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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #1052
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,171 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    briancoolcat wrote: »
    I agree with the posters re Matt coopers guests sam mcconkey and Anthony staines the other evening talking down the vaccine and painting a very grim picture going forward. He should have someone equally qualified to counter debate their assertions as I feel it is doom mongering at best and maybe dangerous as some listeners will be making up their minds that the vaccine is not that worthwhile after all and decide not to bother with it. A few thousand texts in to the last word reminding Matt coopers that they are frightening people might spur him to get a counter debate going.

    He's got the hint.

    In his show last night he was all about the good news.

    Goes to show the how they will flip flop to be popular.

    He's a terrible host and media representative.


  • #1053
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Tork wrote: »
    I wouldn't call Tomás Ryan a loon but he seems to have the same mindset as many consultants or academics. I think we've all met the type - people who are very focused and knowledgeable in certain areas but can barely hold a normal conversation or tie their shoelaces. Some of them, I'm convinced, are on the spectrum. While some of what he has to say makes sense on paper, he never comes across as somebody who understands how real life works. It's the government's job to balance the (unrealistic?) medical advice that's being given with the reality of how things really work.

    Yeah I'd agree with this. I know everybody isn't interested in soccer but he was on The Stand with Eamonn Dunphy last year and Eamonn made some throw away remark about Lionel Messi and Tomas didn't know who he was. How many men under 70 in this country don't know who Messi is?

    Everytime he is on with Eamonn he always has some ridiculous analogy in terms of Irelands covid response but they are never good comparisons. Can't think of any off top of my head but always ridiculous.


  • #1054
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,652 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    wadacrack wrote: »
    He is very knowledgeable on this topic and has mainly been right tbh. Can see why him and McKonkey are hated by many. Seem to lack the emotional intelligence at times with the way they communicate their messaging compared to say Luke O'Neill.

    He is as qualified as any posters on boards to suggest pandemic strategy.


  • #1055
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mloc123 wrote: »
    The funny thing about zero covid now is... likely we would need to remain in the current level of lockdown for another 3 months to get to a starting point... but we expect vaccines rollout to be at almost 80% by then anyway?

    They are gonna need another bandwagon to jump on to soon

    This is why its the most utterly ridiculous time to suddenly be pushing for zero covid. Last year - sure I could see why you might want to go for it. But this year?

    Say you somehow managed to get the buy in required to pull off 3/4 more months of hard lockdown, with compliance to get cases to zero. At that point you'd have everyone nearly vaccinated anyway so what would you even have gained?

    That Staines guy is infuriating


  • #1056
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    AdamD wrote: »
    This is why its the most utterly ridiculous time to suddenly be pushing for zero covid. Last year - sure I could see why you might want to go for it. But this year?

    Say you somehow managed to get the buy in required to pull off 3/4 more months of hard lockdown, with compliance to get cases to zero. At that point you'd have everyone nearly vaccinated anyway so what would you even have gained?

    That Staines guy is infuriating

    Yup... it makes no sense. Unless of course you are tring to make a name for yourself by going against the grain... :)


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  • #1057
    mohawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Everybody over 60 in Israel and the UAE are fully vaccinated a good long time now. Still quite a few deaths being reported though,nothing too high but more than you'd think with all the elderly safe and out of the picture, I wonder is it because populations in both countries became very relaxed after the elderly were vaccinated and it's kind of ripping through the rest of the population now..maybe the Irish government actually have good reason for waiting until most of the population is vaccinated, not just the most elderly, before dropping restrictions?

    Is everyone over 60 vaccinated in Israel. Last I had read they were having trouble getting the orthodox Jewish and Arab communities to get vaccinated. Without those two groups getting vaccinated it leaves a huge amount of people unprotected.


  • #1058
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    JRant wrote: »
    The numbers have continued to trend down, even when the resumption of close contact testing resumed.

    If you are under 65 and don't have a serious underlying condition then there is very little risk. Those are the facts and even NPHET, who are uber conservative, have said there is no issue with school's reopening.

    The only other alternative is to lock everyone away until July when we may have 80% vaccinated to some degree and that's just not a workable solution.

    What have the numbers trending down while the schools are closed have to do with my point about lack of safety in the sector?

    "Very little risk." Sorry, based on what research?

    That's not true NPHET said there's no issue. And they also did not approve 1-2nd class returning early with the other classes.

    There is another alternative actually. My point is, which I don't understand why its so difficult, is that there are no new safety measures in the education sector especially in light of the new variant, and which the ECDC and others recommend.


  • #1059
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    I know as a teacher you're very worried about going back.

    Would you not just take the decision to not go back?

    You're convinced it's too dangerous so maybe take the decision yourself.

    Still trolling I see.

    You were banned from the school thread with good reason. All you do is troll instead of doing your best to honestly reply.

    I am not a teacher. We have gone over this before numerous times, and I KNOW you know this.

    My decision lies in the area of a parent to my kids and making the best decision I can for them. One that I really don't have great options in as if we were to keep them home we lose their teacher's support. Trot on.


  • #1060
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    Klonker wrote: »
    Yeah I'd agree with this. I know everybody isn't interested in soccer but he was on The Stand with Eamonn Dunphy last year and Eamonn made some throw away remark about Lionel Messi and Tomas didn't know who he was. How many men under 70 in this country don't know who Messi is?

    .

    I heard that podcast too. Thought it was very on-brand for Tomas not to have a clue about something to do with sport :)


  • #1061
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    I heard that podcast too. Thought it was very on-brand for Tomas not to have a clue about something to do with sport :)

    I've little interest in sport, very much a couldn't care less about it - particularly professional sport. It's irrelevant to the topic on hand.

    I don't think that has any bearing whatsoever in the validity of his comments. Incidentally, I would think he's being somewhat pessimistic, given the data we have.


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  • #1062
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,277 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Varadkar tweeting about a standard EU vaccine certificate. Wonder what that involves?

    https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1364939985586171905


  • #1063
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    What have the numbers trending down while the schools are closed have to do with my point about lack of safety in the sector?

    "Very little risk." Sorry, based on what research?

    That's not true NPHET said there's no issue. And they also did not approve 1-2nd class returning early with the other classes.

    There is another alternative actually. My point is, which I don't understand why its so difficult, is that there are no new safety measures in the education sector especially in light of the new variant, and which the ECDC and others recommend.

    NPHET recommended a phased return which is what we are doing


  • #1064
    tucker1971
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭tucker1971


    Tork wrote: »
    I wouldn't call Tomás Ryan a loon but he seems to have the same mindset as many consultants or academics. I think we've all met the type - people who are very focused and knowledgeable in certain areas but can barely hold a normal conversation or tie their shoelaces. Some of them, I'm convinced, are on the spectrum. While some of what he has to say makes sense on paper, he never comes across as somebody who understands how real life works. It's the government's job to balance the (unrealistic?) medical advice that's being given with the reality of how things really work.

    I agree. I heard Dunphy interviewing Ryan once on a podcast.
    Dunphy was making some sort of point and brought up Barcelona and Lionel Messi, cue silence from Ryan, then he tells Dunphy he has no idea who Messi is.
    Now Im not saying everyone would know, but 99% of men of Ryans generation would.


  • #1065
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Varadkar tweeting about a standard EU vaccine certificate. Wonder what that involves?

    https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1364939985586171905
    And he includes two photos of him sitting at a desk because...? :confused:


  • #1066
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Deleted User wrote: »
    NPHET recommended a phased return which is what we are doing

    They specifically recommended up to Sr. Infants, don't be disingenuous.


  • #1067
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Ficheall wrote: »
    And he includes two photos of him sitting at a desk because...? :confused:

    One for each important person he's talking to ;)


  • #1068
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    There you have it - to get people to take you seriously, no matter what your field, you have to know who Messi is. I guess Leo had the right idea quoting LOTR and Mean Girls.


  • #1069
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,277 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Ficheall wrote: »
    And he includes two photos of him sitting at a desk because...? :confused:

    Usual pr stuff of being seen to be doing important business with EU, usual stuff really


  • #1070
    IrishStuff09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭IrishStuff09


    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1364944244180455428

    7 day positivity drops below 5% to 4.8!


  • #1071
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    What a condescending prick! No positivity aloud!!

    https://twitter.com/astaines/status/1364898134187520002?s=21

    He's a domestic extremist. I see him in the same vein as the Gemma O'Doherty's of the world. He's out to sow fear and division.
    wadacrack wrote: »
    He is very knowledgeable on this topic and has mainly been right tbh. Can see why him and McKonkey are hated by many. Seem to lack the emotional intelligence at times with the way they communicate their messaging compared to say Luke O'Neill.

    11 months ago, Sam McConkey was charging around the place shrieking that 120,000 people were going to die in Ireland of Covid-19.

    An overestimation of 3,000%. To put the gravity of that 3,000% overestimation in context, the average annual salary in Ireland is €48,946. If you were to overestimate your salary by 3,000%, you would be budgeting for a salary of €1,468,380 (i.e. three times your annual salary every single month).

    That's not a small overestimation. It is an overestimation which renders any further statement from him on the pandemic irrelevant.

    He is an extremist who set out to terrorise, and nothing will deter him from his insane, hysterical over-reactions. He is a figure of contempt and mockery, not a voice to whom we should listen.


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  • #1072
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,346 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    That positivity though....... Amazing.


  • #1073
    Coybig_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/nphet-says-normal-life-some-way-off-and-vaccination-unlikely-to-fully-halt-covid-19-1.4494969?mode=amp

    NPHET letter leaked to government where they describe normal as "some way off".

    Good luck with that, our neighbours are currently returning to normal in 4 months.

    Also details deficiencies in the health service. Still yet to be even remotely close to being sorted, despite the government having a year to do so. Shambolic.


  • #1074
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    IrishStuff09 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1364944244180455428

    7 day positivity drops below 5% to 4.8!

    Technically it dropped below 5% yesterday, it just got rounded up from 4.96% to 5%.

    But yeah, 4.78% today.

    The bigger deal is the 4.09% positivity rate on 18,205 tests.

    That's a steep drop over the last 3 days. Dr. Glynn (I think) suggested we could be at 200 cases by Paddy's Day and I was very skeptical. But...


  • #1075
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/nphet-says-normal-life-some-way-off-and-vaccination-unlikely-to-fully-halt-covid-19-1.4494969?mode=amp

    NPHET letter leaked to government where they describe normal as "some way off".

    Good luck with that, our neighbours are currently returning to normal in 4 months.

    Also details deficiencies in the health service. Still yet to be even remotely close to being sorted, despite the government having a year to do so. Shambolic.

    It will be hard for them to adjust come Summer


  • #1076
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    This is how India's cases dropped so dramatically. It shows how effective public health interventions can be.

    https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1364935235255881733


  • #1077
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/nphet-says-normal-life-some-way-off-and-vaccination-unlikely-to-fully-halt-covid-19-1.4494969?mode=amp

    NPHET letter leaked to government where they describe normal as "some way off".

    Good luck with that, our neighbours are currently returning to normal in 4 months.

    Also details deficiencies in the health service. Still yet to be even remotely close to being sorted, despite the government having a year to do so. Shambolic.
    The letter wasn't leaked at all. It was sent last week and published on the Government website yesterday.

    More lazy fearmongering journalism.


  • #1078
    IrishStuff09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭IrishStuff09


    seamus wrote: »
    Technically it dropped below 5% yesterday, it just got rounded up from 4.96% to 5%.


    I had a feeling you might pull me up on that :P

    Good to see either way though, and long may it continue...


  • #1079
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    seamus wrote: »
    Technically it dropped below 5% yesterday, it just got rounded up from 4.96% to 5%.

    But yeah, 4.78% today.

    The bigger deal is the 4.09% positivity rate on 18,205 tests.

    That's a steep drop over the last 3 days. Dr. Glynn (I think) suggested we could be at 200 cases by Paddy's Day and I was very skeptical. But...

    I think your theory from the other day Seamus about essentially close contact testing tracking down chains of transmission is beginning to hold more weight.

    We saw a bump when the close contact testing at day 5 restarted, a week later it was changed to day 5 and day 10. We'd only be seeing cases from 2 weeks ago in that case their close contacts being tested in the last few days. Does very much look like what Prof Nolan predicted, close contact testing would give the impression of a stalling


  • #1080
    Dubit11
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭Dubit11


    IrishStuff09 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1364944244180455428

    7 day positivity drops below 5% to 4.8!

    Swabs very high :mad:


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  • #1081
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,171 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    Still trolling I see.

    You were banned from the school thread with good reason. All you do is troll instead of doing your best to honestly reply.

    I am not a teacher. We have gone over this before numerous times, and I KNOW you know this.

    My decision lies in the area of a parent to my kids and making the best decision I can for them. One that I really don't have great options in as if we were to keep them home we lose their teacher's support. Trot on.

    How am I trolling???

    Apologies I thought you were a teacher.

    You keep asking the same questions and people are giving you all the information at hand from NHPET etc.

    But you still don't take those answers.

    So I wrongly assumed you were a teacher and said if you're that worried then don't go into school and you are entitled to do that.

    Trolling I wasn't.

    By the way many people are keeping their kids off so you wouldn't be alone.


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