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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #782
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,924 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    harr wrote: »
    Anyone have a reason I can understand why deaths aren’t falling like cases or hospital numbers. Surely by now we should be seeing the end of the high deaths caused the the Christmas spike ?
    Are all deaths recent or a delay in reporting deaths ..
    Percentage Of deaths seems high compared to hospitals numbers.

    Yeah I was under the impression that by now that we would be getting better at treating the severe cases after a year of this, but it appears to have got worse at times.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #783
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Some from December, January and February.

    31 occurred in February, 13 in January, 3 in December and 9 are under investigation (whatever that means)


  • #784
    Agent Avenger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭Agent Avenger


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    RIP

    I thought all care homes and hospice patients would be vaccinated by now

    They should have all had their second doses by the end of this week but unfortunately they can’t vaccinate if there are active cases in the care homes so it looks like it will be another few weeks before all care homes will be completed.


  • #785
    is_that_so
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    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    31 occurred in February, 13 in January, 3 in December and 9 are under investigation (whatever that means)
    It means we report suspected COVID deaths as well. Some or all of those 9 could be denotified as COVID deaths.


  • #786
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,173 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    I know this has been asked before.

    Are the deaths counted as people who died of Covid or died and were positive at the time?

    I've never seen an answer to this question.


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  • #787
    Agent Avenger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭Agent Avenger


    harr wrote: »
    Anyone have a reason I can understand why deaths aren’t falling like cases or hospital numbers. Surely by now we should be seeing the end of the high deaths caused the the Christmas spike ?
    Are all deaths recent or a delay in reporting deaths ..
    Percentage Of deaths seems high compared to hospitals numbers.

    There are still a lot of outbreaks in care homes, a third of them had outbreaks a few weeks ago, not sure of the number at the moment. Care home residents don’t usually get sent to hospital hence why there’s such a disparity between lower hospital figures but we still have a high number of deaths.


  • #788
    Jim_Hodge
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    RIP

    I thought all care homes and hospice patients would be vaccinated by now

    Not all deaths were care home or hospice patients and many of those that died would gave been ill for quite some time.


  • #789
    harr
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    Agent Avenger wrote: »
    There are still a lot of outbreaks in care homes, a third of them had outbreaks a few weeks ago, not sure of the number at the moment. Care home residents don’t usually get sent to hospital hence why there’s such a disparity between lower hospital figures but we still have a high number of deaths.
    Thanks I , didn’t release some care home cases are not sent to ICU


  • #790
    Dr. Bre
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    George lee saying extreme caution needed


  • #791
    is_that_so
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    harr wrote: »
    Thanks I , didn’t release some care home cases are not sent to ICU
    Colm Henry has talked about this a few times. It's often not the appropriate decision to move very frail people. In this scenario they tend to get end of life care where they are.


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  • #792
    greensausage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 221 ✭✭greensausage


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    George lee saying extreme caution needed

    Thats unusual, are you sure??


  • #793
    shinzon
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    One of the 3 'Brazilian variant' sequences is now on Nextstrain. It is P2 (or 20B/S484K) rather than P1, was sampled on 1 Feb and is from a case in Waterford. Also 'exposed' in Waterford, so it may be a secondary case.
    See https://nextstrain.org/ncov/europe?f_country=Ireland&f_recency=3-7%20days%20ago,1-2%20days%20ago and https://covariants.org/variants/S.E484

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  • #794
    harr
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    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    George lee saying extreme caution needed
    I will be more worried if George ever comes out with something positive. I would say he is great craic on a night out ..


  • #795
    Faugheen
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    16 years old.

    F*cking hell that's horrific.


  • #796
    kennethsmyth
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    pjohnson wrote: »
    Apparently the patriots are trying to organise a protest for Saturday. Hopefully the Gardai deal with them. They stopped some Dublin hairdresser looking for publicity earlier today at least.

    They need stricter fines to stop that rubbish if we are to ever get things open, just strip the business from her for good.

    Strip the business and all her staff permanently lose their jobs? Well done for that brilliant piece of deduction.


  • #797
    Arduach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Arduach


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    George lee saying extreme caution needed

    I'd say George goes for a crap with 'extreme caution'.


  • #798
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    I've been thinking about it (danger here).

    Proper experts are fairly confident that the vaccines are going to be strong enough to repel these newly emerging variants. At the very least prevent serious illness/hospitalisation. So if that is the case (and if we can't trust the real experts then who else should we go to?), is international arrivals/hotel quarantine really required?

    If thousands are coming in from Brazil, as has been reported, then why are our numbers still dropping? I'm only speculating here - but is it really as bad as some of the doom-mongers are telling us?

    To be honest, I'd still fancy my chances with it unvaccinated - so when all the aul' wans and aul' lads are jabbed what would be the reasons for not just getting on with it?

    Why should we still be looking for this quarantine thing now? Is it worth really it at this point?


  • #799
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    George fawning over the Californian variant, I tell ye lads it's the Kerry variant that will prove to be totally unaffected by a vaccine. Nothing will stop the desire to wear a flat cap and speak in tongues.


  • #800
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    I've been thinking about it (danger here).

    Proper experts are fairly confident that the vaccines are going to be strong enough to repel these newly emerging variants. At the very least prevent serious illness/hospitalisation. So if that is the case (and if we can't trust the real experts then who else should we go to?), is international arrivals/hotel quarantine really required?

    If thousands are coming in from Brazil, as has been reported, then why are our numbers still dropping? I'm only speculating here - but is it really as bad as some of the doom-mongers are telling us?

    To be honest, I'd still fancy my chances with it unvaccinated - so when all the aul' wans and aul' lads are jabbed what would be the reasons for not just getting on with it?

    Why should we still be looking for this quarantine thing now? Is it worth really it at this point?

    It’s not really the known variants that are the issue it is the unknown ones. If one emerges that the vaccine cannot handle and it is already in the country then we are screwed.


  • #801
    Jinglejangle69
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    Faugheen wrote: »
    16 years old.

    F*cking hell that's horrific.

    It's very sad.

    Viruses of all sorts kill people of all ages every year.

    Unfortunately covid was never going to be any different.


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  • #802
    thebronze14
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    seamus wrote: »
    That letter was written a week ago to be fair. Journos always go with "The latest letter from NPHET" and conveniently forget to mention that it's already a week out of date.

    Interesting data here virus spread in various scenarios;
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776937

    TL;DR: The worst offenders for causing viral spread are as one would expect, Restaurants, Bars, Churches and .... Gyms.

    Granted the data is from the US, where Gym culture and Gym etiquette might be very different. But still, it goes to show that reopening Gyms may not be the low-risk action that gym goers believe it is.
    I never got that narrative about gyms...Some may be better than others but an indoor setting, little ventilation, people breathing heavily and the sharing of equipment wouldn't be the best place to reopen quickly...I'm a member of one but I would think they should be well down the line!


  • #803
    Loafing Oaf
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    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    I
    Why should we still be looking for this quarantine thing now? Is it worth really it at this point?

    By the time it actually gets up and running it might very well not be...


  • #804
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,173 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    jackboy wrote: »
    It’s not really the known variants that are the issue it is the unknown ones. If one emerges that the vaccine cannot handle and it is already in the country then we are screwed.

    No we're not.

    They said they will just adjust the vaccine to stop a strain that evades it and people will get a booster.

    No point scaremongering like this.


  • #805
    Sweet.Science
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    kennethsmyth wrote: »
    Strip the business and all her staff permanently lose their jobs? Well done for that brilliant piece of deduction.

    The haves and the have nots . Covid isn't affecting the middle class financially so screw the rest


  • #806
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    jackboy wrote: »
    It’s not really the known variants that are the issue it is the unknown ones. If one emerges that the vaccine cannot handle and it is already in the country then we are screwed.

    Known unknowns eh? Sounds like a reason to lockdown forever. No one in or out , back to a 19th century agriculture based society. Sounds delightful.


  • #807
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    jackboy wrote: »
    It’s not really the known variants that are the issue it is the unknown ones. If one emerges that the vaccine cannot handle and it is already in the country then we are screwed.

    So perma-lock down then? Just in case, like. Grand so, thanks.


  • #808
    runawaybishop
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    I know this has been asked before.

    Are the deaths counted as people who died of Covid or died and were positive at the time?

    I've never seen an answer to this question.

    Covid must be a contributing factor to go on a death cert. They must still have it when they die and if they died of, e.g, trauma then covid must not be put on the cert.


  • #809
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,173 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Covid must be a contributing factor to go on a death cert. They must still have it when they die and if they died of, e.g, trauma then covid must not be put on the cert.

    So if they had a heart attack and went into hospital and caught covid and died of heart complications unrelated to Covid it goes down as a covid death???

    Sorry still confused.


  • #810
    Tyrone212
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    ginoginelli wrote: »
    I'm watching the dail here, the Government, as expected, getting hammered on their disgraceful stance on travel.

    Increduously, there is a question on whether meat workers will be deemed essential and exempt from hotel quaratining!!

    The ****ing criminals in this corrupt coalition that are in cahoots with the beef barons are behind this no doubt.

    Brazilian variant likes this question.


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  • #811
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    The haves and the have nots . Covid isn't affecting the middle class financially so screw the rest

    Not a fan of Leo , but prior to Christmas when he was against going into level 5 he said those advocating level 5 would not be finding themselves on PUP as a result.
    One thing that has become quite evident throughout is, we are clearly not all in this together.


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