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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #962
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    nocoverart wrote: »
    Great news today about these known variants not significantly impacting vaccines.

    Hey! do you have a passport? might not be a bad idea to get out of the house when this is all done and see a bit of the world.

    That poster has been like readers digest for the worst possible covid news since the very start of the pandemic. Completely disingenuous.


  • #963
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    nocoverart wrote: »
    Great news today about these known variants not significantly impacting vaccines.

    Hey! do you have a passport? might not be a bad idea to get out of the house when this is all done and see a bit of the world.

    The Israeli research on 'Long Covid' is also good news.


  • #964
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The EU is contributing 1 billion to Covax for the purchase of vaccines for poorer nations, not sure what you are at but you don't seem willing to do some research before making a ridiculous claim. I've already shown your first claim was wrong.
    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_690

    I posted my source and it clearly says many countries will have to wait to the end of the year before getting the vaccine. Are you saying that all African countries are rolling out the vaccine at the same rate as Europeans?

    Or is it a case that African countries will get the vaccine but will be after their western counterparties?


  • #965
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    I posted my source and it clearly says many countries will have to wait to the end of the year before getting the vaccine. Are you saying that all African countries are rolling out the vaccine at the same rate as Europeans?

    Or is it a case that African countries will get the vaccine but will be after their western counterparties?

    You said most of Europe would be vaccinated before some African countries got any, you were wrong . Time to move on but leave the goalposts where they are.


  • #966
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    D.Q wrote: »
    That poster has been like readers digest for the worst possible covid news since the very start of the pandemic. Completely disingenuous.

    It’s just pure emotional manipulation posting things like that. It puts covid on a pedestal and perpetuates the notion that deaths from other causes aren’t as important.

    All deaths are sad, and no group on either side of this debate should have a monopoly on pain and suffering.
    The whole reason this debate is even happening in the first place is because people are finally starting to see there is no balance of interests as far as the government response is concerned, and that non covid deaths and issues are being treated as irrelevant background noise not worthy of any consideration.

    Covid has been prioritised over every single other health, social, economic, educational, and mental health issue over the last year. It has been prioritised at all costs to the detriment of pretty much every other societal concern.
    We’re barely a week into finally having a proper adult conversation on whether the current response is proportionate, and we have someone using a 16yr olds very sad death to try to manipulate people into feeling bad for thinking the length of the current restrictions isn’t warranted.

    Either way we’re going to be stuck in lockdown for the first 14 weeks of the year at a minimum, so COVID is without a doubt once again bring prioritised above all else.
    But people should be able to vent here without being guilted until feeling like a granny killer for having legitimate concerns about these rolling lengthy lockdowns, and what they mean for the future.


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  • #967
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    We’re barely a week into finally having a proper adult conversation.

    1 year into the pandemic and that's not going to happen now. It didn't happen then it's not going to happen now.

    COVID never was the priority above all other matters. The problem is COVID basically cripples every single thing you seem to suggest others are not even considering. It's a bit disappointing that one year in people are still spouting the 'COVID is all they care about' canard.

    Because it's actually everything else aside from COVID that they're trying to maintain. If someone in the world could propose a viable alternative I'd be all for it. Sadly, one year in, I've seen nothing. Nada. Zilch.


  • #968
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    It’s just pure emotional manipulation posting things like that. It puts covid on a pedestal and perpetuates the notion that deaths from other causes aren’t as important.

    All deaths are sad, and no group on either side of this debate should have a monopoly on pain and suffering.
    The whole reason this debate is even happening in the first place is because people are finally starting to see there is no balance of interests as far as the government response is concerned, and that non covid deaths and issues are being treated as irrelevant background noise not worthy of any consideration.

    Covid has been prioritised over every single other health, social, economic, educational, and mental health issue over the last year. It has been prioritised at all costs to the detriment of pretty much every other societal concern.
    We’re barely a week into finally having a proper adult conversation on whether the current response is proportionate, and we have someone using a 16yr olds very sad death to try to manipulate people into feeling bad for thinking the length of the current restrictions isn’t warranted.

    Either way we’re going to be stuck in lockdown for the first 14 weeks of the year at a minimum, so COVID is without a doubt once again bring prioritised above all else.
    But people should be able to vent here without being guilted until feeling like a granny killer for having legitimate concerns about these rolling lengthy lockdowns, and what they mean for the future.
    Oh please, you've been using mental health and suicide for months on this forum to try and further your own arguments so you yourself are not above using manipulative posting.

    Bit rich for you to be calling others out.


  • #969
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Oh please, you've been using mental health and suicide for months on this forum to try and further your own arguments so you yourself are not above using manipulative posting.

    Bit rich for you to be calling others out.

    It'd be nice if everyone could just take a step back from the emotional manipulation lines. It's not really going to progress anything.

    Can't we all just get angry at the government again? That seemed to be some common ground.


  • #970
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Awful news today with a 16 year old that died of covid. Puts things into perspective for anyone getting fed up with the restrictions.


    People are entitled to be fed up with restrictions, regardless of whether a 16 year old passed away (RIP)


  • #971
    Golfman64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Wow!!

    Truly scary stuff re:ISAG. Surely this is enough to close the conversation on these zero Covid loons.

    I notice the story hasn’t been taken up by RTE and the likes yet.


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  • #972
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭Tork


    Golfman64 wrote: »
    Truly scary stuff re:ISAG. Surely this is enough to close the conversation on these zero Covid loons.

    I notice the story hasn’t been taken up by RTE and the likes yet.

    Gript.ie looks like a glorified blog to me. And while it's worthwhile for someone to look into these claims, I'm not convinced this lot is a credible news source. It's like a shinier version of The Liberal.


  • #973
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Tork wrote: »
    Gript.ie looks like a glorified blog to me. And while it's worthwhile for someone to look into these claims, I'm not convinced this lot is a credible news source. It's like a shinier version of The Liberal.

    Gript looks like an agenda driven media outlet but they have the evidence, screenshots and information to boot on ISAG.
    It’s clear they’ve gotten to the opposition parties also as all they blather on about lately is mandatory quarantine despite so many other issues presenting.
    The mainstream media have a number of obvious supporters too - Claire Byrne on radio Tuesday referred to Tomás Ryan’s Prime Time appearance Monday like he’d been speaking gospel. Whereas I observed him attempting to sow further anxiety and doubt in the government’s strategy following Michael’s speech. It’s truly shocking RTÉ plucked a neuroscientist with an extremist agenda to get the first word on this on Monday night.
    Other obvious supporters delivering the ISAG agenda in media to me are Philip Boucher Hayes and Matt Cooper.


  • #974
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Hospitals now down to 652 with ICU at 135, unfortunately due to 10 deaths in ICU.


  • #975
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    Gript looks like an agenda driven media outlet but they have the evidence, screenshots and information to boot on ISAG.
    It’s clear they’ve gotten to the opposition parties also as all they blather on about lately is mandatory quarantine despite so many other issues presenting.
    The mainstream media have a number of obvious supporters too - Claire Byrne on radio Tuesday referred to Tomás Ryan’s Prime Time appearance Monday like he’d been speaking gospel. Whereas I observed him attempting to sow further anxiety and doubt in the government’s strategy following Michael’s speech. It’s truly shocking RTÉ plucked a neuroscientist with an extremist agenda to get the first word on this on Monday night.
    Other obvious supporters delivering the ISAG agenda in media to me are Philip Boucher Hayes and Matt Cooper.

    Just had a look at gript.ie there for the crack, Israel creating a list eh?? what next, NON vaccinated need to wear the star of David!!!
    Sorry if I missed all t his, but is that email from ISAG genuine???

    https://gript.ie/revealed-how-zero-covid-activists-deceived-politicians/

    https://gript.ie/israel-shares-names-unvaccinated/


  • #976
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭Tork


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    Gript looks like an agenda driven media outlet but they have the evidence, screenshots and information to boot on ISAG.
    It’s clear they’ve gotten to the opposition parties also as all they blather on about lately is mandatory quarantine despite so many other issues presenting.
    The mainstream media have a number of obvious supporters too - Claire Byrne on radio Tuesday referred to Tomás Ryan’s Prime Time appearance Monday like he’d been speaking gospel. Whereas I observed him attempting to sow further anxiety and doubt in the government’s strategy following Michael’s speech. It’s truly shocking RTÉ plucked a neuroscientist with an extremist agenda to get the first word on this on Monday night.
    Other obvious supporters delivering the ISAG agenda in media to me are Philip Boucher Hayes and Matt Cooper.

    I agree that there are too many Zero Covid advocates out there and that we need to hear alternative views. Especially as government policy is falling between two stools and we're getting the worst of both worlds. The problem here is that it's the wrong messenger. How many people have even heard of gript? I hadn't until about 2 weeks ago and only through here.


  • #977
    um7y1h83ge06nx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭um7y1h83ge06nx


    titan18 wrote: »
    Funeral video from a certain cohort going around WhatsApp/Facebook.

    Related to this https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/news/612564/gardai-issue-significant-number-of-covid-fines-following-large-funeral-in-limerick-town.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

    It's disappointing but nothing can be done about those situations as it's seen by many as politically sensitive for fear of being called a racist.

    The Limerick Covid thread has been a case of walking on exploding eggshells with the above type of topic.


  • #978
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,070 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Gript is not a reliable news source. It’s a right wing media outlet headed by John McGuirk. I’m sure they’ll be delighted with the impact of their article.


  • #979
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    fits wrote: »
    Gript is not a reliable news source. It’s a right wing media outlet headed by John McGuirk. I’m sure they’ll be delighted with the impact of their article.

    Has it had any impact outside of online message boards?


  • #980
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭Tork


    fits wrote: »
    Gript is not a reliable news source. It’s a right wing media outlet headed by John McGuirk. I’m sure they’ll be delighted with the impact of their article.

    I was thinking it was somebody's pet project alright. People rightly have issues with the groupthink of the "mainstream media" but this site is so biased in the other direction, I'm not sure I'd trust it. After reading the About section, I can see why no mainstream journalists are going to want to give them any airtime. If this email is genuine (and I'm not convinced it is), this is a terrible messenger for the story.


  • #981
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,315 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Gript is mostly agenda driven fantasy.


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  • #982
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Whether Gript is a right leaning agenda is irrelevant. They have made serious accusations against named individuals which raises questions about the motivations and behaviour of these individuals. We are already aware of the attempts of some of the prominent members of ISAG to undermine the publics confidence in the vaccination programme. Such behaviour cannot be allowed to go unchallenged.


  • #983
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    fits wrote: »
    Gript is not a reliable news source. It’s a right wing media outlet headed by John McGuirk. I’m sure they’ll be delighted with the impact of their article.

    I posted the original link to this a few days back, and I regret it now reading some of the articles and the general view. I also don’t think there is enough of a smoking gun yet from those emails.

    At the same time, what has come from Tomas Ryan, Staines etc in recent days on the variants and vaccines is highly irresponsible, and probably more dangerous than the gript as mainstream media is giving them a platform.


  • #984
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭Tork


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Whether Gript is a right leaning agenda is irrelevant. They have made serious accusations against named individuals which raises questions about the motivations and behaviour of these individuals. We are already aware of the attempts of some of the prominent members of ISAG to undermine the publics confidence in the vaccination programme. Such behaviour cannot be allowed to go unchallenged.

    It needs to be confirmed if the accusations are genuine though.


  • #985
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Tork wrote: »
    It needs to be confirmed if the accusations are genuine though.

    Agreed, however Staines and Killeen were on the Matt Cooper show undermining the vaccination programme,we also had Ryan running with the claim of a new virus. I wouldn't agree with gagging them but the bullsh!t they are peddling needs to be challenged and scrutinised.


  • #986
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    People are entitled to be fed up with restrictions, regardless of whether a 16 year old passed away (RIP)

    Terrible news about the 16-year-old. RIP.
    It was distasteful by RTE to lead off the early news on Morning Ireland with this story. They had George Lee up early to talk about it, and he also bellowed out the news of the most ICU Covid deaths (10) in one day since the pandemic started. RTE's primary focus once again this morning was on all the bad news yesterday, which is not beneficial to the collective mental health of the country. As our national broadcaster, they should balance the bad news with reporting that promotes positivity and optimism.


  • #987
    FlubberJones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Terrible news about the 16-year-old. RIP.
    It was distasteful by RTE to lead off the early news on Morning Ireland with this story. They had George Lee up early to talk about it, and he also bellowed out the news of the most ICU Covid deaths (10) in one day since the pandemic started. RTE's primary focus once again this morning was on all the bad news yesterday, which is not beneficial to the collective mental health of the country. As our national broadcaster, they should balance the bad news with reporting that promotes positivity and optimism.

    I gave in on Irish news and TV in general years ago...but in the last week or so this has proven to be a huge positive... Check the doom, gloom and ****e coming from the RTE breakfast news against the huge positivity on the BBC news... no comparison at all. It's like two different planets when in reality we are 65 miles across the sea from each other.


  • #988
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,939 ✭✭✭plodder


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Whether Gript is a right leaning agenda is irrelevant. They have made serious accusations against named individuals which raises questions about the motivations and behaviour of these individuals. We are already aware of the attempts of some of the prominent members of ISAG to undermine the publics confidence in the vaccination programme. Such behaviour cannot be allowed to go unchallenged.
    I saw the tweet posted yesterday here. The guy has 13.9K followers. I don't think they can ignore it.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • #989
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    rusty cole wrote: »
    Just had a look at gript.ie there for the crack, Israel creating a list eh?? what next, NON vaccinated need to wear the star of David!!!
    Sorry if I missed all t his, but is that email from ISAG genuine???

    https://gript.ie/revealed-how-zero-covid-activists-deceived-politicians/

    https://gript.ie/israel-shares-names-unvaccinated/

    Just on the list thing, Spain according to the BBC ( maybe the BBC has an agenda who knows)is creating a list of people who refuse to take the vaccine and the list will be shared with other EU states.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55471282


  • #990
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Yesterday’s drop in ICU was down to death unfortunately


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  • #991
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    fits wrote: »
    Gript is not a reliable news source. It’s a right wing media outlet headed by John McGuirk. I’m sure they’ll be delighted with the impact of their article.

    I'd happily forgotten that cretin exists until this website was wheeled out in the last few days on boards.


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