Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

Silentcorner · 23-02-2021 07:51PM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Which part of any of this is nonsense?

We surged after christmas (if you desperately want a stick to beat the government with, that's the one) - that is why we are where we are at the moment.

A new stick to whip you with? Do you think anyone is enjoying this, or anyone is really gaining anything beyond keeping the cases managable from this? You reckon the leaders of governments across the globe are sitting there stroking white cats thinking "how can we further destroy our economies and inflict hardship on our populations muhahaha".

Grow up ffs

Governments across the world are not inflicting the same level of severe restrictions that we are being asked to swallow!!!

WE know what is the likely trajectory of these case numbers, we have had 12 months of this....we have 11,000 hospital beds with about 600 Covid patients, which will drop even further as we go into March.

The Government that is inflicting these inhumane lock downs are failing us in every way they can fail us...

Where are these new variants coming from?

What are they doing differently to protect the care homes?

They are using our taxes to fund this madness and doing enormous damage to our economy as they do it in the misguided belief that we will boom once we reopen...which is simply not the case, our SME's have been thrown under a bus it will take years to recover from this, not to mention the continued health implications of these lock downs.

Grow up and stop listening to alarmists in media is my advice.

Bigfatmichael · 23-02-2021 07:51PM

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Everyone in that video is now dead.

I say they might of having a slight cough if even that.

Necro · 23-02-2021 07:52PM

ypres5 wrote: »

kermit i think i speak for a lot of people when i say that your dictatorial fantasy where people spend years at home isn't going to come to fruition. you'll have to find something else to fantasize about once people get vaccinated

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paw patrol · 23-02-2021 07:53PM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

OK, so lockdown ends and the virus is raging unchecked through the community like the UK before they locked down. Then what? How many deaths are acceptable in your opinion?

short answer : all of them

Long answer:

There will always be deaths.
The time is up that lockdown is a viable solution - it's clearly not.

There is no solution or plan from our government. I have banged on about an exit strategy for months on this page - I even wrote those specific words in an email to every TD.
I work in projects and have done for over 20years , you need an exit plan or criteria. They have none and are wasting our lives with their ineptitude and indifference.

At some stage we gotta take our chances , this virus isn't going anywhere and we should manage the risks instead of avoiding them.

My life means something to me , something more than this current existence with people like the Taoiseach (and you ) constantly shoving guilt in my face for not putting a strangers needs ahead of my own.

Sadly as with all illnesses people will die (esp the very old and infirm) but life must go on - i may die but I am also willing to risk that to live properly and let my kids live.

We have had 4181 deaths with covid , from the CSO (8th Feb I think) only about 350 of those didn't have an underlying illness (median age 84) - there were about 250 classified as unknown - classify them as you wish.
You may think lockdowns kept this low but we have had 216,300 positive cases. In reality it'll be much more.
If lockdown was great , why is this happening?
If the boarders are open , the virus will just come back zero covid or not. Its a foolish choice.

For these number of people we have shut down our entire country for a year - think of that, 5 million people locked in their homes for a year. A whole year.

You mention the Uk , they took a strategy and then S*1t the bed cos of high numbers initially which was always going to happen.
They didn't give their strategy a chance so you can't use that as an example....you could use Sweden.

Despite the anti-swedes here...they aren't any worse than the rest of the EU without lockdowns for the last year.

Ace2007 · 23-02-2021 07:55PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Governments across the world are not inflicting the same level of severe restrictions that we are being asked to swallow!!!

WE know what is the likely trajectory of these case numbers, we have had 12 months of this....we have 11,000 hospital beds with about 600 Covid patients, which will drop even further as we go into March.

The Government that is inflicting these inhumane lock downs are failing us in every way they can fail us...

Where are these new variants coming from?

What are they doing differently to protect the care homes?

They are using our taxes to fund this madness and doing enormous damage to our economy as they do it in the misguided belief that we will boom once we reopen...which is simply not the case, our SME's have been thrown under a bus it will take years to recover from this, not to mention the continued health implications of these lock downs.

Grow up and stop listening to alarmists in media is my advice.

LOL you tell people to grow up - but seemingly think that the Irish government are inflicting inhumane lockdowns? Whereas in China people are chained into their house, or in Madrid you can hardly leave your house, were in the past children were banned from being allowed out.

But please continue to think Ireland's lockdown in inhumane - the country were all coffee shops, ice cream palours etc are open. It's anything but inhumane.

23-02-2021 07:55PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

But please continue to think Ireland's lockdown in inhumane - the country were all coffee shops, ice cream palours etc are open. It's anything but inhumane.

Disproportionate is a much better and far more accurate description.

Bigfatmichael · 23-02-2021 07:57PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

LOL you tell people to grow up - but seemingly think that the Irish government are inflicting inhumane lockdowns? Whereas in China people are chained into their house, or in Madrid you can hardly leave your house, were in the past children were banned from being allowed out.

But please continue to think Ireland's lockdown in inhumane - the country were all coffee shops, ice cream palours etc are open. It's anything but inhumane.

Coffee and ice cream shops open, arn't we so lucky:rolleyes::rolleyes:

PTH2009 · 23-02-2021 07:57PM

Lost for words but no point getting myself upset and angry because **** all will/can be done about it

Protests wont work, the media will still be full of doom and gloom and everything closed once again

FML

growleaves · 23-02-2021 07:57PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

LOL you tell people to grow up - but seemingly think that the Irish government are inflicting inhumane lockdowns? Whereas in China people are chained into their house, or in Madrid you can hardly leave your house, were in the past children were banned from being allowed out.

But please continue to think Ireland's lockdown in inhumane - the country were all coffee shops, ice cream palours etc are open. It's anything but inhumane.

You're wrong. They are separating families, forcing people into multi-year isolation, destroying livelihoods.

"Not as bad as being murdered by the secret police in China" doesn't cut it sorry.

ElektroToad · 23-02-2021 07:57PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

LOL you tell people to grow up - but seemingly think that the Irish government are inflicting inhumane lockdowns? Whereas in China people are chained into their house, or in Madrid you can hardly leave your house, were in the past children were banned from being allowed out.

But please continue to think Ireland's lockdown in inhumane - the country were all coffee shops, ice cream palours etc are open. It's anything but inhumane.

The fact you had to compare us to China at all to justify these measures says enough. We were told nearly a year ago that lockdowns weren't a viable long-term strategy. But now look at us 11 months later - it's the only strategy this Government relies on!!!

copeyhagen · 23-02-2021 07:58PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

LOL you tell people to grow up - but seemingly think that the Irish government are inflicting inhumane lockdowns? Whereas in China people are chained into their house, or in Madrid you can hardly leave your house, were in the past children were banned from being allowed out.

But please continue to think Ireland's lockdown in inhumane - the country were all coffee shops, ice cream palours etc are open. It's anything but inhumane.

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-is-getting-a-new-covid-roadmap-but-whats-happening-in-other-countries-right-now-5362224-Feb2021/

good try

Spain has also started to roll back on its restrictions. Changes have been made to Madrid’s curfew time, with it moving from 10pm to 11pm, for instance.

Bars and restaurants can stay open until 11pm.

23-02-2021 07:58PM

normanoffside wrote: »

45 deaths announced today after 1 on Sunday and 1 Yesterday.

As usual a nice big death toll on the day they announce or extend restrictions.

I've been called a conspiracy theorist for suggesting this has been the case in the past.

Look at every Sunday Monday and Tuesday. Ffs

Russman · 23-02-2021 07:59PM

paw patrol wrote: »

short answer : all of them
.

I commend you for your honesty, but even in the bizarre world of the restrictions thread, that’s one of the more disgusting and selfish comments I’ve read.

How Soon Is Now · 23-02-2021 08:00PM

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

I see protests are starting to be organized already, and rightfully so.

More weather like today and be lucky to get ten people turning up.

growleaves · 23-02-2021 08:00PM

Russman wrote: »

I commend you for your honesty, but even in the bizarre world of the restrictions thread, that’s one of the more disgusting and selfish comments I’ve read.

I doubt if he believes in your Lynsenkoist predictions of mass death.

Boggerman12 · 23-02-2021 08:01PM

Eamon Ryan using the press conference to peddle his bloody green bs.unfcuking believe able

Ace2007 · 23-02-2021 08:01PM

copeyhagen wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-is-getting-a-new-covid-roadmap-but-whats-happening-in-other-countries-right-now-5362224-Feb2021/

good try

I didn't say that they were the current restrictions in Madrid, i was showing that other countries have taken far great action than Ireland ever has. To state that Ireland's lockdown is inhumane - is nothing short of a pure lie. It might be a lot of things but it's not inhumane.

Bigfatmichael · 23-02-2021 08:01PM

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

More weather like today and be lucky to get ten people turning up.

Everyone will turn up even if the place is flooded, weather won't deter us.

Silentcorner · 23-02-2021 08:02PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

LOL you tell people to grow up - but seemingly think that the Irish government are inflicting inhumane lockdowns? Whereas in China people are chained into their house, or in Madrid you can hardly leave your house, were in the past children were banned from being allowed out.

But please continue to think Ireland's lockdown in inhumane - the country were all coffee shops, ice cream palours etc are open. It's anything but inhumane.

You told me to grow up.
Yes, I do think these severe lock downs are inhumane.

If we were fighting a deadly disease that culled 10,000 s of us in the last year, you could understand it, but it too a few hundred, and impacted in a further 3,800 deaths to some degree or another.

If we were fighting a virus that packed our hospitals out for 12 months I might see the need, but we have 11,000 hospital beds, outside of our two surges, we are seeing 400 or less Covid patients....

This is an hysterical over reaction driven by fear of a mild but unpleasant virus.

manutd · 23-02-2021 08:02PM

Level 1 of the new plan

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Only allows Up to 10 visitors from up to 3 households
Up to 100 guests for wedding ceremony and reception
Up to 100 patrons; Up to 200 patrons permitted for larger indoor venues.

Up to 200 patrons for majority of venues; Up to 500 patrons for outdoor stadia or other fixed outdoor venues with a minimum accredited capacity of 5000

Not much of a Level 1.

Coillte_Bhoy · 23-02-2021 08:02PM

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

Everyone will turn up even if the place is flooded, weather won't deter us.

Who's 'everyone'?

MOH · 23-02-2021 08:03PM

You can tell the level of care and attention that's gone into the new "plan" by the fact that parts of the 5 stage framework included at the bottom is the original one from last September (e.g. pubs open at level 3 and 4, etc). The one that was obsolete immediately, where the only actual stages in reality are non-integers between 3 and 6.

The incompetence isn't even surprising any more.

The only actually useful thing in the whole document is a long list of support and counselling services near the end, that's about it.

blueser · 23-02-2021 08:03PM

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »

Everyone in that video is now dead.

Evidence/proof of that, please. Not just hearsay, either.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 23-02-2021 08:04PM

manutd wrote: »

Level 1 of the new plan

Only allows Up to 10 visitors from up to 3 households
Up to 100 guests for wedding ceremony and reception
Up to 100 patrons; Up to 200 patrons permitted for larger indoor venues.

Up to 200 patrons for majority of venues; Up to 500 patrons for outdoor stadia or other fixed outdoor venues with a minimum accredited capacity of 5000

Not much of a Level 1.

Wait that's level one?!

Good jesus.

Bigfatmichael · 23-02-2021 08:04PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Who's 'everyone'?

People who are sick of restrictions and todays announcement is the last straw, this is spreading like wildfire now on social media.

How Soon Is Now · 23-02-2021 08:04PM

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

Everyone will turn up even if the place is flooded, weather won't deter us.

What difference will it make ultimately apart from a few people feeling "proud"?

They make absolutely no difference.

23-02-2021 08:04PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Saturday 2pm on St Stephen's green and while the organisers are a bit wacky they are not radical racist types who have organised previous demos.
Their speakers and musicians are mostly hippy types. I'll be there.

I posted thee below the other day and checked them all out and I don't have issues with any of the speakers or performers:

Here is one of your brave hero’s

https://mobile.twitter.com/wwwandrewrynne/status/1360726319458381825

Kermit.de.frog · 23-02-2021 08:06PM

ElektroToad wrote: »

The fact you had to compare us to China at all to justify these measures says enough. We were told nearly a year ago that lockdowns weren't a viable long-term strategy. But now look at us 11 months later - it's the only strategy this Government relies on!!!

A lot of countries are still in lockdown or drifting in and out. It has never been the long term strategy though.

The long term strategy is to get to a place where society can move on alongside the disease through vaccinations and minor health precautions (social distancing, mask wearing, that type of thing) without the need for the current type of restrictions or these tiered restrictions so people can return to their pre-covid lives.

It would be unwise to open things up until a critical mass of the population has received a vaccine.

thebaz · 23-02-2021 08:06PM

Maybe I should be more angry, about the extended lockdown, one of the longest of any country in the world, and am no fan of dithering Martin - but I have an acceptance today, its the silence of the opposition that has made me apathetic, with parties I used to support, cheerleading Covid Zero when we have 1,000 cases a day, and open borders and airports - I'm waving the white flag and accepting our complete over-rection to the virus, suspending life for so many , cause the alternative actually seams worse.

An Ri rua · 23-02-2021 08:06PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

You told me to grow up.
Yes, I do think these severe lock downs are inhumane.

If we were fighting a deadly disease that culled 10,000 s of us in the last year, you could understand it, but it too a few hundred, and impacted in a further 3,800 deaths to some degree or another.

If we were fighting a virus that packed our hospitals out for 12 months I might see the need, but we have 11,000 hospital beds, outside of our two surges, we are seeing 400 or less Covid patients....

This is an hysterical over reaction driven by fear of a mild but unpleasant virus.

Thank you for your service (I presume you're a doctor at least and hopefully a viral infections specialist and God forbid not just a sh1tetalker)?

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