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Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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  • #782
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    duskyjoe wrote: »
    Is this a reclaim the streets forum or a cycling forum? You come across as a prize bully .

    When you resort to name calling you have lost any argument you had.

    A poster came to this forum going on about an issue that has existed for decades as if it is directly related to the Strand Road trial. It is not.


  • #783
    duskyjoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 643 ✭✭✭duskyjoe


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    When you resort to name calling you have lost any argument you had.

    A poster came to this forum going on about an issue that has existed for decades as if it is directly related to the Strand Road trial. It is not.

    I’m not name calling - RTFP- “you come across “ is not name calling. You might peruse a dictionary re the word ‘assumption’. Safe cycling


  • #784
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,336 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    duskyjoe - don't post in this thread again, thanks. any issues, PM me.


  • #785
    Trudee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    When you resort to name calling you have lost any argument you had.

    A poster came to this forum going on about an issue that has existed for decades as if it is directly related to the Strand Road trial. It is not.

    I came about an issue that is a by product of the Strand Road Trial - Merrion Gates closed on Monday 1st therefore Serpentine Avenue will become the first right hand turn for cars/vans coming from DunLaoghaire/Blackrock/Deansgrange direction along South Coast Dublin route - the issue is the increase as predicted by DCC in their own Public Consultation Final Report - traffic along Merrion Road will increase northwards from Merrion gates by 114% and also by their own admission 'Serpentine route 'is the one that will require the most careful monitoring' so not a problem that has existed for decades but a problem that is predicted by DCC themselves to occur from March 1st and directly related to Strand Road Trial.


  • #786
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Trudee wrote: »
    I came about an issue that is a by product of the Strand Road Trial - Merrion Gates closed on Monday 1st therefore Serpentine Avenue will become the first right hand turn for cars/vans coming from DunLaoghaire/Blackrock/Deansgrange direction along South Coast Dublin route - the issue is the increase as predicted by DCC in their own Public Consultation Final Report - traffic along Merrion Road will increase northwards from Merrion gates by 114% and also by their own admission 'Serpentine route 'is the one that will require the most careful monitoring' so not a problem that has existed for decades but a problem that is predicted by DCC themselves to occur from March 1st

    When I was working in Bankcentre years ago it was an issue. You mentioned it in previous posts that it is an issue for you and your kids presently. So it is an old issue. With the trucks being banned from Sandymount, there should be little to no traffic to the port from them, and so that should reduce that percentage by a bit. Although 114% certainly does not mean a 114% increase on Serpentine Avenue.


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  • #787
    Trudee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    When I was working in Bankcentre years ago it was an issue. You mentioned it in previous posts that it is an issue for you and your kids presently. So it is an old issue. With the trucks being banned from Sandymount, there should be little to no traffic to the port from them, and so that should reduce that percentage by a bit. Although 114% certainly does not mean a 114% increase on Serpentine Avenue.

    When you worked in the Bankcentre years ago Serpentine Avenue was not the only rht which it will be from Monday so what was a historical issue will become a dangerous issue from Monday and there is no denying this fact particulary when there are no pedestrian lights. I never said there was an 114% of traffic on Serpentine Avenue, I said DCC have stated Serpentine Avenue 'is the one which will require the most careful monitoring'.


  • #788
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Trudee wrote: »
    When you worked in the Bankcentre years ago Serpentine Avenue was not the only rht which it will be from Monday so what was a historical issue will become a dangerous issue from Monday and there is no denying this fact particulary when there are no pedestrian lights. I never said there was an 114% of traffic on Serpentine Avenue, I said DCC have stated Serpentine Avenue 'is the one which will require the most careful monitoring'.

    So give them feedback during the monitoring period. Get your neighbours, family, friends etc to do the same.

    There is money to be spent in that area on exactly the infrastructure you are looking for. Literally millions!

    If I was you I'd be working on getting a ground swell of support for these additions to be added as part of the trial


  • #789
    Trudee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    When I was working in Bankcentre years ago it was an issue. You mentioned it in previous posts that it is an issue for you and your kids presently. So it is an old issue. With the trucks being banned from Sandymount, there should be little to no traffic to the port from them, and so that should reduce that percentage by a bit. Although 114% certainly does not mean a 114% increase on Serpentine Avenue.

    There is a 5 axle ban in place 7am-19pm Mon-Sun


  • #790
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Trudee wrote: »
    There is a 5 axle ban in place 7am-19pm Mon-Sun

    Which is changing to a full 24hr ban from Monday as part of the trial

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116405622&postcount=792


  • #791
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Trudee, while I fully support you in wanting these pedestrian crossings at the Serpentine Avenue/Merrion Road junction, why didn't you or any of the Serpentine Avenue residents ask for it during the consultation?

    Having requested it myself, I feel like I've done more for the cause than anyone on Serpentine Avenue.


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  • #792
    Trudee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    Peregrine wrote: »
    Trudee, while I fully support you in wanting these pedestrian crossings at the Serpentine Avenue/Merrion Road junction, why didn't you or any of the Serpentine Avenue residents ask for it during the consultation?

    Having requested it myself, I feel like I've done more for the cause than anyone on Serpentine Avenue.

    I did request it as I did in the past too before Strand Road Public Consultation


  • #793
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Trudee wrote: »
    I did request it as I did in the past too before Strand Road Public Consultation

    That's interesting because I requested all 2650 responses to the Strand Road consultation from Dublin City Council and filtered them for ones containing the words "serpentine", "pedestrian" and "crossing". Out of the 2650 submissions, there were no submissions that asked for pedestrian crossings at the junction of Serpentine Avenue and Merrion Road.

    Maybe I missed yours but it still wouldn't be a lot.


  • #794
    Trudee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    Peregrine wrote: »
    That's interesting because I requested all 2650 responses to the Strand Road consultation from Dublin City Council and filtered them for ones containing the words "serpentine", "pedestrian" and "crossing". Out of the 2650 submissions, there were no submissions that asked for pedestrian crossings at the junction of Serpentine Avenue and Merrion Road.

    Maybe I missed yours but it still wouldn't be a lot.

    Nothing interesting about it, sent email to Owen Keegan, Brendan O’Brien and Clare French plus Pembroke Cllr’s so maybe check with them about submissions in relation to this particular junction.


  • #795
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    So the consultation process was not used, and therefore it wasn't taken into account. Hmm.....how did you expect it to be taken into account for the Strand Road changes then? Unless I am misunderstanding the consultation process.


  • #796
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Trudee wrote: »
    Nothing interesting about it, sent email to Owen Keegan, Brendan O’Brien and Clare French plus Pembroke Cllr’s so maybe check with them about submissions in relation to this particular junction.

    Fair enough, I don't have your e-mails about the proposal. Given that online submissions outnumbered e-mails 10:1, there would have to be a lot of e-mails about this junction to change my point. Why is nobody else on Serpentine Avenue asking for these pedestrian crossings? Did they all e-mail too?

    I do have all e-mails between Dublin City Council and the Serpentine Avenue, Tritonville Road and Claremont Road "community group" whose focus is entirely on the Strand Road cycle route and they didn't ask for it either.

    I agree that it's an issue but your beef is with your neighbours and community groups.


  • #797
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,267 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Hope Dublin Bus are ready to quickly move the routes back to Strand Road once the trial is called off tomorrow.

    So we are near the end of tomorrow and it’s still going ahead.
    Busses still operating on the new route


  • #798
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    ted1 wrote: »
    Do we are near the end of tomorrow and it’s still going ahead.
    Busses still operating on the new route

    I presume that DB would have to give notification to the NTA, have it approved and give notice before such a change occurred so I wouldn't stress to much about DB changing back for awhile yet.


  • #799
    nomdeboardie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i think i found the kick out of the kerb at the roundabout more irritating than the roundabouts themselves:

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3366121,-6.2179068,3a,75y,110.59h,65.67t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sYh2iKw8SL1r4_MQUC-2tnw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DYh2iKw8SL1r4_MQUC-2tnw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D70.35471%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

    i think their sole purpose was to irritate cyclists. or maybe just me.
    Darwinian filter for unwary cyclists (who collide either with the curb or with cars as they're pinched together). For the rest of us, a reminder to TAKE THE LANE NOW! :D


  • #800
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,280 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    ted1 wrote: »
    So we are near the end of tomorrow and it’s still going ahead.
    Busses still operating on the new route

    Someone said court is tomorrow, so if it's being called off it'll be called off tomorrow. Which is why I find it strange they're actually doing so much work if there's a strong chance it'll be called off.


  • #801
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,336 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    well, consider what would happen if everyone realised DCC would call off works at the sniff of legal action; when they make a decision, it may be strategic on their part to proceed until ordered not to by a judge. and you can see the rationale for that.


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  • #802
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,267 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Someone said court is tomorrow, so if it's being called off it'll be called off tomorrow. Which is why I find it strange they're actually doing so much work if there's a strong chance it'll be called off.

    Way do you find strange, there is nothing wrong with what they are doing.

    We live in a world where people constantly object. If we were to stop at every objection we’d never get anything done.
    You keep playing till the ref blows his whistle


  • #803
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,452 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    That's rubbish.

    DCC know where the situation is, they've known since Monday that by this weekend, they'll either be able to carry on, or they'll be halted for a number of months

    To be paying contractors through the nose, with taxpayers money, to do be digging up today what they may well have reinstate after tomorrow, is reckless, negligent and a dereliction of their duty as the local authority and of the Chief Executive as accounting officer.

    They are trying to bulldoze, railroad, front it out; whatever adjective you like and its disgraceful.


  • #804
    bbuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭bbuzz


    https://twitter.com/irishdocsenv/status/1365026485631860737?s=21


  • #805
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    That's rubbish.

    DCC know where the situation is, they've known since Monday that by this weekend, they'll either be able to carry on, or they'll be halted for a number of months

    To be paying contractors through the nose, with taxpayers money, to do be digging up today what they may well have reinstate after tomorrow, is reckless, negligent and a dereliction of their duty as the local authority and of the Chief Executive as accounting officer.

    They are trying to bulldoze, railroad, front it out; whatever adjective you like and its disgraceful.

    I think it's great :)


  • #806
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,280 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    ted1 wrote: »
    Way do you find strange, there is nothing wrong with what they are doing.

    We live in a world where people constantly object. If we were to stop at every objection we’d never get anything done.
    You keep playing till the ref blows his whistle

    I want this done as much as anyone and I would use it regularly but if there are counsellors involved and lots of money and it's a rich area, I mean surely it'll be called off tomorrow - which is why I don't understand why they didn't wait for the decision.


  • #807
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,452 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I think it's great :)

    You enjoy the tax you pay being spaffed up the wall is it?


  • #808
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,280 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    You enjoy the tax you pay being spaffed up the wall is it?

    In fairness if it turns out to be a waste of money it's Mannix and co.'s fault, not DCC.


  • #809
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    You enjoy the tax you pay being spaffed up the wall is it?

    I presume they won't do anything to revert unless instructed by a judge or ABP, no different than any ABP case. So unless the case is "won" by Mannix then it isn't a waste. i presume they will just make it as safe as possible without altering the works too much.


  • #810
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,336 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    You enjoy the tax you pay being spaffed up the wall is it?
    should everything in the state be stopped at the threat of legal action?
    you do know how many people use the law as a weapon rather than a defence, do you?


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  • #811
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,267 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    You enjoy the tax you pay being spaffed up the wall is it?

    Surely a legal challenge againest a 6 month trial is a waste of taxpayers money.


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