Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

23-02-2021 12:43AM

ypres5 wrote: »

raind there were posters queueing up last week to tell me i was naive and that the UK and irish plans were going to be identical

They won’t be too far apart. We just won’t be flagging it months in advance

23-02-2021 12:49AM

I often wonder, why do so many here spend so much time watching Claire Byrne et al if it upsets you so much? It’s not like 1985 when all you could do was watch RTE.

I can safely say that the number of times I have watched The Claire Byrne show is 1, and only watch the news when there is a big announcement. The website can link some decent information, but with the caveat that if there is something that seems a bit off, or doesn’t match what you see elsewhere, it’s best to look for verification. There are loads of independent sources where you can get fact based information without watching the news if it offends you so much.

23-02-2021 12:58AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They won’t be too far apart. We just won’t be flagging it months in advance

You have to be deluded to believe this. Our Taoiseach has already mentioned severe lockdown until May.

They are talking about normality returning in June.

I think Tony and MM would have a meltdown if someone mentioned nightclubs

ypres5 · 23-02-2021 12:58AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They won’t be too far apart. We just won’t be flagging it months in advance

i wish i shared your optimism, i want to be out enjoying my 20s rather than sat watching old wwe matches but there isn't a hope in hell international travel will be up and running by the summer

23-02-2021 01:09AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You have to be deluded to believe this. Our Taoiseach has already mentioned severe lockdown until May.

They are talking about normality returning in June.

I think Tony and MM would have a meltdown if someone mentioned nightclubs

Well level 5 is only going to April5th, which is only 1 week after uk go from an equivalent of 5 to 4

https://m.independent.ie/news/level-5-restrictions-until-at-least-april-5-under-governments-new-living-with-covid-19-plan-40121193.html

RGS · 23-02-2021 01:14AM

Level 5 is for review on April 5, no guarantee anything will change.
Martin already stated to the mirror last Thursday we faced another 9 weeks of severe restrictions.

I don't buy the suggestion they are under promising to over deliver.

23-02-2021 01:16AM

RGS wrote: »

Level 5 is for review on April 5, no guarantee anything will change.
Martin already stated to the mirror last Thursday we faced another 9 weeks of severe restrictions.

I don't buy the suggestion they are under promising to over deliver.

Level 4 would qualify as severe. Level 3 possibly also

everlast75 · 23-02-2021 01:20AM

A bit of levity

https://twitter.com/LizHcks/status/1363404543250235394?s=19

Martin567 · 23-02-2021 01:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

They won’t be too far apart. We just won’t be flagging it months in advance

You may be correct on this. As the UK opens up and we get more people vaccinated, we will ultimately be embarrassed into doing likewise. The Government will have to show they can stand up to NPHET first though.

You say the second part above as if it is a good thing. What the UK Government did today is undoubtedly a good thing. It's called communication and offers hope. Our lack of a visible plan is clearly causing a problem with compliance. How long do they really think people will comply if they are left thinking that nothing will change no matter what they do?

Graham · 23-02-2021 01:29AM

Martin567 wrote: »

You may be correct on this. As the UK opens up and we get more people vaccinated, we will ultimately be embarrassed into doing likewise. The Government will have to show they can stand up to NPHET first though.

first we'll have to find enough vaccines to start 'doing likewise'.

gozunda · 23-02-2021 01:29AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You have to be deluded to believe this. Our Taoiseach has already mentioned severe lockdown until May.
They are talking about normality returning in June. I think Tony and MM would have a meltdown if someone mentioned nightclubs

I think you will find that it was April 5th and not May which has been set as the relevant date here. And as for as to 'severe lockdown" looks like the Taoiseach didnt say it would last until May

https://m.independent.ie/news/level-5-restrictions-until-at-least-april-5-under-governments-new-living-with-covid-19-plan-40121193.html?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40230062.html

To be fair its not that you would think it reading some of this thread

Meanwhile the UK have set the 12th of April as the beginning of their rollback on restrictions- (some of which we have already set out here btw)

The new UK road map comes with a number of relevant conditions ...

First, that the vaccine deployment programme continues successfully;

second, that evidence shows vaccines are sufficiently effective in reducing hospitalisations and deaths;

third, that infection rates do not risk a surge in hospitalisations which would put unsustainable pressure on the NHS;

and fourth, that our assessment of the risks is not fundamentally changed by new variants of Covid that cause concern.

Before taking each step we will review the data against these tests and because it takes at least four weeks for the data to reflect the impact of relaxations in restrictions

and we want to give the country a week’s notice before each change -

there will be at least five weeks between each step.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-statement-to-the-house-of-commons-on-roadmap-for-easing-lockdown-restrictions-in-england-22-february-2021

Martin567 · 23-02-2021 01:34AM

Graham wrote: »

first we'll have to find enough vaccines to start 'doing likewise'.

We will.

It will be very interesting in a few months if Northern Ireland is more than 70% fully vaccinated and relaxed most things. If we're stuck at a fraction of that and still at about Level 4 restrictions there could be a real problem!

gozunda · 23-02-2021 01:37AM

Martin567 wrote: »

We will.

It will be very interesting in a few months if Northern Ireland is more than 70% fully vaccinated and relaxed most things. If we're stuck at a fraction of that and still at about Level 4 restrictions there could be a real problem!

Northern Ireland extends lockdown until 1 April

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56101041

So not much change likley there tbf

Martin567 · 23-02-2021 01:44AM

gozunda wrote: »

Northern Ireland extends lockdown until 1 April

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56101041

So not much change likley there tbf

Was it not clear that I was referring to about June or so when Northern Ireland may have relaxed restrictions far more than here as they will be well ahead on vaccines?

46 Long · 23-02-2021 01:47AM

Overwhelmingly positive replies to this on Twitter. People have quite simply had enough.

https://twitter.com/PaulTreyvaud/status/1363832229621862400

gozunda · 23-02-2021 01:47AM

Martin567 wrote: »

Was it not clear that I was referring to about June or so when Northern Ireland may have relaxed restrictions far more than here as they will be well ahead on vaccines?

Quote=Martin567 wrote:

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It will be very interesting in a few months

No because by May - an estimated 70-80% of people there will only have recieved their first shot but will not be 'fully vaccinated"

hynesie08 · 23-02-2021 01:49AM

46 Long wrote: »

Overwhelmingly positive replies to this on Twitter. People have quite simply had enough.

https://twitter.com/PaulTreyvaud/status/1363832229621862400

If he's open on the 1st of July, it's 100% because the government has mandated he can.

Martin567 · 23-02-2021 01:52AM

gozunda wrote: »

No ...

You quoted my post in which it appears very clear what I meant! I said a "few" months which surely means a minimum of three i.e. the end of May.

Your link referenced 1 April which is only just over 5 weeks away, certainly not a few months.

Graham · 23-02-2021 01:55AM

Martin567 wrote: »

We will.

any thoughts as to where we'll find an extra 3 or 4 million vaccine doses? I understand demand is pretty high at the moment.

gozunda · 23-02-2021 01:59AM

Martin567 wrote: »

You quoted my post in which it appears very clear what I meant! I said a "few" months which surely means a minimum of three i.e. the end of May.

Your link referenced 1 April which is only just over 5 weeks away, certainly not a few months.

As detailed it has been estimated that by May an estimated 70-80% of people will have received their first shot only - so no they will not be "fully vaccinated" as per your comment

Matin567 wrote:

It will be very interesting in a few months if Northern Ireland is more than 70% fully vaccinated...

And agreed 1 April is not a 'few months"

Martin567 · 23-02-2021 02:02AM

Graham wrote: »

any thoughts as to where we'll find an extra 3 or 4 million vaccine doses? I understand demand is pretty high at the moment.

I don't think you understood my post above. I agreed with you that we will need to find these extra doses in order to do likewise with the UK. I have no idea if we can do this or not.

My point is there will be a huge problem in June/July if we are far behind Northern Ireland and they are opening up way more than we are.

retro:electro · 23-02-2021 02:11AM

46 Long wrote: »

Overwhelmingly positive replies to this on Twitter. People have quite simply had enough.

https://twitter.com/PaulTreyvaud/status/1363832229621862400

People were either afraid to say publicly what their true feelings were or have been worn down so much over the last few weeks due to sheer incompetence and ignorance by the government that they’ve just had enough and don’t care anymore. The granny killer argument doesn’t wash anymore either as many grannies will be long vaccinated and this farce will still be ongoing. A lot were also afraid to voice concerns for fear of being lumped in with the fringe lunatics, which is actually still the insult de jour on here by the same three or four posters who are in favour of keeping restrictions.

Graham · 23-02-2021 02:11AM

Martin567 wrote: »

I don't think you understood my post above. I agreed with you that we will need to find these extra doses in order to do likewise with the UK. I have no idea if we can do this or not.

My point is there will be a huge problem in June/July if we are far behind Northern Ireland and they are opening up way more than we are.

I agree, it could get messy with the North.

Being realistic, I don't see where we'll get any additional doses unless the UK decide to be particularly neighbourly with their spares.

We're actually doing pretty well on vaccine acquisition via the EU scheme. I don't think we'd stand a chance of securing much out on our own against bigger countries with bigger orders and deeper pockets.

Graham · 23-02-2021 02:14AM

retro:electro wrote: »

People were either afraid to say publicly what their true feelings were or have been worn down so much over the last few weeks due to sheer incompetence and ignorance by the government that they’ve just had enough and don’t care anymore.

So what exactly is it you're suggesting.

1) We take the UK approach and announce that we hope to reopen everything 5 weeks before 100% of the adult population have been vaccinated (or at least offered a vaccine).

2) We don't take the UK approach, we just reopen everything regardless of vaccination/infection numbers and hope for the best.

23-02-2021 02:15AM

Deleted User wrote: »

What I think is the uk have skilfully executed a bit of pr

No. What the UK government has done is treat its citizens like the adults they are and communicate honestly with them, setting out a clear plan for the end of restrictions alongside the conditions that need to be met in order for the rescinding of restrictions to continue.

I still observe that restrictions do not work as intended, but even so, clear communication about a path out of restrictions has the effect of giving people hope and ensuring more compliance. It also sends a clear message that the vaccine is considered effective, which will increase uptake and potentially expedite the phases of the path out of restriction.

Utterly bizarre that people would rather sneer at the UK for "PR" than point the finger at the shambles that's happening here, with vague waffle and Friday night leaks being the extent of the information given out about ending lockdowns.

Graham · 23-02-2021 02:19AM

Deleted User wrote: »

No. What the UK government has done is treat its citizens like the adults they are and communicate honestly with them, setting out a clear plan for the end of restrictions alongside the conditions that need to be met in order for the rescinding of restrictions to continue.

No, what the UK have actually done is announce a set of dates they hope to achieve based on massively higher vaccination rates than we could hope to match in the short term.

I understand why it's frustrating that we can't match the speed/volume of vaccine rollouts here, we're all in that boat.

beauf · 23-02-2021 02:19AM

Martin567 wrote: »

...

My point is there will be a huge problem in June/July if we are far behind Northern Ireland and they are opening up way more than we are.

Dunno if that's true.

We had lockdown down before and were allowing people to travel in and out of the country to places like NI and UK which had little or no restrictions (at that time) and then back to Ireland. No huge problems other than bringing the virus in. Maybe it will be a problem but it wasn't before.

Lot of people in boards and social media talking themselves up into a frenzy. The real world isn't as hyperactive.

retro:electro · 23-02-2021 02:24AM

Graham wrote: »

So what exactly is it you're suggesting.

1) We take the UK approach and announce that we hope to reopen everything 5 weeks before 100% of the adult population have been vaccinated (or at least offered a vaccine).

2) We don't take the UK approach, we just reopen everything regardless of vaccination/infection numbers and hope for the best.

Why present such a dichotomy of extremes as the only choices available? And if we waited until a few weeks before the entire adult nation was vaccinated to reopen then we would be waiting until September most likely, so yeah let’s not do that. I don’t expect us to be open Monday morning like, we’re not ready for that yet. But it’s not too much to ask for our leaders to show leadership, to give us an actual plan and something to work towards, even with the added caveat that these might have to be pushed back (as they did caveat last summer) but also can be brought forward if things are looking good. You know? Little things like that go a long way with helping people psychologically. Right now we have a bunch of simpering fools who are already rolling back on the ONE thing they had hoped to achieve which is schools next week. It shouldn’t be too much to ask to be given some hope, to be told that “with these projections, numbers should be xyz by this date and we’ll also have xyz vaccinated to so we hope to be able to reopen xyz”. Instead we just have a big LOL NOPE, until April 5th (which will be extended) and while that may keep you going and keep you happy, a year into this living hell, most of us need something more.

gozunda · 23-02-2021 02:24AM

Graham wrote: »

I agree, it could get messy with the North.

Being realistic, I don't see where we'll get any additional doses unless the UK decide to be particularly neighbourly with their spares.

We're actually doing pretty well on vaccine acquisition via the EU scheme. I don't think we'd stand a chance of securing much out on our own against bigger countries with bigger orders and deeper pockets.

Meanwhile some good news. Looks like we're speeding up vaccination

100,000 people should be vaccinated this week, says HSE chief

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40231262.html

beauf · 23-02-2021 02:26AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No. What the UK government has done is treat its citizens like the adults they are and communicate honestly with them, .....

Maybe they'll get it right for the vaccines. Up to now with Covid and Brexit they've been a shambles. Boris has been the epicenter for much of that. He's not dull I'll give him that.

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