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Guinness Pro12 Season 2020-2021

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    #722
    PMC83
    Registered Users Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭PMC83


    I read something on FB this morning about Eir and Virgin settling the issue, cant find anything online though. Would be nice to get eirsports back on the virgin packet


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    #723
    mike_cork
    Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    PMC83 wrote: »
    I read something on FB this morning about Eir and Virgin settling the issue, cant find anything online though. Would be nice to get eirsports back on the virgin packet

    https://www.irishtimes.com/1.4489641


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    #724
    PMC83
    Registered Users Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭PMC83


    Nice, hopefully they sort it for the Rainbow cup, if that goes ahead!


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    #725
    Former Former Former
    Registered Users Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Doesn't say whether or not the channels will be restored though.


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    #726
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,356 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    The Inbetween is mine wrote: »
    I think we should all just take a minute to appreciate this!

    No. Buer's reign of terror needs to be stopped.


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    #727
    PMC83
    Registered Users Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭PMC83


    Former Former Former wrote: »
    Doesn't say whether or not the channels will be restored though.


    Fingers crossed they are


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    #728
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,170 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    This has shambles written all over it. No way at all any South African rugby teams should be let come here until September.

    Stick to pro12 full season and reassess in early July


    https://twitter.com/DjRossouw87/status/1363472986431516678?s=19


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    #729
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,839 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    This has shambles written all over it. No way at all any South African rugby teams should be let come here until September.

    Stick to pro12 full season and reassess in early July
    Why should they not be allowed to travel North? If they quarantine when the arrive and then follow the usual regular testing regime I don't see an issue.

    A 'full pro12 season' only adds 2 games plus the possibility of two play offs BTW, so isn't enough rugby to get you past April.


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    #730
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,060 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    id rather a novel rainbow cup this season than a second half of a COMPLETELY one sided pro 14 at this stage


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    #731
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Was wondering what was going to happen with that alright. How would the nominally away venue work then for the SA teams, neutral venue or something?

    Think with both this and Champions Cup will be whatever sort of format they can do just to complete the season at this stage.


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    #732
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    The usual caveats about safety/quarantining aside, I hope the competition can happen as planned.

    This year's league is the training run that its usual detractors say it is. The sooner it ends, the better.


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    #733
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,170 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    Why should they not be allowed to travel North? If they quarantine when the arrive and then follow the usual regular testing regime I don't see an issue.

    A 'full pro12 season' only adds 2 games plus the possibility of two play offs BTW, so isn't enough rugby to get you past April.

    Well they will be moving around for starters.

    Look at the England cricket team. Test match called off because a hotel staff member tested positive and two players then also tested positive. We just need to stop inviting trouble.


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    #734
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,839 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Well they will be moving around for starters.

    Look at the England cricket team. Test match called off because a hotel staff member tested positive and two players then also tested positive. We just need to stop inviting trouble.
    The pro12 is a 4 nation competition with teams already moving around. If they're based in the UK, then the level of moving around will be no higher.


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    #735
    bilston
    Registered Users Posts: 17,755 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    This has shambles written all over it. No way at all any South African rugby teams should be let come here until September.

    Stick to pro12 full season and reassess in early July


    https://twitter.com/DjRossouw87/status/1363472986431516678?s=19

    Why not? If they are made to quarantine for 14 days and they are tested regularly then it shouldn't be a problem.

    Plenty of people can still get here from SA, at least these guys will be monitored and easily traced.

    Now I guess your understandable concern is around the SA variant, but once they are here and clear of that they will just be travelling around like the other teams in the comp. All the signs are that the vaccine is starting to take effect in the UK (and cutting transmission), that should happen in Ireland soon enough as well, and by April I think the situation could be a lot better, certainly by May.


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    #736
    Zzippy
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    If it goes ahead it might generate a bit of enthusiasm if they base the 4 SA teams in different countries, so e.g. Bulls train in Italy and play their "home" games there, etc. But I honestly can't see it going ahead at this stage, especially with the SA variant.


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    #737
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,170 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    bilston wrote: »
    Why not? If they are made to quarantine for 14 days and they are tested regularly then it shouldn't be a problem.

    Plenty of people can still get here from SA, at least these guys will be monitored and easily traced.

    Now I guess your understandable concern is around the SA variant, but once they are here and clear of that they will just be travelling around like the other teams in the comp. All the signs are that the vaccine is starting to take effect in the UK (and cutting transmission), that should happen in Ireland soon enough as well, and by April I think the situation could be a lot better, certainly by May.



    Have a look at the French squad.

    Do we really think the SA franchises will spent 4/5/6 weeks literally sitting in their hotel rooms outside of training and playing after 2 weeks quarantine etc

    We have done incredibly well to have the pro12 get so far with minimal fixture disruption.

    I think it will be incredibly daft to push ahead with this TBH


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    #738
    Digifriendly
    Registered Users Posts: 4,019 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    They should have had a proper complete season of Pro 12 fixtures with end of season playoffs as before and forget about this hair brained Rainbow Cup.


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    #739
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Digifriendly wrote: »
    They should have had a proper complete season of Pro 12 fixtures with end of season playoffs as before and forget about this hair brained Rainbow Cup.

    I don't see how the Rainbow Cup is hair brained compared to this league season to date. It's been a procession for the provinces. Munster, Leinster and Ulster are 9-0 against non-Irish opponents, while Connacht are 6-3. Overall that makes 33-3. It can't get much more uncompetitive than that.


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    #740
    Stout Warrior
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 224 ✭✭Stout Warrior


    Digifriendly wrote: »
    They should have had a proper complete season of Pro 12 fixtures with end of season playoffs as before and forget about this hair brained Rainbow Cup.

    Care to expand on that statement rather than just leaving it open ended and arbitrary?


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    #741
    Digifriendly
    Registered Users Posts: 4,019 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    Stout Warrior wrote: »
    Care to expand on that statement rather than just leaving it open ended and arbitrary?

    To have just the top 2 teams qualify for a final makes the competition a procession up to the final. Leinster will no doubt win one conference and Munster probably the other. Many matches seem pretty meaningless. What do clubs have to play for if they can't top their conference? Rainbow Cup is simply whistling in the dark with Covid pandemic.


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    #742
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Digifriendly wrote: »
    What do clubs have to play for if they can't top their conference?

    European qualification.


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    #743
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,964 ✭✭✭connachta


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    European qualification.




    Well that's pretty much over in both conference even completing a full-season . 9 games left would mean Cardiff have to win 6 and Connacht 3, at worst case.
    Quite unlikely.

    Triggering to only Cardiff and Scarlets fighting for 3rd, and on a lesser extent Glasgow and Dragons for 4th place European play-off away, really playing with smth at stake

    For meaningful games, start fresh with Ranibow Cup is the only interesting way


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    #744
    Digifriendly
    Registered Users Posts: 4,019 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    connachta wrote: »
    Well that's pretty much over in both conference even completing a full-season . 9 games left would mean Cardiff have to win 6 and Connacht 3, at worst case.
    Quite unlikely.

    Triggering to only Cardiff and Scarlets fighting for 3rd, and on a lesser extent Glasgow and Dragons for 4th place European play-off away, really playing with smth at stake

    For meaningful games, start fresh with Ranibow Cup is the only interesting way

    That is of course saying that all the results which went the way they did would have happened that way if there had been a full season. Some matches because of the way this season has been set up were simply meaningless for there was nothing to play for. Even European qualification is not clear at present as we don't know for sure the format for next season's competition.


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    #745
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,411 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    PMC83 wrote: »
    I read something on FB this morning about Eir and Virgin settling the issue, cant find anything online though. Would be nice to get eirsports back on the virgin packet

    Not very likely.

    I don't think the ProWhatever will be on Eir next year. Back to FTA is my bet.


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    #746
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,839 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    awec wrote: »
    Not very likely.

    I don't think the ProWhatever will be on Eir next year. Back to FTA is my bet.
    With CVC onboard to sell the TV contract it won't be FTA. I can see them looking for one broadcaster for the UK and Ireland. If Sky or BT aren't interested it could all end up on Premier Sports.


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    #747
    awec
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    With CVC onboard to sell the TV contract it won't be FTA. I can see them looking for one broadcaster for the UK and Ireland. If Sky or BT aren't interested it could all end up on Premier Sports.

    I am not convinced it is working out for Premier Sports. They have always been very evasive about their subscriber figures.

    Wouldn't be surprised if they don't renew, but then maybe they'll be offered it at a bargain price.


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    #748
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    It's a pity they didn't put games on a Monday during this window. I enjoyed them.


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    #749
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,356 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Think there's a difference between the Pro14 being a bit of a farce in terms of the rugby; competitiveness and results and so on, and a Rainbow Cup being a farce in terms of public health during a global pandemic.


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    #750
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,356 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Dragons play Edinburgh after the Pro14 final.

    Talk about being demoralising

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/56171172


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    #751
    b.gud
    Registered Users Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭b.gud


    Paul Smeenus wrote: »
    Dragons play Edinburgh after the Pro14 final.

    Talk about being demoralising

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/56171172

    I don't know what you're talking about it has all the makings of an excellent 10th place play off :pac:


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