Random EV thoughts.....

the_amazing_raisin · 15-02-2021 09:41PM

MJohnston wrote: »

Doesn’t sound essential to me either.

Nor to me, and yet work proceeds

I agree that the definition of essential projects seems a bit warped, however it is what it is.

Compared to a large housing development, smaller infrastructure projects are probably safer, fewer people and outdoors

MJohnston · 15-02-2021 09:52PM

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Nor to me, and yet work proceeds

I agree that the definition of essential projects seems a bit warped, however it is what it is.

Compared to a large housing development, smaller infrastructure projects are probably safer, fewer people and outdoors

The fuel pipeline probably has economic prospects that the government sees as an offset to the risk. Not sure I agree, but that’s probably what it is.

I doubt either FF or FG see electric vehicles as any kind of essential part of their Ireland.

MJohnston · 15-02-2021 09:55PM

Aph2016 wrote: »

Risk the lives, come off it with that hyperbole.

It is a risk, like it or not. It can be a small one, but it’s still a risk.

the_amazing_raisin · 15-02-2021 11:43PM

MJohnston wrote: »

The fuel pipeline probably has economic prospects that the government sees as an offset to the risk. Not sure I agree, but that’s probably what it is.

I doubt either FF or FG see electric vehicles as any kind of essential part of their Ireland.

Regrettably I think you're correct

timsey tiger · 16-02-2021 09:46AM

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Workers are currently installing a fuel line from Dublin port to Dublin airport to carry fuel to aircraft which are largely grounded and unlikely to be flying for a year at least

If that's essential then installing fast chargers easily counts

I don't know, how much disruption it is causing?

Markcheese · 16-02-2021 10:49AM

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Workers are currently installing a fuel line from Dublin port to Dublin airport to carry fuel to aircraft which are largely grounded and unlikely to be flying for a year at least

If that's essential then installing fast chargers easily counts

Probably makes a lot of sense to crack on with the pipeline , road traffic levels will probably never be lower , so minimum of road disturbance..

AndyBoBandy · 16-02-2021 10:56AM

Markcheese wrote: »

Probably makes a lot of sense to crack on with the pipeline , road traffic levels will probably never be lower , so minimum of road disturbance..

Likewise with charging infrastructure, and motorway hubs....

the_amazing_raisin · 16-02-2021 10:59AM

timsey tiger wrote: »

I don't know, how much disruption it is causing?

Probably about the same as installing chargers, hence my original point that if a fuel pipeline can be considered essential given it isn't needed, then surely EV chargers are also classed as essential given there is an immediate need for them

unkel · 16-02-2021 11:52AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The 95g/km E.U. regulations are forcing manufacturers to innovate, not Tesla.

Innovate at a snail's pace? PHEV and even some smaller "self charging hybrids" :rolleyes: can easily make the cut. The 95g/km CO2 is a figure that can easily be cheated on and has no bearing on real life figures. WLTP test only barely touches on the motorway speed and has no reflection whatsoever of congested city driving.

Thankfully some manufacturers have finally seen the light and are going full out with BEV only cars moving forward. Obviously VAG is number one on that list of followers

Kramer · 16-02-2021 01:16PM

The SEAI must be spending big bucks on advertising/sponsoring these days - I've probably seen 5 or 6 "lifestyle" advertisements articles over the last week or so, in the mainstream media/publications.

This one:

https://www.thejournal.ie/electric-vehicle-ireland-5348943-Feb2021/

Is that Simon Acton the Dublin EV car dealer? It's probably just a coincidence - the advertisement article doesn't mention he is in the industry

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innrain · 16-02-2021 04:24PM

Simon is the Chair of the IEOVA. But probably you knew that

Kramer · 16-02-2021 08:10PM

innrain wrote: »

Simon is the Chair of the IEOVA. But probably you knew that

Nope, no clue. I just recognised the name as being an EV dealer, like Phil Fitz etc.

Whatever he does in his spare time is his own business :P.

AndyBoBandy · 18-02-2021 03:52PM

Every time I'm driving behind one of those Toyota Self Charging Hybrids,

I always see smoke coming out of the exhaust pipe!!

ELM327 · 18-02-2021 03:57PM

They are actively self charging :P

Kramer · 20-02-2021 06:29PM

Interesting video on pumped hydro...........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSgd-QhLHRI

timsey tiger · 21-02-2021 02:59PM

Kramer wrote: »

Interesting video on pumped hydro...........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSgd-QhLHRI

Pity he doesn't do one on liquid air storage.

The Black Oil · 21-02-2021 04:31PM

Enjoyed Bjorn's series with the Mercedes MQV. First time I've watched one of his 1,000 km challenges. He's a mad fella.

graememk · 21-02-2021 06:11PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Pity he doesn't do one on liquid air storage.

Give the man time! he's working through quite a few different techs

Kramer · 23-02-2021 12:09PM

Not sure I'd agree with the headline - "sharp rise" :eek:.
90 odd more BEVs registered this year over last year.

That's what, less than 4 per county. Hardly indicates a sharp rise, due to the "new tax scheme" :rolleyes:.

Sharp Rise in EV sales - Independent

Yes, a 10% increase, but 10% of a tiny amount.

23-02-2021 12:16PM

I think the real litmus test would be to check the unsold inventory, this would indicate the trend far better as it could be that not all potential BEV car buyers could actually get vehicles and settled for a hybrid or ICE instead.

the_amazing_raisin · 23-02-2021 12:17PM

Kramer wrote: »

Not sure I'd agree with the headline - "sharp rise" :eek:.
90 odd more BEVs registered this year over last year.

That's what, less than 4 per county. Hardly indicates a sharp rise, due to the "new tax scheme" :rolleyes:.

Sharp Rise in EV sales - Independent

Yes, a 10% increase, but 10% of a tiny amount.

Looks like the main movement is in PHEVs, and I suspect a lot of those will never be plugged in :rolleyes:

liamog · 23-02-2021 12:39PM

Kramer wrote: »

Not sure I'd agree with the headline - "sharp rise" :eek:.
90 odd more BEVs registered this year over last year.

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Yes, a 10% increase, but 10% of a tiny amount.

In a market with a 17.9% reduction in overall sales, a 10% increase in BEV sales seems notable enough.

innrain · 23-02-2021 12:41PM

Kramer wrote: »

Not sure I'd agree with the headline - "sharp rise" :eek:.
90 odd more BEVs registered this year over last year.

That's what, less than 4 per county. Hardly indicates a sharp rise, due to the "new tax scheme" :rolleyes:.

Sharp Rise in EV sales - Independent

Yes, a 10% increase, but 10% of a tiny amount.

Why is a Toyota Rep interviewed?

Yeah the PHEV determined the sharp increase but this is the new trend report both EVs and PHEVs together in the same category. After all are in the same VRT bracket. IT goes one step further and adds hybrids under the same umbrella. Soon we'll read "99.99% of cars on Irish roads are battery powered" and they'll be right. We've eliminated hand crank so we should be proud.

We're just cutting off the nose to spite...

ELM327 · 23-02-2021 12:43PM

liamog wrote: »

In a market with a 17.9% reduction in overall sales, a 10% increase in BEV sales seems notable enough.

If you have a "market" notionally of 1000 cars, where 990 are non BEV and 10 is a BEV. If that market then changes down 17.9% overall, the 1000 becomes 821. If BEV went up by 10%, the change is 10 to 11. The new market is 821 cars with 810 non BEV and 11 BEV

Statistics especially relative ones can be used to prove anything

liamog · 23-02-2021 12:58PM

The main point is that market share is the key metric to measure, not hard numbers. Right now you'd be saying that t-shirts are a complete failure in the market due to us selling less t-shirts than last year.
But if you dig just a tiny bit deeper, you'll see that clothing retail has been closed since December, so it's entirely expected that absolute number of t-shirts would drop.

Kramer · 23-02-2021 01:06PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Statistics especially relative ones can be used to prove anything

That headline could also have read............

"Irish stubbornly resist change, shunning concerns of climate change, as 96% purchase dirty, polluting diesel & petrol cars, in 2021"

Less than 4 additional BEVs per county, over last year - but we'll have 1,000,000 "electrics" on the roads, less than 9 years from now :pac:.

liamog · 23-02-2021 01:13PM

Ongoing switch to cars with plugs as market share of plug in cars increases from 4.75% to 8.26%.

23-02-2021 01:17PM

Kramer wrote: »

That headline could also have read............

"Irish stubbornly resist change, shunning concerns of climate change, as 96% purchase dirty, polluting diesel & petrol cars, in 2021"

Less than 4 additional BEVs per county, over last year - but we'll have 1,000,000 "electrics" on the roads, less than 9 years from now :pac:.

Never underestimate the rate of change that can happen under the right conditions, just remember how quickly flat screen TVs replaced CRT TVs when the price and more importantly availability came within the reach of most people.

Most new cars are leased or PCP these days so it will be the companies who manage those sales who will be calling the shots.

Kramer · 23-02-2021 01:28PM

"Despite 500,000+ unemployed & tens of thousands of businesses facing extinction, huge taxpayer funding & subsidies still go to the uber rich, to buy new €100,000 luxury electric German sports cars, from manufacturers like Porsche."

Someone should suggest that to Joe on Liveline - he'd milk a good few days out of that

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MJohnston · 23-02-2021 01:34PM

liamog wrote: »

The main point is that market share is the key metric to measure, not hard numbers. Right now you'd be saying that t-shirts are a complete failure in the market due to us selling less t-shirts than last year.
But if you dig just a tiny bit deeper, you'll see that clothing retail has been closed since December, so it's entirely expected that absolute number of t-shirts would drop.

Indeed — there's no reason to expect that EVs would be any differently affected by last year's contraction than the rest of the car market. Here's a better way of looking at the same data:

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