a common visa policy. The area is named after the 1985 Schengen Agreement signed in Schengen, Luxembourg.

    Of the 27 EU member states, 22 participate in the Schengen Area. Of the five EU members that are not part of the Schengen Area, four – Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, and Romania – are legally obliged to join the area in the future;

    Ireland maintains an opt-out, and instead operates its own visa policy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area

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  • #1841
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Or even just an all island approach. Given I live on the border too, I know lots of people in NI who are not happy with the sh!t show of lots of deaths and extra morbidity and protracted lockdowns that has been euphemistically called ''living with Covid''.

    Except an all island approach was rejected by NI. It was proposed and rejected. Politically impossible for some in the North.

    We also could not close the border given that we had spent 4 years seeking concessions from the EU that the border could not be closed.

    We had also set in stone a Common Travel Area with the UK which will give opportunities for many generations of Irish to get work in the UK.

    As regards intra-EU - we are a trading country and hauliers would have been back and forth.

    As regards rest of the world, we have traded reasonably well through this period including exports of medical devices and pharma via air freight. A full zero Covid strategy would have affected just in time supply channels and had a negative economic impact.

    The excess deaths for the period will be a good bit less that 4000. Plus zero Covid would not have been zero deaths as it was already in the State by the time of the first lock down in March last year.

    NZ and Australia (geographic reasons primarily) were able to lock down before it had become implanted in the community.


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  • #1842
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭h2005


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Compared to NZ we have 4274 extra deaths in 1 year from Covid. 3500 people died in the troubles in 30 years.

    What are the numbers for the Aran islands like? There are factors that contribute significantly to New Zealand’s numbers. If you’re benchmarking deaths at least do it with a country that shares a land border.


  • #1843
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Except an all island approach was rejected by NI. It was proposed and rejected. Politically impossible for some in the North.

    We also could not close the border given that we had spent 4 years seeking concessions from the EU that the border could not be closed.

    We had also set in stone a Common Travel Area with the UK which will give opportunities for many generations of Irish to get work in the UK.

    As regards intra-EU - we are a trading country and hauliers would have been back and forth.

    As regards rest of the world, we have traded reasonably well through this period including exports of medical devices and pharma via air freight. A full zero Covid strategy would have affected just in time supply channels and had a negative economic impact.

    The excess deaths for the period will be a good bit less that 4000.

    Negative PCR test result to cross then. Like ze bloody French are doing for ze dastardly Krauts.


  • #1844
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    h2005 wrote: »
    What are the numbers for the Aran islands like? There are factors that contribute significantly to New Zealand’s numbers. If you’re benchmarking deaths at least do it with a country that shares a land border.

    Wait you were just saying it's not a border. Now it's a border? Which is it?

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  • #1845
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    UK and Ireland approach.

    Done. You are welcome.

    Except the UK have announced they plan on removing all restrictions in late June, accepting that there will be a certain level of cases that come with it. So they arent remotely gunning for zero covid, so we never will be.

    Not so done


  • #1846
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    h2005 wrote: »
    What are the numbers for the Aran islands like? There are factors that contribute significantly to New Zealand’s numbers. If you’re benchmarking deaths at least do it with a country that shares a land border.

    Heh too easy Thailand with 69 million people has had 83 covid deaths. Vietnam with 100 million people has had 36 deaths. Its arse is back up all the way against ...guess who...China.


  • #1847
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    jojofizzio wrote: »
    They had 3 days lockdown Monday to Wednesday last week,then went back to normal

    I don't like the sound of another lockdown in such a short space of time. Makes me think they didn't find all the cases from last week and God knows what they've been out doing. Really hope things don't get bad for them.


  • #1848
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    celt262 wrote: »
    They cant hide from it forever.

    Are they carrying out vaccinations there at the moment?

    I don't have a clue about vaccinations in New Zealand.


  • #1849
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Negative PCR test result to cross then. Like ze bloody French are doing for ze dastardly Krauts.

    You mean this measure https://www.rfi.fr/en/europe/20210226-france-germany-impose-weekly-covid-tests-for-cross-border-workers-moselle-south-africa-brazil-variants which will apply from Monday? And required cooperation from both sides of the border? Politically here it is a non runner given the Article 16 issues up North.


  • #1850
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    AdamD wrote: »
    Except the UK have announced they plan on removing all restrictions in late June, accepting that there will be a certain level of cases that come with it. So they arent remotely gunning for zero covid, so we never will be.

    Not so done

    Yeah true. It's amazing what you can do when you procure enough vaccines and administer them before a variant emerges that beats them.


  • #1851
    MizMix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭MizMix


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    UK and Ireland approach.

    Done. You are welcome.

    :D If only!! NI and the south are on different timelines regarding vaccination rollout...they're planning on opening up in June. We're way way too late to be looking at this approach- they're on the home straight.

    Plus didn't NI previously reject an all island approach- the reality is not so simple.

    Someone suggesting a negative PCR crossing the border- really?!! I could pass through several times a day both ways


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  • #1852
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Ah the bi weekly Zero Covid delusion discussion, I will miss them when they are gone. Who doesn't like a bit of fantasy.


  • #1853
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Ah the bi weekly Zero Covid delusion discussion, I will miss them when they are gone. Who doesn't like a bit of fantasy.

    True can't wait til they go. I've heard some people have fantasies about multiple wives.


  • #1854
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    You mean this measure https://www.rfi.fr/en/europe/20210226-france-germany-impose-weekly-covid-tests-for-cross-border-workers-moselle-south-africa-brazil-variants which will apply from Monday? .

    Sounds like the start of a good plan, Happydays :) I approve.

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  • #1855
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    MizMix wrote: »
    I could pass through several times a day both ways

    The same PCR test will do you for the whole day ;) It's like a fresh pair of underpants.


  • #1856
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Ah the bi weekly Zero Covid delusion discussion, I will miss them when they are gone. Who doesn't like a bit of fantasy.

    Just in relation to ZC and it’s proponents. Was talking to the wife this morning about a certain Trinity-based ZC proponent who keeps getting wheeled out in front of the media. She works in Trinity and comes from a Neuroscience background, so she’d have a few friends in the department. Word on campus is Trinity are incredibly unhappy about how this person keeps using the Trinity name to peddle nonsense. Like, exploring options unhappy.

    Edit: I seemed to have thumbed down my own comment and dunno how to fix that. :/


  • #1857
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Ah the bi weekly Zero Covid delusion discussion, I will miss them when they are gone. Who doesn't like a bit of fantasy.

    It has gone to new lows with a hell of a lot of revisioning. Zero Covid is now reversing the clock to January 2020 and shutting the borders.


  • #1858
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    Just in relation to ZC and it’s proponents. Was talking to the wife this morning about a certain Trinity-based ZC proponent who keeps getting wheeled out in front of the media. She works in Trinity and comes from a Neuroscience background, so she’d have a few friends in the department. Word on campus is Trinity are incredibly unhappy about how this person keeps using the Trinity name to peddle nonsense. Like, exploring options unhappy.

    Edit: I seemed to have thumbed down my own comment and dunno how to fix that. :/

    Well, cancelling naughty people is the big favourite in academic institutions these days, so they are on solid ground.


  • #1859
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    Just in relation to ZC and it’s proponents. Was talking to the wife this morning about a certain Trinity-based ZC proponent who keeps getting wheeled out in front of the media. She works in Trinity and comes from a Neuroscience background, so she’d have a few friends in the department. Word on campus is Trinity are incredibly unhappy about how this person keeps using the Trinity name to peddle nonsense. Like, exploring options unhappy.

    Edit: I seemed to have thumbed down my own comment and dunno how to fix that. :/

    I didn't realise he had tenure.


  • #1860
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    Just in relation to ZC and it’s proponents. Was talking to the wife this morning about a certain Trinity-based ZC proponent who keeps getting wheeled out in front of the media. She works in Trinity and comes from a Neuroscience background, so she’d have a few friends in the department. Word on campus is Trinity are incredibly unhappy about how this person keeps using the Trinity name to peddle nonsense. Like, exploring options unhappy.

    Edit: I seemed to have thumbed down my own comment and dunno how to fix that. :/

    I heard the same.

    And some close to Trinity are publicly call out the nonsense on Twitter.


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  • #1861
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    It has gone to new lows with a hell of a lot of revisioning. Zero Covid is now reversing the clock to January 2020 and shutting the borders.

    I genuinely can't understand the logic ( absence really) calling for ZC in light of the vaccination programme. No point discussing the CTA or Arlene and her merry bunch of troglodytes or our dependence on imports or our connectivity with the EU .
    It's like talking to toddlers that you have to repeat the same points every couple of days to. It's really tiresome. On the plus side my ignore function works great.


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