When will it all end?

W123-80's wrote: »

Not sure to be honest. The researchers don't appear to fully understand the reasons behind the high rate of infection themselves yet, but the paragraph below offers insight.

"The researchers say the reasons behind this high rate of infection are not yet clear. Strictly-Orthodox families have significantly larger households than the UK average (average in the community 5-6 individuals per house compared to a UK average of 2.3). They also live in areas of increased population density, and in pre-pandemic times have regular attendance at communal events and gatherings."

https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2021/sars-cov-2-infection-rate-very-high-amongst-uk-strictly-orthodox-jewish

Orthodox Jews have been really bad at adhering to the rules. Partly "god will protect us" attitude. They were the worst hit early in the pandemic and then they were less likely, as a group, adhere to lockdown restrictions. So I've read anyway

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Well the first thing I would suggest it to be realistic. Nobody is suggesting we will all be vaccinated by August.

They're hoping to ramp it up to 250k per week from April (supply allowing). The would mean we could be all done mid June-July.

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Well, you said you had a partner, so you must have some social life?

No travel and no parents. Travel can be very important to some and I'm not saying it's not. I don't know why you didn't visit your parents more last year, we went on holiday with my Mam in a hotel etc. last summer but you seem to regret that now.

So all legitimate concerns and claustrophobia could be an issue too.

All I can say is write to all your local TDs and councillors, that's what they're there for. No point in getting too angry if you can avoid as won't do you any good. It's like being angry with the tide for coming in. So in summary, use the democratic tools at your disposal, you could even start a political party etc

I. Listen.

I erm.

Fk you made me laugh actually. Listen your advice is bizarre and pointless as starting political party isnt an essential activity and last time I checked you dont start 1 over the internet. But damn that was funny

I have a bad feeling that if I tell you I can only go 5km from my home at any day you ll tell me "well you said you can walk 5km, you see at least you can walk that much"

Idont know whether to cry or laugh

landofthetree wrote: »

Gript can reveal that members of the Zero-Covid advocacy group ISAG have recently been instructed to “look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety, and uncertainty.”

The revelation comes from a trove of hundreds of emails, draft documents, and ISAG internal communications that were recently leaked to Gript.

https://gript.ie/look-for-ways-to-increase-insecurity-anxiety-and-uncertainty-zero-covid-document/

Has there been any more on this. It is utterly bonkers if true. If not, defamation/fake news?

If Anthony Staines, DCU Professor, had any part in this, even if it was nothing to do with DCU surely there would be major questions over his employment with that institution.

Anyone can state an opinion but for "experts" to seemingly have guidance/a strategy in writing to manipulate the public like that is possibly the maddest thing I've heard since the start of the pandemic.

W123-80's wrote: »

Its the cautious approach.

We are not the only country taking a cautious approach.
About an hour ago on this very thread someone mentioned Israel re-implementing a curfew for a religious holiday festival they have this weekend. Despite them having one of the most successful vaccination roll-outs worldwide and far lower case numbers.

We need to get the numbers down before we can look to ease restrictions.

And Israel is lauded as one of the biggest success stories in this whole vaccination attempt. They imposed some additional restrictions for this weekend because they were necessary.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

The like / dislike ratio is pretty telling.

Useless muppets.

Leo says "vaccines are being rolled out and we know vaccines work" so why the fk are you keeping us in level 5 for another 6 weeks if over 10,000 people get vaccinated daily and 260,000 have already received their jab??

400k in receipt of PUP. Fkin hell

Vaccines are being rolled out and we know they work. But you know it will take time to get them rolled out and it will take time to get back to normal. Acting surprised every day that we're still in level 5, is childish. You're free to do it, but I don't think it will make you happier.

Sick of it all now

The pro lockdown people are praying things go belly up here and with the UK plans (a realistic way of getting out of this hell) and then all this doom and gloom all over the media

It's not about wanting to go out for a pint, it's about having the right to live a proper life and not be locked away. We were told the vaccine was the saver but they have the excuses ready about 'supply and the shortages of staff to vaccinate' etc

MM with the new Variant been a new virus and Then Leo with his 4th wave talk, how are they getting away with it

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Vaccines are being rolled out and we know they work. But you know it will take time to get them rolled out and it will take time to get back to normal. Acting surprised every day that we're still in level 5, is childish. You're free to do it, but I don't think it will make you happier.

Ive told you before - I am delighted you dont struggle paying your mortgage.

Its good not to be affected economically by restrictions and all power to you.

I frankly believe adopting your "lets wait and see approach" will result in us not having much to ease restrictions for. You do realize when thousands SMEs go out of business they dont come back because man on a telly says they can operate right?

I think we need to have an adult conversation here.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Yes.

At the start of January, we had a handful of people vaccinated, thousands of cases a day, and level 5 restrictions.

Today, we have more people vaccinated than total cases since the start of the pandemic, hundreds of cases a day, and level 5 restrictions.

Do you not think that's reason enough to ease things a bit? Nothing drastic like, just lift the 5k, open construction, and allow a handful of people to gather outdoors socially.

5km cant be lifted- if it does evictions will sky rocket. Already discussed in another thread.

If they had a way of imposing eviction ban on economical grounds they would and we would not be the only country in EU with 5km restriction.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Of all people to be making excuses for Government feckups I didn't think you'd be one. I'm getting worried!

Not an excuse. Just stating facts.

I mean lets look at it honestly and logically, 5km shouldve been lifted yesterday. but it wasnt. it shouldve been at least extended to 10km or just within your country - but it wasnt.

There is a specific reason for that. Covid isnt gonna spread more if you can walk 5km or 10 km from your home. like where are you gonna go? beach? park? hardly covid hotspots.

There is something more to 5km than meets the eye.

And no - no excuses. it should be lifted ... its a disgrace. protests will start and then average Joe sitting at home eating dominos will complain about protesters driving up covid cases as he is putting on 10 - 20 - 30 extra KG. :rolleyes:

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Compare what articles?

Ah the polls, polls are far from bull****, what a ridiculous generalisation to make, i read the same nonsense every time there is a political poll, always rubbished if it doesn't conform to their own narrative. They are the most reliable and scientific method we have of gauging public opinion but never mind you overheard someone in the supermarket

Or read from paddy green arse 769 on Twitter.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why should it have been lifted?

Also the eviction ban is directly connected to that limit incidentally.

Tin foil hat stuff isnt it? :pac:

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Ive told you before - I am delighted you dont struggle paying your mortgage.

Its good not to be affected economically by restrictions and all power to you.

I frankly believe adopting your "lets wait and see approach" will result in us not having much to ease restrictions for. You do realize when thousands SMEs go out of business they dont come back because man on a telly says they can operate right?

I think we need to have an adult conversation here.

I don't know who you're mistaking me for - I don't have a mortgage.

Do you think you're leading an adult conversation on the topic? Pussing, whinging and acting surprised, several times a day, that we're still in level 5 after the government laid out it's plan which suggests we will be in level 5 for at least the next month. Adult conversation indeed.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

No. If 5km restriction is ended the eviction ban is ended too. The two are linked.

You haven't dealt with your justification for lifting it given our rate of incidence of disease.

Please do so...

I saw this the other day by Gavin Reilly of Virgin News, he confirmed this is the case. The only reason for the 5k limit is to prevent evictions.

Got nothing to do with Tinfoil.

bullvine wrote: »

I saw this the other day by Gavin Reilly of Virgin News, he confirmed this is the case. The only reason for the 5k limit is to prevent evictions.

Got nothing to do with Tinfoil.

So if I go to a beach 7km from me - I wont get fined then right?