Justice League Spoilers from post 980 onward

FunLover18 · 25-02-2021 10:31PM

Need a Username wrote: »

And likewise I’m simply stating that since the movie can be watched at home then it doesn’t matter how long it is because people don’t have to watch it in one sitting.

I don’t know why that idea is so upsetting or causing some to be narky.

Because it's irrelevant!

Four hours is still four hours. The issue isn't whether I can watch it in one go or spread it out, the issue is whether I want to see this film so badly I'd be willing to spend four hours with it. I don't, so why would I even start it?

CramCycle · 25-02-2021 11:21PM

The biggest benefit ZS has at the minute is the pandemic but anyone looking at twitter as a sign of something doing well is reaching. Twitter actually does quite poorly in regards active engagements and have only done well by getting into news reports and being recognised by traditional media when oddly it actually doesn't do well at what people think it does well. INstagram has 3 fold as many users, Fb 5 fold but yet somehow it is the one quoted on news outlets constantly.

I'd be interested to see the number of likes on the most liked tweet about the snyder cut vs how many people actually watch it. I imagine that it won't actually be meaningful as a metric, just interesting and something someone in a studio will use in the future.

kerplun k · 26-02-2021 09:40AM

ThePott wrote: »

I am surprised that they haven't split it into two two hour chunks. If nothing else because Snyder has said that if it were to play cinemas there was an intermission built in, from a purely promotional standpoint splitting it in two would make sense.

Think I remember reading somewhere that they couldn't split it because of complex contractual agreements with some of its stars. I think it would have been too messy and expensive to break it up.

CramCycle · 26-02-2021 10:10AM

kerplun k wrote: »

Think I remember reading somewhere that they couldn't split it because of complex contractual agreements with some of its stars. I think it would have been too messy and expensive to break it up.

As in they would argue it counted as two movies and therefore should be paid more? Might be the simplest explanation.

ThePott · 26-02-2021 10:23AM

kerplun k wrote: »

Think I remember reading somewhere that they couldn't split it because of complex contractual agreements with some of its stars. I think it would have been too messy and expensive to break it up.

That makes sense, I remember that was one of the big concerns about revisiting this. Would the contracts allow them to make this or is this a whole new costly deal. Logically they didn't sign up for a "TV Series" so from a legal standpoint if nothing else the probably had to cover themselves.

Penn · 26-02-2021 05:57PM

WB and DC rebooting Superman, with JJ Abrams to produce and Ta-Nehisi Coates to write.

Wonder do they go full reboot or give Henry Cavill another shot at the cape in a new story. Cavill could have been a fantastic Clark/Supes in the right movie. Would be a real shame if this is the end, but maybe a non-moustache Justice League is now all we have left from him.

pixelburp · 26-02-2021 06:02PM

Hopefully they retain Cavill as Supes, and keep Abrams the hell away from the writers room; that Coates isn't brow beaten into listening to Abrams. Shame to replace one empty vessel in Synder with another, but Abrams might be a silent producer...

ThePott · 26-02-2021 06:10PM

The original reporter of this said that the search for Superman hasn't begun yet but seems the consensus at the moment is that Cavill will not be back.

Agent Coulson · 26-02-2021 06:15PM

DC/WB really are diluting there Superhero IP with so many TV & Film productions using the same characters.

Edit: how long before they make a Calvin Ellis Superman film?

Lithium93_ · 26-02-2021 06:36PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Hopefully they retain Cavill as Supes, and keep Abrams the hell away from the writers room; that Coates isn't brow beaten into listening to Abrams. Shame to replace one empty vessel in Synder with another, but Abrams might be a silent producer...

I'd almost put money on it, that one of them will end up walking up due to the old "creative differences"

johnny_ultimate · 26-02-2021 06:41PM

Warner Bros / Hollywood need to reboot themselves to the point when they were making more original films rather than endlessly regurgitating the same bloody franchises.

kerplun k · 26-02-2021 07:26PM

CramCycle wrote: »

As in they would argue it counted as two movies and therefore should be paid more? Might be the simplest explanation.

Think it was more an issue of presenting it as a television show.

pixelburp · 26-02-2021 07:27PM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Warner Bros / Hollywood need to reboot themselves to the point when they were making more original films rather than endlessly regurgitating the same bloody franchises.

They won't until they fluke their way to the winning formula, without the indignity of being seen to just copy the MCU - which is clearly the right play at this stage. Junk the universe, start again like the MCU and a longform approach with a creative king at the top; it's what they want without having the nerve to admit it.

Thing is, there is a Superman movie out there worth making regardless of ones feeling about franchise filmmaking, WB just keep swinging in all sorts of directions bar the simplest, easiest one. Take a beloved superman comic that ISN'T by Frank Miller or Mark Millar, adapt it. Done.

Modern writers have made all sorts of really interesting stories about Clark, and what it means to be superman WITHOUT navel gazing, an immigrant tale, but WB won't go there.

26-02-2021 07:32PM

Penn wrote: »

WB and DC rebooting Superman, with JJ Abrams to produce and Ta-Nehisi Coates to write.

Wonder do they go full reboot or give Henry Cavill another shot at the cape in a new story. Cavill could have been a fantastic Clark/Supes in the right movie. Would be a real shame if this is the end, but maybe a non-moustache Justice League is now all we have left from him.

Interested to see who they choose to direct. Coates is ideal as a writer and could bring a new approach to it. A socially conscious writer for a hero like superman could really approach it from the correct angle.

kerplun k · 26-02-2021 07:43PM

Word on the grapevine is that Cavill is out.
Jez. Another Superman reboot. Seems Hollywood have learned nothing from all those lessons that dangled in front of them as a result of the pandemic. Hell, it was already in a bad state before 2020. If they haven’t learnt anything in the past year, the future looks very bleak for blockbuster cinema. The industry is more competitive than ever. If ever there was a time needed for ambitious, bold, adventurousness film making, it’s now.

Brief_Lives · 26-02-2021 07:55PM

Penn wrote: »

WB and DC rebooting Superman, with JJ Abrams to produce and Ta-Nehisi Coates to write.

Wonder do they go full reboot or give Henry Cavill another shot at the cape in a new story. Cavill could have been a fantastic Clark/Supes in the right movie. Would be a real shame if this is the end, but maybe a non-moustache Justice League is now all we have left from him.

Is this for real? (i casually read this site, i don´t use twitter)

if Cavill is back, can it be called a reboot. I liked Man of Steel. not sure why all the hate.

Penn · 26-02-2021 07:59PM

I'm just glad JJ Abrams isn't writing/directing, otherwise we'd get the same story as Superman 1 but with some minor changes.

Penn · 26-02-2021 08:01PM

Brief_Lives wrote: »

Is this for real? (i casually read this site, i don´t use twitter)

if Cavill is back, can it be called a reboot. I liked Man of Steel. not sure why all the hate.

Yeah, it's real

https://deadline.com/2021/02/superman-reboot-in-the-works-at-warner-bros-with-ta-nehisi-coates-writing-j-j-abrams-producing-1234701922/

Looking like Cavill won't be back and it's a full reboot.

Agent Coulson · 26-02-2021 08:07PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

DC/WB really are diluting there Superhero IP with so many TV & Film productions using the same characters.

Edit: how long before they make a Calvin Ellis Superman film?

Not long at all.

Superman Film Reboot Reportedly Built Around a Black Man of Steel
A new report states that the Superman to headline Warner Bros., Ta-Nehisi Coates and J.J. Abrams' reboot film will be a Black Man of Steel.

After it was revealed that Ta-Nehisi Coates and J.J. Abrams are teaming on a Superman movie reboot for Warner Bros., a new report suggests this Man of Steel project will star a Black leading male.

"Will audiences be introduced to a Black Superman? That is the intent and something that the studio has been trying to find a way in for months if not a year or two, according to sources," THR reporter Borys Kit tweeted following the news of Coates and Abrams' Superman.

https://www.cbr.com/superman-reboot-black-man-of-steel/

The White Wolf · 26-02-2021 08:12PM

A Black Superman would possibly be the boldest move in the genre yet.

Now that Cavill is getting closure with JL I'd actually like to see them go there. It would finally put to bed the painful arguments about what Superman "should" be on screen.

pixelburp · 26-02-2021 08:12PM

Why not, as said the tale of Superman is that of the ultimate immigrant story; so why not make Clark black to underline the point? It could work perfectly well.

The neckbeard rage will be epic though. I daresay even the Ben Shapiro's of the world will get involved too; they had a fit when "truth justice and the American way" got shelved back in the day. This will cause collective aneurysms

Lithium93_ · 26-02-2021 08:16PM

Didn't Michael B. Jordan say or mention he wanted to be Superman? Or am I imagining things?

Agent Coulson · 26-02-2021 08:18PM

Obama is free and since Calvin Ellis is based on him why not cast the former President.

The White Wolf · 26-02-2021 08:36PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Why not, as said the tale of Superman is that of the ultimate immigrant story; so why not make Clark black to underline the point? It could work perfectly well.

The neckbeard rage will be epic though. I daresay even the Ben Shapiro's of the world will get involved too; they had a fit when "truth justice and the American way" got shelved back in the day. This will cause collective aneurysms

You can see it happening already.

My only problem with it is that leaking it to a reputable outlet could have been better timed given Cavill's now evident swansong is 3 weeks away.

But whatever, I'm exhausted by the Cavill argument at this point so I'm happy to hand over the reins to the crazys who are about to go bat****.

Penn · 26-02-2021 08:54PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Not long at all.

Superman Film Reboot Reportedly Built Around a Black Man of Steel
A new report states that the Superman to headline Warner Bros., Ta-Nehisi Coates and J.J. Abrams' reboot film will be a Black Man of Steel.

https://www.cbr.com/superman-reboot-black-man-of-steel/

Never heard of the Calvin Ellis Superman before, but damn I'd be all in for that. Something different at the very least.

Agent Coulson · 26-02-2021 09:00PM

Penn wrote: »

Never heard of the Calvin Ellis Superman before, but damn I'd be all in for that. Something different at the very least.

Created from a joke Obama made while running for President

"Contrary to the rumors you have heard, I was not born in a manger. I was actually born on Krypton and sent here by my father, Jor-el, to save the planet Earth,"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mccain-obama-crack-jokes-at-charity-event/

kerplun k · 26-02-2021 09:07PM

Michael B. Jordan Is going to be the next Superman isn’t he?

Mr Crispy · 26-02-2021 09:17PM

Time to give Nic Cage his shot.

Agent Coulson · 26-02-2021 09:19PM

Kirk Lazarus has been waiting all his life for this moment.

pixelburp · 26-02-2021 09:27PM

Wonder if it's a good thing or bad thing that just as a new Superman TV show starts, the scuttlebutt pivots to this new unknown movie adaptation. Could drive interest to it, could take some of the wind from its sails. Apparently initial reviews are positive and it's not as CW as the rest of the DC shows

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Justice League Spoilers from post 980 onward