Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

RobitTV · 21-02-2021 04:43PM

gozunda wrote: »

Breaking News! Sky has clouds!

Yes I think we know people are allowed to exercise outdoors and within 5km of their residence

People can even walk / exercise outside with family members of their household. People may meet with people from another household in outdoor settings when taking exercise. Afaik there's no prohibition on chatting. Doesn't mean there is a mass uprising btw.

Btw what is a "large crowd walking around in pairs"? You mean couples taking exercise? And there's the usual feral teenagers? Now there's a surprise

Afternoon how are you?

welcome back!

When did I suggest anything about a 'mass uprising'? you are a good comedian coming up with this nonsense :pac: why do you lie and not even engage with the truth?

There is a large crowd around in general. Surely that isn't hard even for you to understand without twisting my sentences and making a song and dance about everything people say :pac: twisting the truth again.

Go outside and enjoy yourself and get some sun.

Donald Trump · 21-02-2021 04:44PM

growleaves wrote: »

Why do "case numbers" even matter post-vaccination? If anything we should be trying to speed up herd immunity at that point, no?

If we are still trying to suppress cases then is that something to do with new variants/Long Covid?

Because they still have to be able to cope with the ones that do catch it. Don't forget that we have seen a lot of weeks of chaos in hospitals during the peaks we have seen so far.

And that is with less than 5% of the population having tested positive.

Windmill100000 · 21-02-2021 04:44PM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

I'm sure it's all above board. Surely no one would break the 5k limit

I'm sure some will and do. But a busy beach doesn't automatically equate to lots of people have decided to no longer adhere to restrictions. I know some want it to mean that but it's not evidence of that at all. How many were just locals out on a stroll in nice weather?

Boggerman12 · 21-02-2021 04:45PM

I see over on the main tread there off again about how the killer virus could get in tru your eyes and about wearing goggles as well as the mask.unbelievable how some want to exist let alone live

normanoffside · 21-02-2021 04:47PM

gozunda wrote: »

Was going to say that doesn't look like Ballybunnion :pac:

Id guess mainly because the weather is absolute ****e at the moment. If you sat outside here t he chances are you'll most likely get Pneumonia or a bad case of rust.

Oh yeah the other reason is that Spain didn't win first prize with the world's highest infection rate less than a month ago and is able to ease its recent restrictions before us.

You are completely wrong on that point..
Lanzarote was placed in level 4 last month (there were only 3 levels in the Canaries so it's kind of like Level 6 for us) and their cases per 100k were higher than ours at the time.

And all non-essential retail and outdoor dining/drinking was still allowed until 6pm.
Guess what? their cases have plummeted all the same.

Donald Trump · 21-02-2021 04:47PM

Boggerman12 wrote: »

I see over on the main tread there off again about how the killer virus could get in tru your eyes and about wearing goggles as well as the mask.unbelievable how some want to exist let alone live

But that's not news.

They said that at the start that people who wore glasses would actually get some minor additional protection from wearing them!

hynesie08 · 21-02-2021 04:48PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted already or not, cannot read the article behind the paywall. It even has Dr Zero Craic side eyeing it though...

https://twitter.com/drzerocraic/status/1363432154974281728?s=21

Here's the relevant bit

It is critical that non-Covid health and social care services are resumed as quickly as possible subject to national risk assessments . . . this will require that all other restrictions remain in place while these services recommence.”

So a phased reopening with priority to the health service. Not quite as extreme as the headline dictates...

growleaves · 21-02-2021 04:48PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Because they still have to be able to cope with the ones that do catch it. Don't forget that we have seen a lot of weeks of chaos in hospitals during the peaks we have seen so far.

And that is with less than 5% of the population having tested positive.

At what point will suppression of symptoms (through vaccination) ease pressure on the health system?

Donald Trump · 21-02-2021 04:49PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Unfortunately you are talking nonsense.
Lanzarote was placed in level 4 last month (there were only 3 levels in the Canaries so it's kind of like Level 6 for us) and their cases per 100k were higher than ours at the time.

And all non-essential retail and outdoor dining/drinking was still allowed until 6pm.
Guess what? their cases have plummeted all the same.

Numbers here were tiny last Summer. And Ireland effectively eliminated the strains that were here at that time.

Weather pays a large part. We were told that at the start. The Spanish flu was even referenced and how that seemed to disappear after it initially arrived, only to come back after the Summer in a more virulent form.

Windmill100000 · 21-02-2021 04:50PM

Boggerman12 wrote: »

I see over on the main tread there off again about how the killer virus could get in tru your eyes and about wearing goggles as well as the mask.unbelievable how some want to exist let alone live

Does what others do bother you? It isnt harming anyone is it?

robbiezero · 21-02-2021 04:51PM

gozunda wrote: »

Was going to say that doesn't look like Ballybunnion :pac:

Id guess mainly because the weather is absolute ****e at the moment. If you sat outside here t he chances are you'll most likely get Pneumonia or a bad case of rust.

Oh yeah the other reason is that Spain didn't win first prize with the world's highest infection rate less than a month ago and is able to ease its recent restrictions before us.

What the absolute f**k are you raving about?

Donald Trump · 21-02-2021 04:52PM

growleaves wrote: »

At what point will suppression of symptoms (through vaccination) ease pressure on the health system?

I don't know that. But the people who are telling us, should have an idea.

In the last peak, according to the reports at the time, the hospitals were basically into surge capacity. That was on 6000 new cases a day, and with a tapering up, and tapering down. If they could cope comfortably with say a constant 1500 per day, that's still only 2 out of every thousand people catching it a week.

Simplistic figures of course. But gives an idea of orders of magnitude.

RobitTV · 21-02-2021 04:53PM

robbiezero wrote: »

What the absolute f**k are you raving about?

He is a borderline troll. Don't waste a moment more of your energy and time. He does not engage with the truth and misrepresents what people say. It's a hopeless situation.

CruelSummer · 21-02-2021 04:54PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Here's the relevant bit

So a phased reopening with priority to the health service. Not quite as extreme as the headline dictates...

I don’t care how extreme or not you think the article is. The fact nphet are suggesting keeping restrictions for non-covid waiting lists and health issues unrelated to it surely has you concerned?
Suddenly it isn’t about covid, suddenly this is about other health issues that have always existed?
What would be the motivation in suggesting this in your opinion?

Lundstram · 21-02-2021 04:55PM

robbiezero wrote: »

What the absolute f**k are you raving about?

12c here in Kildare and dry.

Some folk just have a dark cloud following them 24/7 which explains the stuff they post on here.

Donald Trump · 21-02-2021 04:57PM

RobitTV wrote: »

He is a borderline troll. Don't waste a moment more of your energy and time. He does not engage with the truth and misrepresents what people say. It's a hopeless situation.

Would you sit outside in Ireland along a beach in February to have a pint if a pub nearby was open?

You'd be more likely to be huddled inside by the fire. That's the simple point.

robbiezero · 21-02-2021 04:57PM

Lundstram wrote: »

12c here in Kildare and dry.

Some folk just have a dark cloud following them 24/7 which explains the stuff they post on here.

Am I missing something?

Outdoor dining and drinking is banned here at the moment regardless of the weather?

RobitTV · 21-02-2021 04:58PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Would you sit outside in Ireland along a beach in February to have a pint if a pub nearby was open?

You'd be more likely to be huddled inside by the fire. That's the simple point.

That conversation was not the reason why I called him a borderline troll. Another user was engaged in that conversation. Not me.

Today is a nice day, it wouldn't be the worst day to sit outside. I can 100% understand why you wouldn't want to sit outside most of the time though.

robbiezero · 21-02-2021 04:58PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Would you sit outside in Ireland along a beach in February to have a pint if a pub nearby was open?

You'd be more likely to be huddled inside by the fire. That's the simple point.

Day like today I'd be all over it.

St Annes park and Dollymount are littered with picnickers all day, hardly a stretch to have a pint or a plate of chips outside a pub/restaurant is it?

Happydays2020 · 21-02-2021 04:59PM

Lundstram wrote: »

12c here in Kildare and dry.

Some folk just have a dark cloud following them 24/7 which explains the stuff they post on here.

12c dry and sunny in Dublin. Lots of people walking and cycling. A few of the cyclists had the look of people who were beyond their 5km limit.

hynesie08 · 21-02-2021 04:59PM

Lundstram wrote: »

12c here in Kildare and dry.

Some folk just have a dark cloud following them 24/7 which explains the stuff they post on here.

Still waiting for the clear and concise exit plan.

Donald Trump · 21-02-2021 04:59PM

Lundstram wrote: »

12c here in Kildare and dry.

Some folk just have a dark cloud following them 24/7 which explains the stuff they post on here.

Sure no need for you to go to Tenerife so.

Buy an oul' sunlounger and put it in the back garden. Take a week off work and sure just enjoy yourself

Everyone will be happy.

hynesie08 · 21-02-2021 05:01PM

It's a lovely day for a stroll, but not a hope would i be sitting outside in it.

Parachutes · 21-02-2021 05:01PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You mean like this gem?

But you never seem to try offer any rebuttal to these posts. If you can back up your opinions, fine but more and more these lockdown people can’t seem to offer anymore than ‘look at this gem’ ‘alright, Gemma O Doherty’ or ‘nice tinfoil hat'

The fanaticism towards lockdowns and restrictions among some would seem to me to be about more than just containing a relatively mild virus for the vast majority of the population.

gozunda · 21-02-2021 05:01PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Unfortunately you are talking nonsense.

Lanzarote was placed in level 4 last month (there were only 3 levels in the Canaries so it's kind of like Level 6 for us) and their cases per 100k were higher than ours at the time.

And all non-essential retail and outdoor dining/drinking was still allowed until 6pm.
Guess what? their cases have plummeted all the same.

You mean that is Ballybunnion! :eek: :pac:

Yeah and the main hospital in Lazarote was close to its operational limit and numbers were rising.

That said I'd imagine the better climate and being able to be outdoors as opposed to being inside and watching the rain - that people there were somewhat less at risk of getting Covid compared to here and able to help get infection rates down. Unfortunately as I said our climate is not as kind.

Its a fact, Ireland ended up with the highest infection rate in January and whilst that is going down - it is now going so slowly

Just on your comment in general. Any chance you could have a normal discussion without throwing personal asides? I could just as easily call you a 'liar' and accuse you of talking 'nonsense' But no not stooping to that level thanks

RobitTV · 21-02-2021 05:01PM

It's a bit warmer then usual for February. It's better then average today.

21-02-2021 05:02PM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Agreed regarding the vaccine See below article regarding the usefulness of said vaccine.

Where we going with this .. Who knows but restrictions should be reducing not increasing a year on.

According to the medics, and governments...

If I get vaccinated: ðŸ’‰ðŸ’‰ðŸ’‰

* Moderna Vaccine
* Pfizer BioNTech Vaccine
* Astra Zeneca Oxford Vaccine
* Johnson & Johnson Vaccine

1.- Can I stop wearing the mask?
Government Response - No

2.- Can they reopen restaurants, pubs, bars etc and everyone work normally?
Government Response - No

3.- Will I be resistant to covid?
Government Response - Maybe, but we don't know exactly, it probably won't stop you getting it

4.- At least I won't be contagious to others anymore?
Government Response - No you can still pass it on, possibly, nobody knows.

5.- If we vaccinate all children, will school resume normally?
Government Response - No

6.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?
Government Response - No

7.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop disinfecting my hands?
Government Response - No

8.- If I vaccinate myself and my family and friends, can we hug each other?
Government Response - No

9.- Will cinemas, theatres and stadiums be reopened thanks to vaccines?
Government Response - No

10.- Will the vaccinated be able to gather?
Government Response - No

11.- What is the real benefit of vaccination?
Government Response - The virus won't kill you but you might need a vaccine boaster injection for a few years.

12.- Are you sure it won't kill me?
Government Response - No

13.- If statistically the virus won't kill me anyway ... Why would I get vaccinated?"
Government Response - To protect others.

14.- So if I get vaccinated, the others are 100% sure I'm not infecting them?
Government Response - No

So to summarise, the Covid19 vaccine...

Does not give immunity.
Does not eliminate the virus.
Does not prevent death.
Does not guarantee you won’t get it.
Dont prevent you getting it.
Does not stop you passing it on
Does eliminate travel bans.
Does not eliminate the need for business closures.
Does not eliminate the need for lockdowns.
Does not eliminate the need for masking.

So...what the hell is it actually doing?

Ok, I’ll bite

1. Until we have a large portion of the population vaccinated short of forcing everyone to get a tattoo alongside their vaccines we won’t know who is or is not vaccinated so impossible to police

2. Of course bars restaurants etc can reopen when a large portion of the population is vaccinated

3. You will be resistant Covid. The data is clearer by the day. Once studies are published the rhetoric will change. They won’t make promises until evidence has been reviewed however.

4. They won’t make promises until the data has been reviewed

5. They are planning to start resuming school with children being dead last in the vaccination queue

6. See answer 1

7. See answer 1. Plus, what harm does it do

8. I have yet to see a government edict on hugging but I stand to be corrected on that

9. Yes, just not until enough have been vaccinated.

10. See answer 1

11. The virus will no longer be novel, it will be like an annual cold with few if any hospitalisation sub the vast bulk of the population. The likelihood is only the vulnerable will need boosters

12. It’s not all about you

13. For all ages the risk of death from Covid is roughly equal to that from all other causes. Why not eliminate the additional risk? The risk of hospitalisation is not zero. A simple jab to eliminate that risk too? Why not? Also, the emerging evidence is that transmission is interrupted by the vaccine.

14. Nothing is ever certain.

In summary , A thought process that had less “what about me” and more “what about everyone” changes the nature of lots of your points

21-02-2021 05:04PM

Parachutes wrote: »

But you never seem to try offer any rebuttal to these posts. If you can back up your opinions, fine but more and more these lockdown people can’t seem to offer anymore than ‘look at this gem’ ‘alright, Gemma O Doherty’ or ‘nice tinfoil hat'

The fanaticism towards lockdowns and restrictions among some would seem to me to be about more than just containing a relatively mild virus for the vast majority of the population.

It’s more anti bullsh*t than pro lockdown thank you very much.

gozunda · 21-02-2021 05:07PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It's grand out where I am anyway. Plenty of people out and about and sitting around having coffee.

Spain's 7 day incidence per 100k was higher than ours as of the 18th. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1139048/coronavirus-case-rates-in-the-past-7-days-in-europe-by-country/

Sure I'm talking about the weather here this winter. My wellies have developed terminal rot from all the rain

But yeah I was wondering what the bright yellow thing in the sky was thus morning :pac: It remains Irelands in January had the world's highest rate of infection. But no its not a competition

People seem to have quickly forgot where we were a month ago.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-how-did-ireland-find-itself-with-the-highest-infection-rate-in-the-world-12189128

normanoffside · 21-02-2021 05:09PM

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah and the main hospital in Lazarote was close to its operational limit and numbers were rising.

It was, because of Christmas and New Year's celebration but despite that they allowed low risk activity such as retail, Hairdressing, outdoor dining to continue and have had the same result as us in terms of drops in cases and hospitalisations.
Our response has no nuance it's just 'shut down everything'. We don't take example from other parts of the world with regards what can be done safely. They've learned nothing in almost a year.

gozunda wrote: »

Just on your comment in general. Any chance you could have a normal discussion without throwing personal asides? I could just as easily call you a 'lier' and accuse you of talking 'nonsense' But no not stooping to your level thanks

I've edited my post now, hope it's to your satisfaction. Didn't realise you'd be so sensitive.

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