The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

ooter · 24-02-2021 12:11PM

Railway cup?
2 Dublin teams in the all Ireland?
It's getting ridiculous now.
You either treat both Dublin hurling and football as separate provinces or not, if you just do it in football it just confirms that it's all about begrudgery of their success and nothing to do with the level of games development funding Dublin GAA have received or FD.
"Ah no leave the hurlers as they are, sure they're grand, they win nattin."

MayoAreMagic · 24-02-2021 12:14PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

How right you are. I have a simple question for you. If as is the want of many posters here Dublin were "taken" out of CP. Would you be for funding the development of a county ground for Dublin to the tune of PUC redevelopment?

I dont want them taken out of cp personally. Just let them pay a meaningful rate of rent on it that matches the investment other counties have to make in the upkeep of their stadia.

kilns · 24-02-2021 12:16PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Stadia are expensive and need to be maintained...

Stadia that are used and needed. PUC is not needed, it is still not even the biggest stadium in the province and therefore a waste of money

Thats why it makes zero sense for those who moan about Dublin having no stadium of their own, why would you spend 100m + on a stadium when there is one already in the city

kilns · 24-02-2021 12:17PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

What is not only a dublin issue?

games development

MayoAreMagic · 24-02-2021 12:20PM

ooter wrote: »

Railway cup?
2 Dublin teams in the all Ireland?
It's getting ridiculous now.
You either treat both Dublin hurling and football as separate provinces or not, if you just do it in football it just confirms that it's all about begrudgery of their success and nothing to do with the level of games development funding Dublin GAA have received or FD.
"Ah no leave the hurlers as they are, sure they're grand, they win nattin."

Well you can split the hurlers also if you like but id be of the more reasonable view that leaving them together for the time being will help them develop, while keeping another good team in hurling - of which there arent many. Fair enough, split them so.
Strange that you begrudge your hurlers any meaningful development. It raises questions as to whether your interest is in gaa or just a few good days out with the footballers, regardless of their biased position. Would you not rather win something where my opponents actually had a sporting chance?

MayoAreMagic · 24-02-2021 12:23PM

kilns wrote: »

games development

No not at all. The biased scenario has been created. They are wasting their time unless they treat dublin as a province from here on in.

ArielAtom · 24-02-2021 12:30PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

I dont want them taken out of cp personally. Just let them pay a meaningful rate of rent on it that matches the investment other counties have to make in the upkeep of their stadia.

Then they can use it as any county uses their ground for training etc? Or is it limited just to match days as is the case now? If so the appropriate rent is been paid.

ooter · 24-02-2021 12:34PM

I'm totally confused, how is treating Dublin as a separate province splitting it?

Enquiring · 24-02-2021 12:36PM

kilns wrote: »

Was is the appropriate word. What about now?

It's still limited to a few counties and Dublin. That it was limited to Dublin only for nearly 2 decades is the scandal and why we're left with this issue.

MayoAreMagic · 24-02-2021 12:36PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

Then they can use it as any county uses their ground for training etc? Or is it limited just to match days as is the case now? If so the appropriate rent is been paid.

No. I would allow them some leeway but it remains the national stadium first and foremost. If they are unhappy they can always go back to parnell park, or take out a loan and improve it, like others have

MayoAreMagic · 24-02-2021 12:38PM

ooter wrote: »

I'm totally confused, how is treating Dublin as a separate province splitting it?

Splitting it into counties, to compete in the intercounty game, like the other provinces.

Enquiring · 24-02-2021 12:39PM

kilns wrote: »

Yes and EUR 96m spend to redevelop it. Id like to hear one person justify that

People complain about Dublin funding but 96m for a waste of concrete dwarfs anything funding related

If stadiums are being brought into it then Dublin footballers home stadium of Croke park must be added in. Was it 262 million to redevelop and there's going to be 70+ million pumped in the next few years.

ooter · 24-02-2021 12:44PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Splitting it into counties, to compete in the intercounty game, like the other provinces.

I thought you meant treating the existing Dublin county as a province in itself and competing in the all Ireland championship.

MayoAreMagic · 24-02-2021 12:50PM

ooter wrote: »

I thought you meant treating the existing Dublin county as a province in itself and competing in the all Ireland championship.

How would that be fair on anyone else in the all ireland championship? Why would they undermine the competition by doing it? It would make winning it worthless and turn people off from the thing completely.

Has it not occurred to you that this is the current state of play in all but name?

ArielAtom · 24-02-2021 01:00PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

No. I would allow them some leeway but it remains the national stadium first and foremost. If they are unhappy they can always go back to parnell park, or take out a loan and improve it, like others have

And get a contribution of 50m like Cork got, you are after all looking for fairness?

Enquiring · 24-02-2021 01:03PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

And get a contribution of 50m like Cork got, you are after all looking for fairness?

If it was fairness on stadium spends you're looking for, then every county should receive 300 million to be in line with Dublin?

ooter · 24-02-2021 01:32PM

Dublin gaa haven't spent any money on stadium redevelopment, if they have please provide evidence?

ArielAtom · 24-02-2021 02:15PM

ooter wrote: »

Dublin gaa haven't spent any money on stadium redevelopment, if they have please provide evidence?

But you see it suits certain poster agenda to infer that CP was built for Dublin. These are the posters that do not comprehend the basics of CP being HQ to the GAA. The fact Dublin rent it is immaterial to to their failed argument. The yw ill continue to rinse and repeat the same debunked argument. Personally I would love to see Dublin GAA sell Parnell Park and use the profit to develop a 30,000 seater stadium on the Spawell site with a 50m contribution from HQ. This would see CP used only for provincial finals, AI Semi finals and AI Finals. CP is owned and run by the GAA, not Dublin GAA. That is a very simple fact that some are finding difficult to comprehend.

Enquiring · 24-02-2021 02:42PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

But you see it suits certain poster agenda to infer that CP was built for Dublin. These are the posters that do not comprehend the basics of CP being HQ to the GAA. The fact Dublin rent it is immaterial to to their failed argument. The yw ill continue to rinse and repeat the same debunked argument. Personally I would love to see Dublin GAA sell Parnell Park and use the profit to develop a 30,000 seater stadium on the Spawell site with a 50m contribution from HQ. This would see CP used only for provincial finals, AI Semi finals and AI Finals. CP is owned and run by the GAA, not Dublin GAA. That is a very simple fact that some are finding difficult to comprehend.

Oh so to attempt to deflect from the huge over funding of Dublin GAA you want to bring stadiums into it but then want to rule out some stadiums?

As has been noted, Dublin footballers played 89 out of 96 matches in Croke park between 2004 and 2020. They've played one championship game in Parnell park in the past 50 years, probably more. The effort was put in to move the Dublin hurlers to Croke park but the Dublin supporters attended in tiny numbers. So the hurlers had to move back to Parnell park which got a do up and new floodlights which were funded by GAA and taxpayers money.

Interestingly, the money for the Parnell park redevelopment came courtesy of a man called Bertie Ahern. He's the same man who granted the enormous over funding to Dublin GAA which has led to unprecedented success on and off the field within that county.

flasher0030 · 24-02-2021 02:47PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

But you see it suits certain poster agenda to infer that CP was built for Dublin. These are the posters that do not comprehend the basics of CP being HQ to the GAA. The fact Dublin rent it is immaterial to to their failed argument. The yw ill continue to rinse and repeat the same debunked argument. Personally I would love to see Dublin GAA sell Parnell Park and use the profit to develop a 30,000 seater stadium on the Spawell site with a 50m contribution from HQ. This would see CP used only for provincial finals, AI Semi finals and AI Finals. CP is owned and run by the GAA, not Dublin GAA. That is a very simple fact that some are finding difficult to comprehend.

The even simpler facts are that Dublin play almost all of their games in Croke Park, thereby making the stadium like a home ground to them. The name of the thread is The dominance of Dublin GAA - and the advantage of playing all of their games in Croke Park has been raised as a relevant point in that dominance. You might agree or disagree. It doesn't matter. The fact is Dublin play in Croke Park far more than any other county and that may be a factor towards Dublins dominance.

However your points mean nothing towards the context of this thread - that Croke Park is not the OFFICIAL home ground. Please clarify how that is relevant to the title of the thread - the dominance of Dublin GAA. i.e. that PP may be the official home ground. Considering they don't play any meaningful games there. People are not finding it hard to comprehend what you are saying. It's trying to comprehend what relevance your comments have towards the topic of dominance of DUblin GAA .

ooter · 24-02-2021 02:54PM

As I said, using cork as an example when it comes to levels of funding is ridiculous, it's only obvious the funding they received for redeveloping their ground is going to be brought in to the argument once that happens.
The money owed on PUC is Cork GAA's debt, not the GAA's debt.

ArielAtom · 24-02-2021 03:09PM

flasher0030 wrote: »

The even simpler facts are that Dublin play almost all of their games in Croke Park, thereby making the stadium like a home ground to them. The name of the thread is The dominance of Dublin GAA - and the advantage of playing all of their games in Croke Park has been raised as a relevant point in that dominance. You might agree or disagree. It doesn't matter. The fact is Dublin play in Croke Park far more than any other county and that may be a factor towards Dublins dominance.

However your points mean nothing towards the context of this thread - that Croke Park is not the OFFICIAL home ground. Please clarify how that is relevant to the title of the thread - the dominance of Dublin GAA. i.e. that PP may be the official home ground. Considering they don't play any meaningful games there. People are not finding it hard to comprehend what you are saying. It's trying to comprehend what relevance your comments have towards the topic of dominance of DUblin GAA .

It really is very simple. I'm stating facts, you are offering an opinion. I have also said I would love to see Dublin with a state of the art county ground part funded in the way PUC was. The would negate one of the perceived advantages. Would you agree to the government/GAA funding to the sum of 50m for a capex project?

Enquiring · 24-02-2021 03:17PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

It really is very simple. I'm stating facts, you are offering an opinion. I have also said I would love to see Dublin with a state of the art county ground part funded in the way PUC was. The would negate one of the perceived advantages. Would you agree to the government/GAA funding to the sum of 50m for a capex project?

Would you agree to every county getting a 300 million euro stadium built for them?

It really is a very poor effort you're making to deflect from the issue at hand. All because the games development funding Cork have and do receive blows the per capita myth out of the water.

With about the same number of youth teams and players and with a much larger area to cover, Cork have had between 2 and 7 coaches. A minuscule amount compared with Dublin. Cork have about half the population of Dublin, as does Antrim, they didn't receive half the funding Dublin received. But Cork and Antrim received similar amounts to every other county.

StupidLikeAFox · 24-02-2021 03:25PM

People do realise that Cork wasn't just handed 50m and given free reign to spend it how they wanted? That was money to develop the stadium, which the gaa were fully on board with.

Dublin were given balls of money to raise their standards and help implement a professional coaching structure. Stadium or no stadium, Cork (or any other county) did not have access to anything like that special support from the GAA

MayoAreMagic · 24-02-2021 03:29PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

But you see it suits certain poster agenda to infer that CP was built for Dublin. These are the posters that do not comprehend the basics of CP being HQ to the GAA. The fact Dublin rent it is immaterial to to their failed argument. The yw ill continue to rinse and repeat the same debunked argument. Personally I would love to see Dublin GAA sell Parnell Park and use the profit to develop a 30,000 seater stadium on the Spawell site with a 50m contribution from HQ. This would see CP used only for provincial finals, AI Semi finals and AI Finals. CP is owned and run by the GAA, not Dublin GAA. That is a very simple fact that some are finding difficult to comprehend.

The thing is arieltom, you dont really answer any questions, you just skim over the ones you cant by deflecting and posing new questions of your own. Enquiring has just filleted the angle you were pushing, and you respond by ignoring it. Therefore, you cant really be expecting people to be answrring your questions. Not unlike the dublin situation - you seem to want it suiting yourself in every way. Ask yourself, and I know you wont write your true thoughts but still, ask yourself, if the roles were reversed what would your attitude be?

ArielAtom · 24-02-2021 03:36PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

The thing is arieltom, you dont really answer any questions, you just skim over the ones you cant by deflecting and posing new questions of your own. Enquiring has just filleted the angle you were pushing, and you respond by ignoring it. Therefore, you cant really be expecting people to be answrring your questions. Not unlike the dublin situation - you seem to want it suiting yourself in every way. Ask yourself, and I know you wont write your true thoughts but still, ask yourself, if the roles were reversed what would your attitude be?

Apologies. I have asked you a question directly. I am awaiting your answer. Deflection is exactly what you are doing. Either answer it or say you have no intention of. Simple really.

ooter · 24-02-2021 03:36PM

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

People do realise that Cork wasn't just handed 50m and given free reign to spend it how they wanted? That was money to develop the stadium, which the gaa were fully on board with.

Dublin were given balls of money to raise their standards and help implement a professional coaching structure. Stadium or no stadium, Cork (or any other county) did not have access to anything like that special support from the GAA

Change the word Dublin in that sentence to cork and cork to Dublin, and change the word stadium in that sentence to coaching and coaching to stadium.

People do realise that Dublin wasn't just handed 50m and given free reign to spend it how they wanted? That was money to develop the coaching, which the gaa were fully on board with.

Cork were given balls of money to raise their standards and help implement a professional stadium structure. Coaching or no coaching, Dublin (or any other county) did not have access to anything like that special support from the GAA

MayoAreMagic · 24-02-2021 03:39PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

Apologies. I have asked you a question directly. I am awaiting your answer. Deflection is exactly what you are doing. Either answer it or say you have no intention of. Simple really.

Im awaiting your response to enquiring, because if you keep avoiding it, them you dont deserve answers from anyone else. After all, we all want fairness, dont we??

StupidLikeAFox · 24-02-2021 03:52PM

ooter wrote: »

Change the word Dublin in that sentence to cork and cork to Dublin, and change the word stadium in that sentence to coaching and coaching to stadium.

People do realise that Dublin wasn't just handed 50m and given free reign to spend it how they wanted? That was money to develop the coaching, which the gaa were fully on board with.

Cork were given balls of money to raise their standards and help implement a professional stadium structure. Coaching or no coaching, Dublin (or any other county) did not have access to anything like that special support from the GAA

Was there supposed to be some point in there? There's a big difference between implementing a network of professional coaches (which contributes to winning games) and funding a stadium (which does not).

And the point about the stadium doesn't make sense either because the GAA did build a stadium in Dublin that Dublin use almost exclusively for their competitive games. They don't own it, they don't have offices there, but they are very much getting the benefit of a stadium built on the GAAs dime

ooter · 24-02-2021 03:56PM

If it was wrong for the gaa to fund Dublin to the tune that they did surely it was wrong to fund cork to the tune that they did?
Every county in the country gets to play in CP, not just Dublin.

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