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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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  • #3152
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tell me how wrote: »
    But I can spot when particular posters are coming in with faux concern about children in cages, or the people of Syria or those on minimum wage when all they are doing is using these people and issues as a stick to beat non-Trump supporters with.

    Is the reality not though, that when the pro Biden people were giving out about Trump putting kids in cages, that that was the faux concern for the children.. And it was just being used to demonize Trump?..


  • #3153
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,150 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Is the reality not though, that when the pro Biden people were giving out about Trump putting kids in cages, that that was the faux concern for the children.. And it was just being used to demonize Trump?..

    No, as was pointed out it detail already, people have had an issue with the practices going on around immigration anyway.

    That doesn't mean that Trump shouldn't been allowed to just escalate the bad behaviour and be let away with it because it was a bad practice before him.

    Trump's biggest issue was, is and will always be Trump himself. His bullish, selfish narcissistic behaviour always rubbed people up the wrong way. He couldn't, nor can other Presidents, fix everything with the stroke of a pen.

    American access to healthcare was an issue before Trump, and before Obama. Obamacare wasn't perfect but gave more people access to healthcare than had had it before.
    Trump tore it to shreds before the election, said he was going to have a new bill ready to go on day one and promised multiple times during his 4 years that a new bill was 2 weeks or a few days away. It never appeared. That is why people were so annoyed at the things Trump did. Because how he did it, and why he did it.

    America is entitled to not have to pay for everything for everyone else worldwide, but Trump effectively p*ssing on the Paris agreement, and the Iran Nuclear deal, and the WHO was to no ones advantage only the shortsighted ones thinking that that was standing up for America.

    Trump was the biggest narcissist ever to occupy the office of the President and everything he did was motivated by his own selfish interests and he didn't care about the military when he called them losers, but still wanted to be seen as pro-military, didn't care about black people throughout the BLM protests but still wanted to be seen as a Pro-Black President, didn't care for LGBT rights after saying he would be their biggest advocate and so on and so on. So being lectured by people who looked at all that and declared themselves fans, that we should now be hyper focused on the integrity of the political strategy of his replacement is a line I am not buying.

    The democrats have collectively dropped the ball on the 15$ minimum wage. The strike in Syria could have, in all likelihood be tied to ongoing ISIS insurgents in the area rather than a new incursion and the children at the border is something which cannot be simply magiced away but treating them with more dignity and not automatically designating them as felons is still a step up form Trump. And none of this is a new position from me, I've long said Biden won't cure everything, but at least it won't be the sh*tshow that it was with the last fellow.


  • #3154
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Is the reality not though, that when the pro Biden people were giving out about Trump putting kids in cages, that that was the faux concern for the children.. And it was just being used to demonize Trump?..

    People are giving out that are being caged regardless of who's in charge.

    The fallacy here is in thinking that people are ok with it when Biden does it.

    It's just the best that the antt-Biden/pro-Trump/anti-liberal (whatever they want to call themselves) crew can do to try and make it look Biden is in some way less preferable to Trump.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #3155
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,263 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Checking in to this forum for some reasoned debate and seeing the quality of anti Biden comments...

    https://images.app.goo.gl/iNTbwCxMHVtdaJVe6

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #3156
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,150 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Checking in to this forum for some reasoned debate

    Has anyone seen an explanation from the Biden side as to the why the $15 failed. I know the parliamentarian dictated that it wouldn't proceed, but who were the genuine driving forces behind it not doing so.

    It was a big dropped opportunity in my view.

    The Syria thing I don't see as a massive deal. I think the American military has had involvement there for a long time and aren't just going to stop because the administration changed.

    As for the children at the border, I've already spoken about that. I think Trump looked to apply very cynical deterrents in treating people inappropriately and at least Biden has stepped back from that.


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  • #3157
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Checking in to this forum for some reasoned debate and seeing the quality of anti Biden comments...

    https://images.app.goo.gl/iNTbwCxMHVtdaJVe6

    I was just about to post something similar.

    At least they are consistent with their bad grammar, ignoring questions, asking questions that have already been answered on the very same page, lack of sources, false equivalence and confirmation bias.

    But yeah, good on those who tried to talk sense to brick walls during the night.


  • #3158
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Has anyone seen an explanation from the Biden side as to the why the $15 failed. I know the parliamentarian dictated that it wouldn't proceed, but who were the genuine driving forces behind it not doing so.

    It was a big dropped opportunity in my view.

    Because Biden doesn't believe in it.

    If he did, he'd crack on with it and wouldn't be hiding behind the 'parliamentarian' malarkey.

    Cute hoorism.


  • #3159
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,150 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Because Biden doesn't believe in it.

    If he did, he'd crack on with it and wouldn't be hiding behind the 'parliamentarian' malarkey.

    Cute hoorism.

    Not according to this site yesterday morning.
    The White House insisted that President Joe Biden was still “committed” to raising the minimum wage to $15, despite a major stimulus block.

    Brian Deese, the White House National Economic Council director, made the statement when appearing on MSNBC on Friday morning.

    “We’re going to consult with our congressional allies ... congressional leadership today to talk about a path forward on how we can make progress urgently on what is an urgent issue,” Mr Deese said about the federal minimum wage.


  • #3160
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,870 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Biafranlivemat wrote: »
    He didn't ban reporting, he kicked out a reporter.
    Big difference.

    He did ban reporting on the number of civilians killed by drone strikes though.

    I 100% do not approve of any military service intervention, but at least be honest about it.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #3161
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Because Biden doesn't believe in it.

    If he did, he'd crack on with it and wouldn't be hiding behind the 'parliamentarian' malarkey.

    Cute hoorism.

    You're wrong. He can't "crack on with it" yet. Inform yourself on the "malarkey".


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  • #3162
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Biafranlivemat wrote: »
    He didn't ban reporting, he kicked out a reporter.
    Big difference.

    Explain the difference then.....

    Or are you refeering to the banning of reporting of civilian casualties of drone strikes?


  • #3163
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    12gauge dave wrote: »
    Calling me names and attacking my character.

    Another day in the life of a Trump fan on this thread.
    Report the posts and move on. Choose your battles.


  • #3164
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,721 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    extra gravy wrote: »
    A selection of the offerings from Trump fans over the last couple of pages. And then they wonder why their intelligence is questioned and nobody takes them seriously.

    Did I just read something about Lady gagas dogs? What in the name of jaysus could that have to do with Biden


  • #3165
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    salmocab wrote: »
    Did I just read something about Lady gagas dogs? What in the name of jaysus could that have to do with Biden

    This is the same people who thought the pandemic was created to help the Democrats win the election. They'll try to make anything appear related to him if necessary.


  • #3166
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    biko wrote: »
    Report the posts and move on. Choose your battles.

    That's the issue, they just say people are being mean to them when it's actually their post that's being decimated, not their person.


  • #3167
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 57,121 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod:

    Off topic posts deleted. I've just been going through this thread and the amount of low level trolling going on and back and forth bickering is ridiculous.

    Final warning to improve the standard of posting or be removed from the thread permanently. If you think someone is trolling or dragging the thread off topic, report it and move on - let the mods deal with it.

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #3168
    Das Reich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Das Reich


    Show on the thread how the US are involved in food shortages in Argentina and/or Venezuela.

    Since moderetor Necro asked me to show how USA (under Obama presidency) was involved in food shortages in Venezuela that provoked a emigration of 4 million people (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article233947387.html)

    Dw: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/the-human-cost-of-the-us-sanctions-on-venezuela/a-50647399
    Deleted User wrote: »
    12gauge dave does not battle. He merely shouts from his car, "hey you! your guy sucks!" before driving away.

    Could be worse, something like "hey you, I don't your post I will ask moderator to delete."


  • #3169
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Das Reich wrote: »
    Since moderetor Necro asked me to show how USA (under Obama presidency) was involved in food shortages in Venezuela that provoked a emigration of 4 million people (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article233947387.html)

    Dw: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/the-human-cost-of-the-us-sanctions-on-venezuela/a-50647399



    Could be worse, something like "hey you, I don't your post I will ask moderator to delete."

    Foolishly, I read both articles. Obviously, you didn't. The first is an irrelevance and offers no substantiation of whatever point you are trying to make. The second, laughably, emphasises that it was Trump who intensified the sanctions to the point where ordinary people experienced food shortages. This thread is becoming a waste of time.


  • #3170
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Foolishly, I read both articles. Obviously, you didn't. The first is an irrelevance and offers no substantiation of whatever point you are trying to make. The second, laughably, emphasises that it was Trump who intensified the sanctions to the point where ordinary people experienced food shortages. This thread is becoming a waste of time.

    I was just about to post the exact same comment almost word for word.

    It's starting to get annoying where Trumpists post articles for us to read when they've clearly only read the headline at most.


  • #3171
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I was just about to post the exact same comment almost word for word.

    It's starting to get annoying where Trumpists post articles for us to read when they've clearly only read the headline at most.

    But that’s all they ever did?
    Scream irrelevant catchphrases and conspiracy theories.
    No substance.
    No engagement.
    No answers.


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  • #3172
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    salmocab wrote: »
    Did I just read something about Lady gagas dogs? What in the name of jaysus could that have to do with Biden

    Well don't you see? Celebrity dogs will now be targeted because Biden is a terrible president.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=116422434#post116422434

    :pac:


  • #3173
    Das Reich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Das Reich


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Foolishly, I read both articles. Obviously, you didn't. The first is an irrelevance and offers no substantiation of whatever point you are trying to make. The second, laughably, emphasises that it was Trump who intensified the sanctions to the point where ordinary people experienced food shortages. This thread is becoming a waste of time.

    "Whatever point you are trying to make", it just show how Venezuela lost population last years, most of them didn't went to USA but to several other countries that had to deal with a problem not created by them. It is really hard for those "bidenists/warists" to see it? The exodus is Syria was also dealt by many other countries, including Brazil that had to take more refugees that the country that created all that mess. About the embargo (second article) Trump was not the president in USA in 2015.
    Cody montana wrote: »
    But that’s all they ever did?
    Scream irrelevant catchphrases and conspiracy theories.
    No substance.
    No engagement.
    No answers.

    Yes sure they created the "conspiracy theory" about Hussein's mass murder weapons.


  • #3174
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well don't you see? Celebrity dogs will now be targeted because Biden is a terrible president.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=116422434#post116422434

    :pac:

    Precedent.


  • #3175
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Precedent.

    thatsthejoke.jpg


  • #3176
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Das Reich wrote: »
    "Whatever point you are trying to make", it just show how Venezuela lost population last years, most of them didn't went to USA but to several other countries that had to deal with a problem not created by them. It is really hard for those "bidenists/warists" to see it? The exodus is Syria was also dealt by many other countries, including Brazil that had to take more refugees that the country that created all that mess. About the embargo (second article) Trump was not the president in USA in 2015.

    Your first article is a discussion about a poll taken in Venezuela concerning emigrants. It doesn't mention Obama. It doesn't mention his administration. This is because it is dated August 2019. 2.5 years after Obama left office and Trump took over.

    Your second article categorically states that Trump hugely increased Obama's original sanctions. It discusses current food shortages at that time. That time was October 2019 when the article was written. 2.75 years after Obama left office and Trump took over.

    Pathetic.


  • #3177
    Das Reich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Das Reich


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Your first article is a discussion about a poll taken in Venezuela concerning emigrants. It doesn't mention Obama. It doesn't mention his administration. This is because it is dated August 2019. 2.5 years after Obama left office and Trump took over.

    It is just an article that states the losing population of Venezuela, due to emigration started in 2015. Can't you read it? There are several others, just google, I am not lying, bordering (and non bordering countries like Peru) countries had to deal with hundred of thousands of them. There is nothing to disagree with it. Fact.
    Your second article categorically states that Trump hugely increased Obama's original sanctions. It discusses current food shortages at that time. That time was October 2019 when the article was written. 2.75 years after Obama left office and Trump took over.

    States that the shorttages were caused by USA (embargos started in 2015, google it if you not believe).

    So, maximum attention to what Biden administration will do on those regions next months.


  • #3178
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Das Reich wrote: »
    So, maximum attention to what Biden administration will do on those regions next months.
    Have you been paying attention to what the US have been doing in this front over the last 4 years?


  • #3179
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Das Reich wrote: »
    "Whatever point you are trying to make", it just show how Venezuela lost population last years, most of them didn't went to USA but to several other countries that had to deal with a problem not created by them. It is really hard for those "bidenists/warists" to see it? The exodus is Syria was also dealt by many other countries, including Brazil that had to take more refugees that the country that created all that mess. About the embargo (second article) Trump was not the president in USA in 2015.



    Yes sure they created the "conspiracy theory" about Hussein's mass murder weapons.

    What?


  • #3180
    Das Reich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Das Reich


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    Have you been paying attention to what the US have been doing in this front over the last 4 years?

    Sure. Not 100% good, but better than the other one that created so much mess in ME.


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  • #3181
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Das Reich wrote: »
    It is just an article that states the losing population of Venezuela, due to emigration started in 2015. Can't you read it? There are several others, just google, I am not lying, bordering (and non bordering countries like Peru) countries had to deal with hundred of thousands of them. There is nothing to disagree with it. Fact.



    States that the shorttages were caused by USA (embargos started in 2015, google it if you not believe).

    So, maximum attention to what Biden administration will do on those regions next months.

    I'll spell it out for you:

    The. Articles. Were. Written. In. August. And. October. 2019. Obama. Left. Office. In. January. 2017. Which. Is. 2.5. Years. Before.

    The. Second. Article. Emphasises. That. Trump. Caused. The. Food. And. Medicine. Shortages.


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