The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

breezy1985 wrote: »

The vast majority of the 33 counties involved will never win Sam so it honestly hilarious watching from the outside as the previous privileged few now bawl like babies about dominance.

Try being a Wicklow, Limerick or Leitrim football fan and shure theres always the club championship to get excited about

I’d thank this twice if I could. Funny how no one was worried about fixing inequality in the GAA for the entirety of the 20th century

tritium wrote: »

Well for 7 of the decades since the 1920’s the most successful team has been Kerry, so I think that horse has long ago bolted.

(Won’t be long till someone comes back with the myth that everything was fine back in the good old days for...reasons...)

Did Kerry have their own development plan drawn up and funded for them to the tune of millions?

breezy1985 wrote: »

The vast majority of the 33 counties involved will never win Sam so it honestly hilarious watching from the outside as the previous privileged few now bawl like babies about dominance.

Try being a Wicklow, Limerick or Leitrim football fan and shure theres always the club championship to get excited about

Would funding those counties instead of the ones already with advantages not make more sense?

tritium wrote: »

Splitting Dublin being a pipe dream is the reality.

Plenty of good options have been given on here to help other counties raise their standards to Dublins level. Some counties are already embracing the opportunity, such as corks more professional approach to a sponsorship. Those are the counties likely to topple dublin, not a small group of internet users longing for a version of Gaelic football that existed 20 years ago and doesn’t anymore

Dublin spend close to 10 million per year just on wages and development. What other county comes close to that?

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Like **** you do. If even a quarter of the "true gaels" who claim they go to junior B club games, actually went to them, there would be no need for intercounty. You and all the other apologists would rather watch the sport wither and die at all levels, than reign in the sport killing dominance of Dublin.

Nobody grows up dreaming of scoring the winning point in a club championship game, no matter how much the "true gaels" of this country would try to convince people otherwise. The game will suffer in the long run from the death of intercounty.

To be fair that poster has a vested interest in this discussion with the money JP is pumping into Limerick.

Enquiring wrote: »

Over 20 counties have won provincials since the 90's. Minnows can become competitive if they get financial assistance. We know this because Dublin hurlers went from whipping boys to Leinster champions and All Ireland contenders after the Dublin only scheme was put in place.

Our games can be saved but it's up to all of us who want fair play to stand up and make it happen as those who are happy to compete on an uneven playing field won't be voting for change.

The Dublin hurlers are not AI contenders and never have been in the 21st century they have 1 Leinster title and are roughly where they have always been other than that. And thanks for allowing smaller counties the odd prov football title every 50 years

Enquiring wrote: »

We know this because Dublin hurlers went from whipping boys to Leinster champions and All Ireland contenders after the Dublin only scheme was put in place.

I have no intention of getting into a tit for tat, but the correlation between the funding of GPO's and the success of the Dublin Hurling team eight years ago is a false narrative. If you take the 1993 boys as an example, the GPO programme was only in it's infancy when these lads were beginning to play underage games. The Ciaran Kilkenny/Jack McCaffrey/Paul Mannions etc would have had very little interaction with their club GPO's as juvenile footballers and hurlers. The county development squads that they were part of would have had much more impact, than the GPO in Castleknock/Clontarf/Crokes etc.

The lads playing hurling for Dublin in 2013 would almost all be older again, in some cases 10 or 15 years older. The GPO programme can't have had anything like a significant impact on that team.

breezy1985 wrote: »

The Dublin hurlers are not AI contenders and never have been in the 21st century they have 1 Leinster title and are roughly where they have always been other than that. And thanks for allowing smaller counties the odd prov football title every 50 years

In 2013, Dublin were Leinster champions and were leading Cork in the semi final when Ryan O'Dwyer was sent off. Cork lost to Clare in the final replay that year. If that doesn't make you a contender, what does?

Past30Now wrote: »

I have no intention of getting into a tit for tat, but the correlation between the funding of GPO's and the success of the Dublin Hurling team eight years ago is a false narrative. If you take the 1993 boys as an example, the GPO programme was only in it's infancy when these lads were beginning to play underage games. The Ciaran Kilkenny/Jack McCaffrey/Paul Mannions etc would have had very little interaction with their club GPO's as juvenile footballers and hurlers. The county development squads that they were part of would have had much more impact, than the GPO in Castleknock/Clontarf/Crokes etc.

The lads playing hurling for Dublin in 2013 would almost all be older again, in some cases 10 or 15 years older. The GPO programme can't have had anything like a significant impact on that team.

Dublin had a major upturn in results at underage hurling throughout the noughties. They won a number of titles at minor and u21 level having not been challenging seriously for decades. These players obviously moved up to senior and made Dublin competitive at the top level. This shows that it can be done for other minnows. Fund them and their standards will improve.

tritium wrote: »

Again, would you like to address the actual point that the poster I responded to made?

I have. You have been told repeatedly why the split must happen.

And I take it you have no evidence for your claim that Dublin received less funding than everyone else prior to 2002?

tritium wrote: »

And you’ve been told repeatedly why you’re wrong

And evidence provided as to why you’re wrong

It’s up to you if you want to repeatedly ignore that

You've never even mentioned the close to 10 million per year Dublin now spend on wages and development alone nevermind come up with an argument as to why it should continue.

Even the Leinster council chairman has backed up the assertion that the funding has decimated the championship. Your only efforts to defend the funding disparity have been based in deflection and the untruth that Dublin received less funding than everyone else prior to 2002.

On the other hand, hard evidence has been provided to show just how much Dublin were over funded since 2002 and the effects that has had on and off the field.

JeffKenna wrote: »

To be fair that poster has a vested interest in this discussion with the money JP is pumping into Limerick.

To be fair money from CC and money from your sponsor are 2 very different things.

Enquiring wrote: »

Dublin had a major upturn in results at underage hurling throughout the noughties. They won a number of titles at minor and u21 level having not been challenging seriously for decades. These players obviously moved up to senior and made Dublin competitive at the top level. This shows that it can be done for other minnows. Fund them and their standards will improve.

I agree a plan should be put in place with money to back it that small counties can avail of. They had one back in the day which Offaly got great use out of just before winning hurling All Ireland's.

You have to have the money but you also have to be able to use it. Limerick didnt just sign players like they were Man City that success had to be built up slowly

SheepsClothing wrote: »

In 2013, Dublin were Leinster champions and were leading Cork in the semi final when Ryan O'Dwyer was sent off. Cork lost to Clare in the final replay that year. If that doesn't make you a contender, what does?

In 2013 ? That was 8 years ago :rolleyes:

superbluedub wrote: »

That was 8 years ago;)

Laois will be happy to hear they are now "top table"