Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

beggars_bush · 23-02-2021 08:36PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Sorry now but you’d want to be completely and utterly deluded to think the majority of the public want more restrictions. Not only did she just pull it out of her arse with absolutely nothing to back it up only a hunch on her behalf, but it went completely unchallenged by the other two nodding dogs sitting opposite her

Luckily boards isn't reflective of the general populace
I want the country to open up again, but we're not going to do it while people are carrying on as normal

JRant · 23-02-2021 08:36PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And even worse, contrasting Level 4 with Level 5 shows no appreciable improvement whatsoever.

Two of the benefits include having an extra 15 mourners at funerals and having up to 15 patrons outside eating at restaurants.

Beyond that, there is almost no difference.

Level 4 is like the mythical 1 pint that you used to be able to head out for. It doesn't and has never existed

An Ri rua · 23-02-2021 08:36PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

it didn't pack out hospitals between the surges precisely because we had restrictions when required.

This is hardly difficult to understand.

As for the mild virus, you might as well say that lockdown has had little or no economic effect on most of the population, so there is no urgency in ending it.

You may not be using the same expert data analysis tools as this cabal of intellectuals.

Ace2007 · 23-02-2021 08:37PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Link

Down the page

Why not sure a government source instead a newspaper article where it's spinned in a certain manner.

It's not set it stone that they will open on March 15. They will see how the virus is and then make a decision.

growleaves · 23-02-2021 08:37PM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

I thought it was obvious that the plan has always been "we can't loosen restrictions until we have the elderly/those with underlying conditions vaccinated" which will be thereabouts around May or June. Not sure what all the outrage is about today, how anyone thought we were going to go down to level 1 is insane to me. You'll be surprised by how quickly society will open up come mid-summer.

The messaging about the 'fourth wave', 'new variants' and prominent scientists ridiculing the efficacy of the vaccine kicking into an open goal on national media with no naysayers are what concern me.

Against that background, things looks bad.

If we lock down again this Autumn-Winter then a slow summer opening means, essentially, a multi-year lockdown with two short intervals (Christmas and mid-summer).

The time to protest is this summer when there's light and heat. Not when the wind and rain are back, hibernation has begun and 'oh no muh new variant 4th wave!!'

Ace2007 · 23-02-2021 08:39PM

copeyhagen wrote: »

absolute bullsh1t, heres what you said

but of course, you can try lie your way out of your scare mongering bullsh1t if you want

Excuse me - did I say that they were the current restrictions?

I replied to a poster who said Ireland's lockdown measures are inhumane - are you going to say you agree with that? When in other parts of the world have been much worse and i've given examples?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 23-02-2021 08:40PM

growleaves wrote: »

The messaging about the 'fourth wave', 'new variants' and prominent scientists ridiculing the efficacy of the vaccine kicking into an open goal on national media with no naysayers are what concern me.

Against that background, things looks bad.

If we lock down again this Autumn-Winter then a slow summer opening means, essentially, a multi-year lockdown with two short intervals (Christmas and mid-summer).

The time to protest is this summer when there's light and heat. Not when the wind and rain are back, hibernation has begun and 'oh no muh new variant 4th wave!!'

Yes. Years and years of this to come. But anyone who said it here was a tinfoil hat wearing idiot.

RobitTV · 23-02-2021 08:40PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Why not sure a government source instead a newspaper article where it's spinned in a certain manner.

It's not set it stone that they will open on March 15. They will see how the virus is and then make a decision.

Yes that's correct. Nothing is set in stone. But the Welsh First Minister seems confident of his plan.

Lets see how he gets on and congratulate him if he achieves his many goals.

Silentcorner · 23-02-2021 08:41PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

it didn't pack out hospitals between the surges precisely because we had restrictions when required.

This is hardly difficult to understand.

As for the mild virus, you might as well say that lockdown has had little or no economic effect on most of the population, so there is no urgency in ending it.

It didn't pack our hospitals because it is seasonal.

As in, our immune systems are more vulnerable to viral infections during the dark months of the year.

In this part of the world viral infections shoot through the population rise dramatically and fall off over a period of a few weeks...it happens year in year out, only this year we got a new virus.

Necro · 23-02-2021 08:41PM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

I thought it was obvious that the plan has always been "we can't loosen restrictions until we have the elderly/those with underlying conditions vaccinated" which will be thereabouts around May or June. Not sure what all the outrage is about today, how anyone thought we were going to go down to level 1 is insane to me. You'll be surprised by how quickly society will open up come mid-summer.

Have to agree to be honest, it's a case of a holding pattern until vaccinations ramp up. Which they are, as supply is gradually increasing.

We're probably on a similar trajectory to the UK - and I'm not overly convinced their plan is going to be successful due to how their second doses of vaccines are being administered ie: not at the recommended times.

JRant · 23-02-2021 08:42PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Link

Down the page

I wouldn't dignify that type of passive aggressive nonsense with a reply Robit.

pjohnson · 23-02-2021 08:43PM

Necro wrote: »

Have to agree to be honest, it's a case of a holding pattern until vaccinations ramp up. Which they are, as supply is gradually increasing.

We're probably on a similar trajectory to the UK - and I'm not overly convinced their plan is going to be successful due to how their second doses of vaccines are being administered ie: not at the recommended times.

Its Boris playing roulette. One hell of a gamble.

copeyhagen · 23-02-2021 08:43PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Excuse me - did I say that they were the current restrictions?

I replied to a poster who said Ireland's lockdown measures are inhumane - are you going to say you agree with that? When in other parts of the world have been much worse and i've given examples?

the rest of Europe is open, i sent the link earlier.

yes i think its inhumane. and i literally just proved you meant 'current' by your use of grammar.

jog on with your BS

Necro · 23-02-2021 08:44PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Its Boris playing roulette. One hell of a gamble.

Yeah I have relatives in both England and Scotland who have gotten their first dose and are waiting three months for their second dose. It's one hell of a gamble and if it doesn't work the anti-vaxxers are going to have an absolute field day.

Ace2007 · 23-02-2021 08:46PM

copeyhagen wrote: »

the rest of Europe is open, i sent the link earlier.

yes i think its inhumane. and i literally just proved you meant 'current' by your use of grammar.

jog on with your BS

The rest of Europe is open? Then why do you all want us to close the airports??:rolleyes:

Mix messages coming out there - close the airport, the ports, but open the economy - which way do you want it?

23-02-2021 08:46PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Surely someone needs to challenge him on his statement that the variant was like a completely new virus. What utter tosh!!

Up there with his "the banks were not bailed out" statement

Cushtie · 23-02-2021 08:47PM

Why not just give us the ****ing numbers.

What is the number cases must be at?
What is the number in hospital must be at?
What is the number in ICU must be at?
What is the number vaccinated must be at?

Set a target, set what will happen? if we hit it we move on if we don't, we don't.

If we really exceed them, move on faster.

But jesus this mealy mouth, half speak bull**** that man came out with this evening is an insult to people. Flying kites for the last month to come out with basically the schools are going back over the month of March.

Sick of it now. They can shag of with their 5k rule.

Silentcorner · 23-02-2021 08:47PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

The rest of Europe is open? Then why do you all want us to close the airports??:rolleyes:

Mix messages coming out there - close the airport, the ports, but open the economy - which way do you want it?

The Government are using variants to whip us into hysteria.

The Government did nothing to prevent those variants entering the country.

Simple really, you can see why people are annoyed!

Ace2007 · 23-02-2021 08:48PM

Necro wrote: »

Yeah I have relatives in both England and Scotland who have gotten their first dose and are waiting three months for their second dose. It's one hell of a gamble and if it doesn't work the anti-vaxxers are going to have an absolute field day.

Imagine if FF and FG took that approach and it backfired - the FB and insta groups would have field day - all forgetting that the demanded the country reopens with their "protests"

Ace2007 · 23-02-2021 08:52PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

The Government are using variants to whip us into hysteria.

The Government did nothing to prevent those variants entering the country.

Simple really, you can see why people are annoyed!

Of Course 100% you can see why people are annoyed, but there is a small % of people that don't give a sh!t about the virus and it's continue to spread is large numbers on a daily basis.

There is than a large number of people that are anti-government etc and they want to just protest regardless of the cause.

So like I said before, what's the alternative to the current government, labour, SD etc won't go into power with SF, so we're left in this situation. SF won't want to be a sole party in government in next election - so what's the solution?

thebaz · 23-02-2021 08:53PM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

I thought it was obvious that the plan has always been "we can't loosen restrictions until we have the elderly/those with underlying conditions vaccinated" which will be thereabouts around May or June. Not sure what all the outrage is about today, how anyone thought we were going to go down to level 1 is insane to me. You'll be surprised by how quickly society will open up come mid-summer.

Ther is always anger and frustation when these lockdowns are announced, we have had so many the past year - it would be nice to have a target of when things mught open up - a glimmer of Hope - if we really started to open in May it would give so many a very needed boost.

pjohnson · 23-02-2021 08:54PM

Necro wrote: »

Yeah I have relatives in both England and Scotland who have gotten their first dose and are waiting three months for their second dose. It's one hell of a gamble and if it doesn't work the anti-vaxxers are going to have an absolute field day.

Given how much the UK has been championed I was surprised to hear on the radio that WE have actually fully vaccinated a larger % of the population than they have. They have gone all in on the one dose.

JRant · 23-02-2021 08:55PM

growleaves wrote: »

The messaging about the 'fourth wave', 'new variants' and prominent scientists ridiculing the efficacy of the vaccine kicking into an open goal on national media with no naysayers are what concern me.

Against that background, things looks bad.

If we lock down again this Autumn-Winter then a slow summer opening means, essentially, a multi-year lockdown with two short intervals (Christmas and mid-summer).

The time to protest is this summer when there's light and heat. Not when the wind and rain are back, hibernation has begun and 'oh no muh new variant 4th wave!!'

The fact their new plan makes absolutely no mention of getting rid of restrictions, ie. a level 0 if you will, tells you everything you need to know.

The document they released today (you couldn't call it a plan with a straight face) shows what certain levels may look like. Doesn't mention the non whole integer levels but we'll be told what they are the day they come into effect. It also doesn't mention an end game or exist strategy. We have the vaccines on order. By their own back of a stamp calculation it should be around September. So why not say all restrictions will be lifted once we get to 80% vaccinated levels. The answer is very simple, we will have restrictions come next winter and looking at Level 1 they'll still be quite severe.

That whole dog and pony show today could have been announced weeks ago in a tweet and it wouldn't have made any difference. The press conference was a complete waste of time, no details, no idea of general timelines, terrified of D'VARIANT. In fact, MM comments being in a conspiracy theory, claiming it was like a new variant.

Onward and upward, looking forward to having family and friends over once the weather picks up and we can get the BBQ going.

the kelt · 23-02-2021 08:58PM

Cushtie wrote: »

Why not just give us the ****ing numbers.

What is the number cases must be at?
What is the number in hospital must be at?
What is the number in ICU must be at?
What is the number vaccinated must be at?

Set a target, set what will happen? if we hit it we move on if we don't, we don't.

If we really exceed them, move on faster.

But jesus this mealy mouth, half speak bull**** that man came out with this evening is an insult to people. Flying kites for the last month to come out with basically the schools are going back over the month of March.

Sick of it now. They can shag of with their 5k rule.

Because it’s a brand new virus did you not hear? Jeez get with the programme, COVID 19 is soooo last year.

And also Nphet want us to continue lockdown to get rid of the waiting list that were caused by lockdown on top of sorting out the new virus.

Long road ahead, we are all in this together don’t forget.

When does the new wage increase for TDS come into effect, I’d like to ring and congratulate them when it does. They’ve been through a lot.

themacattack. · 23-02-2021 09:09PM

the kelt wrote: »

Because it’s a brand new virus did you not hear? Jeez get with the programme, COVID 19 is soooo last year.

And also Nphet want us to continue lockdown to get rid of the waiting list that were caused by lockdown on top of sorting out the new virus.

Long road ahead, we are all in this together don’t forget.

When does the new wage increase for TDS come into effect, I’d like to ring and congratulate them when it does. They’ve been through a lot.

how long would restrictions last if the TDs were to show solidarity with the people and go on the PUP for the duration of the pandemic? level 1 by paddys day id say

AlekSmart · 23-02-2021 09:10PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Yeah but they're the naughtiest boys in the class and we're the bestest boys

You've been noted referring to Viktor Orban in a somewhat positive manner....Please understand this may offend some people and desist immediately !

AlekSmart · 23-02-2021 09:16PM

normanoffside wrote: »

New variant 5 times in the 1st minute

Anybody remember the VW 1600 Variant ?....By golly they could rot for Ireland !

paw patrol · 23-02-2021 09:17PM

the kelt wrote: »

Because it’s a brand new virus did you not hear? Jeez get with the programme, COVID 19 is soooo last year.

.

who knew Simon Harris was right when he said Covid19 was the 19th version.....a fcuking visionary he was.

for those with no memory

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/simon-harris-sorry-for-awful-boo-boo-about-18-viruses-before-covid-19-1.4235478

Beasty · 23-02-2021 09:19PM

Necro wrote: »

and I'm not overly convinced their plan is going to be successful due to how their second doses of vaccines are being administered ie: not at the recommended times.

The first dose get's you around 70% of the way. I don't think any of the vaccine manufacturers claim to eradicate the virus - they alleviate the symptoms, and getting some protection to everyone is not a bad strategy in my view. Yes it may be a little riskier in the sense that some may still get serious symptoms, but as a strategy it makes some sense

The second dose may well be more of a "booster", but again that may not be a bad thing. At this stage we don't seem to know how long protection will last, and that deferral of the second dose may put back any 2nd round of vaccines

Can't say I've been impressed with the whole approach in the UK, but I do think they have some of the best scientists in the World looking at this (and some of them would previously have been supporting the EU effort, where things have perhaps dragged on too long)

Boggles · 23-02-2021 09:21PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Boards meet up?

I was reading up on the main speaker and he is a bit of a character

https://www.independent.ie/life/family/the-gunman-fired-at-me-six-or-seven-times-he-hit-me-in-the-right-hip-i-had-a-feeling-that-i-had-escaped-with-my-life-pioneering-doctor-andrew-rynne-on-the-day-he-nearly-died-39950793.html

https://mobile.twitter.com/wwwandrewrynne/status/1360726319458381825

Injecting healthy old people with a lethal toxin, is not just malpractice, it is barbaric. Practitioners should be struck off.

Do not let any "frontline professional" go near you with an anti-Covid injection. It could kill you.

Why are you promoting this stuff Norman?

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