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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

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  • #7952
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    greenbicycle wrote: »
    Not to add to their anxiety, but schools opening will impact the children whose parents choose to keep them home as online learning will end once school buildings open up so home schooling will be in the hands of parents alone without guidance from teachers.

    I can only see Lilly's posts when someone else quotes her. It looks like that response was to me. Pity I'm not also on their ignore list.

    Your point is dead on. Obviously no one is stopping us keeping our kids home. But neither will they be provided professional teaching and that is a MASSIVE barrier to the choice parents take. Pretending otherwise is just ridiculous. Why worry? Because we worry about our kids and the decisions we make for them. Ridiculous, belittling comment but I expect no better from their posts.


  • #7953
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Big difference between saying easing their burden and dying to get rid of their kids ,Which was my very point actually
    One shows empathy and understanding one does not

    No, I disagree. It's simply a turn of phrase people will choose to use depending on their personality and sense of humour. Simple as that.


  • #7954
    penny piper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭penny piper


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    They will be, if there is a medical need for it. The vulnerable teachers and their vulnerable family members and close contacts are higher up the list.

    The vaccination program is now running and vaccinated people will be in the community, with a lower risk of carrying, catching, passing on and becoming ill from Covid, which will in turn reduce the numbers.

    Why should teachers have to have a medical need for it? All teachers are vulnerable in schools.....Teachers are afterall supposed to be frontline workers..
    Why even prisoners are further up the vaccination list than teachers here..
    We all know the vaccination programme is "now running" but it's the scale at which it's running at and how long/promises that the government can't keep regarding the delivery of these vaccines....
    Yes when we have more people vaccinated then the country will be safer ...but this is not the moment .....


  • #7955
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    penny piper wrote: »
    Why should teachers have to have a medical need for it? All teachers are vulnerable in schools.....Teachers are afterall supposed to be frontline workers..
    Why even prisoners are further up the vaccination list than teachers here..
    We all know the vaccination programme is "now running" but it's the scale at which it's running at and how long/promises that the government can't keep regarding the delivery of these vaccines....
    Yes when we have more people vaccinated then the country will be safer ...but this is not the moment .....

    They are not frontline workers, they are essential workers- that's the difference. Why would prisoners be higher up the list? Tell me, Penny, who are you going to bump down the list?


  • #7956
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    No, I disagree. It's simply a turn of phrase people will choose to use depending on their personality and sense of humour. Simple as that.

    Odd you can’t see the difference .


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  • #7957
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Odd you can’t see the difference .

    We have a difference in opinion iamwhoiam, lets just leave it there.


  • #7958
    penny piper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭penny piper


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    They are not frontline workers, they are essential workers- that's the difference. Why would prisoners be higher up the list? Tell me, Penny, who are you going to bump down the list?

    Actually teachers are considered frontline workers.....and as regards prisoners I'd put them to the bottom.....


  • #7959
    alwayswright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭alwayswright


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    They are not frontline workers, they are essential workers- that's the difference. Why would prisoners be higher up the list? Tell me, Penny, who are you going to bump down the list?

    According to An Taoiseach, teachers are frontline workers.

    "The fact that we have been able to open our schools and keep them open is because of the extraordinary efforts of our administrators, principals, teachers, Special Needs Assistants, parents, childcare providers, cleaners, caretakers, and entire school communities.

    They too are on the frontline in this crisis and they deserve the gratitude of the entire nation."

    https://www.gov.ie/en/speech/f122e-statement-of-an-taoiseach-micheal-martin-announcing-ireland-moving-to-level-5/


  • #7960
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    penny piper wrote: »
    Actually teachers are considered frontline workers.....and as regards prisoners I'd put them to the bottom.....

    You said prisoners are being vaccinated before teachers though, how would that be the case?


  • #7961
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    alwayswright wrote: »
    According to An Taoiseach, teachers are frontline workers.

    "The fact that we have been able to open our schools and keep them open is because of the extraordinary efforts of our administrators, principals, teachers, Special Needs Assistants, parents, childcare providers, cleaners, caretakers, and entire school communities.

    They too are on the frontline in this crisis and they deserve the gratitude of the entire nation."

    https://www.gov.ie/en/speech/f122e-statement-of-an-taoiseach-micheal-martin-announcing-ireland-moving-to-level-5/

    That is 4 months old, when the children were in school. He's also referred to parents as frontline- frontline what??


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  • #7962
    penny piper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭penny piper


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    You said prisoners are being vaccinated before teachers though, how would that be the case?

    Whoever compiled the list would know idk.....as I pointed out before you do accept now that teachers are frontline workers?


  • #7963
    Icantthinkof1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭Icantthinkof1


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    You said prisoners are being vaccinated before teachers though, how would that be the case?

    Prisoners would be included I would imagine (not confirmed to my knowledge) under category’s 9 or 10
    Category 9- residents of long term care facilities age 18-64
    Category 10- age 16-64 living, working in crowded accommodation...


  • #7964
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    penny piper wrote: »
    Whoever compiled the list would know idk.....as I pointed out before you do accept now that teachers are frontline workers?

    Where does the list say prisoners are ahead?

    No I don't accept that teachers are frontline workers.


  • #7965
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    Icantthinkof1 wrote: »
    Prisoners would be included I would imagine (not confirmed to my knowledge) under category’s 9 or 10
    Category 9- residents of long term care facilities age 18-64
    Category 10- age 16-64 living, working in crowded accommodation...

    Could be interpreted like that, I thought it would have had more to do with direct provision, meat factory workers etc.


  • #7966
    alwayswright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭alwayswright


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    That is 4 months old, when the children were in school. He's also referred to parents as frontline- frontline what??

    And aren't teachers returning to school on Monday?


  • #7967
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    alwayswright wrote: »
    And aren't teachers returning to school on Monday?

    So are the parents front line workers too?


  • #7968
    penny piper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭penny piper


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    That is 4 months old, when the children were in school. He's also referred to parents as frontline- frontline what??

    Children here are still receiving education...remote education...


  • #7969
    History Queen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    Could be interpreted like that, I thought it would have had more to do with direct provision, meat factory workers etc.

    To be fair prisoners are in confined accommodation 24/7 and thus if there was a big outbreak it would be devastating. For the sake of people working in prisons also, I would imagine prisoners would have to be included at the same time as long term care residents.

    As a main steam second level teacher with no underlying illnesses or factors that put me at additional risk, I'm ok with not being vaccinated ahead of anyone else up the list, however, I think teachers in special schools and SNAs and primary teachers have a strong argument for prioritisation.


  • #7970
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    penny piper wrote: »
    Children here are still receiving education...remote education...

    I'm not sure what that has to do with my point. The context of that article is that the schools were open at the time.

    Someone who is working remotely might be an essential worker, as teachers are, but they are not frontline workers


  • #7971
    penny piper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭penny piper


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    I'm not sure what that has to do with my point. The context of that article is that the schools were open at the time.

    Someone who is working remotely might be an essential worker, as teachers are, but they are not frontline workers


    Look you don't accept teachers are frontline workers ...lets leave it at that...


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  • #7972
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    History Queen wrote: »
    To be fair prisoners are in confined accommodation 24/7 and thus if there was a big outbreak it would be devastating. For the sake of people working in prisons also, I would imagine prisoners would have to be included at the same time as long term care residents.

    I can see your point but it's too open to interpretation- if they were then the prison guards would also be prioritised, right?
    History Queen wrote: »
    As a main steam second level teacher with no underlying illnesses or factors that put me at additional risk, I'm ok with not being vaccinated ahead of anyone else up the list, however, I think teachers in special schools and SNAs and primary teachers have a strong argument for prioritisation.

    Completely agree, but I specifically asked Penny who should be further down the list to facilitate that- teachers are already further up the list than the general population. Like I said, those at higher risk are already prioritised and that will already make a big difference.


  • #7973
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    penny piper wrote: »
    Look you don't accept teachers are frontline workers ...lets leave it at that...

    I did say that about four times- you just don't seem to accept that I don't accept that teachers are front line workers.


  • #7974
    History Queen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    I can see your point but it's too open to interpretation- if they were then the prison guards would also be prioritised, right?



    Completely agree, but I specifically asked Penny who should be further down the list to facilitate that- teachers are already further up the list than the general population. Like I said, those at higher risk are already prioritised and that will already make a big difference.

    I thought prison guards and staff were prioritised? There were definitely calls for them to be anyway.


  • #7975
    Mrsmum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    I would catogorise teachers as frontline when in school but not when working remotely. Otherwise every person WFH in an essential job eg someone working in the tax office, bank etc is a frontline worker.


  • #7976
    zeebre12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭zeebre12


    I'm an SET and just had a Zoom meeting with 4th class teacher, principal and SNA. There was nothing said about SNA and me returning to school on Monday also? Is it up to the school or what?


  • #7977
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    zeebre12 wrote: »
    I'm an SET and just had a Zoom meeting with 4th class teacher, principal and SNA. There was nothing said about SNA and me returning to school on Monday also? Is it up to the school or what?

    Yep all SET back Monday apparently it is incase we need to cover.

    There should be some leeway here depending on the set up of the school. In our case we have SET at every level so I will b esitting in my room doing what I do at the minute. Unneccesary if you ask me.


  • #7978
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    I would catogorise teachers as frontline when in school but not when working remotely. Otherwise every person WFH in an essential job eg someone working in the tax office, bank etc is a frontline worker.


    Fine agreed but as frontline they should be given injection but I dont expect the government to do that as they couldnt organise a pissup in a brewery. That can be seen with how they have organised injections,

    For example there should be leeway for older couples, based on the oldest in the couple therefore done together.


  • #7979
    Warbeastrior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭Warbeastrior


    Lillyfae wrote:
    I did say that about four times- you just don't seem to accept that I don't accept that teachers are front line workers.

    Mrsmum wrote:
    I would catogorise teachers as frontline when in school but not when working remotely. Otherwise every person WFH in an essential job eg someone working in the tax office, bank etc is a frontline worker.

    But the fact that they will be back in school means they are now frontline workers and must get the vaccine soon.


  • #7980
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    zeebre12 wrote: »
    I'm an SET and just had a Zoom meeting with 4th class teacher, principal and SNA. There was nothing said about SNA and me returning to school on Monday also? Is it up to the school or what?

    Say nothing until told to go back.

    Could your principal possibly be using their intelligence and cop on and not bursting bubbles for no real reason.

    I know the bubbles that the SNAs are allocated to are being well and truly burst next week in our school with them being put into rooms where they aren't normally and then straight back into their normal rooms from the 15th.

    SET and SNAs that don't need to be in is a silly and unnecessary part of this reopening.


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  • #7981
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    zeebre12 wrote: »
    I'm an SET and just had a Zoom meeting with 4th class teacher, principal and SNA. There was nothing said about SNA and me returning to school on Monday also? Is it up to the school or what?

    Ask the principal to clarify- I don't know why this wouldn't have come up in your meeting to be honest.

    Don't be listening to this rubbish:
    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Say nothing until told to go back.


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