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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #392
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    tucker1971 wrote: »
    Fergal Bowers reporting that they are worried about Autumn /Winter and that vaccines may not stop tranmission. Govt also saying that unless social distancing maintained at that time that the Health service could be overwhelmed with covid and other respiratory conditions!!!
    Are these guys for real????
    Even Fergal Bowers looked exasperated with what he was reading.

    The health service gets overwhelmed every winter. The question is, will we carry on as normal next winter with a trolley crises and workplaces full to the gills with people coughing and choking over each other. If the answer is no then that means restrictions.


  • #393
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,769 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1364326940300222467?s=20

    This is a seriously concerning window into their thought process


  • #394
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    So if we get rid of Covid we will just lockdown for the flu going forward???


  • #395
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,465 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    That was something about the fact that they said they don't know if vaccination prevents transmission or not .
    So relaxation of restrictions like social distancing may lead to transmission of Covid and also we would have normal respiratory illnesses circulating more than this year , like flu .
    However this does not take into account the fact that the population will be vaccinated , and hopefully there will boosters as well being given , for variants , if not just for enhancing immunity .
    I would be interested to see the full context of that ' paragraph' . Maybe Ferghal is stirring .

    Not stirring, its in the document, however its all talking about we don't know x, y & z about the impact of vaccination.

    However that will quite possibly be redundant soon as more is coming clear about vaccination and the reduced transmission


  • #396
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    And people wonder why some of us get frustrated and feel like it's never going to end.

    If " it's never going to end " means we will always have Covid , I think that may be so unfortunately.
    But hopefully it will be controllable through vaccination and we can be getting back to normal otherwise .


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  • #397
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    AdamD wrote: »
    Vaccines significantly reduce transmission. Can we put that one in the bin now?

    Preliminary info looks very good. It will be a few more weeks before it can be confirmed. I'm sure that paragraph in the plan will be updated then.


  • #398
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Ah no.....Thomas Ryan......again......on PT


  • #399
    Goldengirl
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Not stirring, its in the document, however its all talking about we don't know x, y & z about the impact of vaccination.

    However that will quite possibly be redundant soon as more is coming clear about vaccination and the reduced transmission

    Yes I saw Tony's post after I posted . :)


  • #400
    Stheno
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    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1364326940300222467?s=20

    I think EVERYONE, including NPHET, got a right land at what happened at Christmas

    I think NPHET modelled at worst 400 cases a day in early January and it was nearly 20 times that at the peak

    So now they are being ultra cautious with currently unknown scenarios such as next winter


  • #401
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Azatadine wrote: »
    Ah no.....Thomas Ryan......again......on PT

    Thank Fûck I’m not watching! An uptight prick is all Ryan is!


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  • #402
    Indestructable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭Indestructable


    The restauranteur is good though.


  • #403
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,769 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Azatadine wrote: »
    Ah no.....Thomas Ryan......again......on PT

    They must have the shortest short list for contributors


  • #404
    Pwindedd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Pwindedd


    Bigfatmichael wrote: »
    So are women actually cutting their hair these days or just letting it go longer

    I’m reasonably self-sufficient when it comes to my hair maintenance anyway. Two haircuts a year normally and do the colour myself at home.
    I feel like I’ve had the equivalent of survival training for hair.

    Others have not been so lucky. My heart goes out to these women. I see the evidence on zoom every day.

    Soon ladies....soon


  • #405
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Not stirring, its in the document, however its all talking about we don't know x, y & z about the impact of vaccination.

    However that will quite possibly be redundant soon as more is coming clear about vaccination and the reduced transmission

    True.

    All they're really doing is laying out some concerns. That's their job. We can now start addressing those concerns. Hopefully.

    It is not a call for a winter lockdown


  • #406
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,334 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Jaysus Thomas Ryan calling it a new virus now


  • #407
    Indestructable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭Indestructable


    New virus, new pandemic. Jesus wept, Tomas Ryan. We're ****ed if he is listened to.


  • #408
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,274 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Stheno wrote: »
    I think EVERYONE, including NPHET, got a right land at what happened at Christmas

    I think NPHET modelled at worst 400 cases a day in early January and it was nearly 20 times that at the peak

    So now they are being ultra cautious with currently unknown scenarios such as next winter

    I get being cautious but assuming all adults are vaccinated by Autumn would think that would significantly decrease the number of people hospitalised and dying.


  • #409
    dirkmeister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭dirkmeister


    Tomás Ryan just said “a new virus”.

    Not a peep from Miriam about explaining why it is “a new virus”


  • #410
    CruelSummer
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    Azatadine wrote: »
    Ah no.....Thomas Ryan......again......on PT

    How is this credible? A neuroscientist Zero Covid extremist whose organisation have serious allegations against them into misleading the population and purposefully sowing doubt, hysteria and misinformation. Pathetic


  • #411
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    So if we get rid of Covid we will just lockdown for the flu going forward???

    This is what I’m wondering. Will this be deployed casually every winter now in order to compensate for our shambles of a health service? I had a family member in a&e around Christmas 2019 before any of this even took off. The place was a shambles and like a war zone. Had you brought in an RTE camera crew then you would have had the same images that we got a few weeks back when we saw inside Covid wards. Every single winter the hospitals are in crisis. Is this how it’s going to be now? Maybe they won’t shut the economy but I can certainly see restrictions on movement and social gatherings down the line in order to minimise outbreaks. Hard to know really and maybe I’m being irrational but once you give someone that kind of power it’s very hard to get it back


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  • #412
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭plodder


    "We must not have a fourth lockdown" The only way to guarantee 100% we don't have one is to never open up the current one. I fear that is where we are headed, as MM basically said the same thing.

    Have to say (again) I think the risk of a 4th lockdown should just be accepted. Remember when everyone said there could never be a second lockdown as we couldn't afford it etc.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • #413
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Tomas Ryan is the spits of your man Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs


  • #414
    blackcard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Pwindedd wrote: »
    I’m reasonably self-sufficient when it comes to my hair maintenance anyway. Two haircuts a year normally and do the colour myself at home.
    I feel like I’ve had the equivalent of survival training for hair.

    Others have not been so lucky. My heart goes out to these women. I see the evidence on zoom every day.

    Soon ladies....soon

    People dying and sick from Covid-19, businesses closed, schools closed, restrictions all over the place. But I am like you, my heart goes out to these women who are not self-sufficient with hair maintainance


  • #415
    Stheno
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    retro:electro wrote: »
    This is what I’m wondering. Will this be deployed casually every winter now in order to compensate for our shambles of a health service? I had a family member in a&e around Christmas 2019 before any of this even took off. The place was a shambles and like a war zone. Had you brought in an RTE camera crew then you would have had the same images that we got a few weeks back when we saw inside Covid wards. Every single winter the hospitals are in crisis. Is this how it’s going to be now? Maybe they won’t shut the economy but I can certainly see restrictions on movement and social gatherings down the line in order to minimise outbreaks. Hard to know really and maybe I’m being irrational but once you give someone that kind of power it’s very hard to get it back

    I don't mean to be unkind, but I do think this is a bit irrational

    Its been a **** day tbh and one of the crappiest things about this situation is that usual coping mechanisms/sources of comfort, either cant be used or don't know themselves


  • #416
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Stheno wrote: »
    I don't mean to be unkind, but I do think this is a bit irrational

    Its been a **** day tbh and one of the crappiest things about this situation is that usual coping mechanisms/sources of comfort, either cant be used or don't know themselves

    Ah yeah maybe I am. It’s not something I give much thought to really. I was just thinking out loud there. But if we have learned anything from all of this it’s that nothing is a certainty


  • #417
    plodder
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    This is exactly why I think MM was extremely irresponsible to call it a new virus earlier. The likes of Ryan will run with it and it will be all over the media now.
    Thank God other countries are not going the same direction as us, and hopefully this new variant scare-mongering will be exposed.

    Paddy Mallon (an actual medical doctor and infectious diseases expert) was on Radio 1 earlier with a much more hopeful message. As he said, this idea that the R number has to be less than 1 is a strange thing to throw into the mix, once the vaccination campaign gets going.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • #418
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,769 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    This is exactly why I think MM was extremely irresponsible to call it a new virus earlier. The likes of Ryan will run with it and it will be all over the media now.

    MOC was pathetic in her handling though. Just let him trot that out without challenge.


  • #419
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,334 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    This is exactly why I think MM was extremely irresponsible to call it a new virus earlier. The likes of Ryan will run with it and it will be all over the media now.

    Exactly and then Thomas Ryan mentioned a Californian variant,and tomorrow it will be another variant


  • #420
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    retro:electro wrote: »
    Tomas Ryan is the spits of your man Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs

    That young chap on the left now is like a young Quagmire. The presenter is like a kid with a glue-on beard too.


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  • #421
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,769 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    That young chap on the left now is like a young Quagmire. The presenter is like a kid with a glue-on beard too.

    He's a minister

    Very shallow talent pool in FF


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