When will it all end?

20-02-2021 07:55PM

Strumms wrote: »

They are not a balance. They are regulations that when adhered to, keep accidents, injuries and deaths on our roads to a minimum.

Covid laws keep and are keeping people well, healthy and alive.. people can lift the phone, use technology to socialize, converse, see people, get connected, get groceries....

There is a multitude of help and assistance available too.

Highly, highly debatable.

ujjjjjjjjj · 20-02-2021 08:07PM

Strumms wrote: »

They are not a balance. They are regulations that when adhered to, keep accidents, injuries and deaths on our roads to a minimum.

Covid laws keep and are keeping people well, healthy and alive.. people can lift the phone, use technology to socialize, converse, see people, get connected, get groceries....

There is a multitude of help and assistance available too.

They are a balance......by lowering speed limits to much lower levels and enforcing them we could stop all road deaths but we accept some deaths to reduce the inconvenience of taking 15 hours to drive from Cork to Dublin.

Covid laws are destroying society, livelihoods, businesses, increasing unemployment, destroying mental health, impacting on many other medical issues, delayed cancer treatments etc, removing personal freedoms, increasing state and personal debt, impacting our kids education etc etc etc etc

You may think the balance is okay and the above problems are a price worth paying to save some people from dieing from Covid. I don't.

Cody montana · 20-02-2021 08:09PM

I’ve genuinely given up.

Bit cynical · 20-02-2021 08:28PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

The same has not happened to the 120,00 dead brigade. I believe mortality is currently estimated at 0.3%? If that is correct, the figure would be 15,000 dead, just over 10% of the original estimate.

I think a lot of this came from an early Imperial College model. It suited Boris Johnson in the UK to embrace the findings of this model as they gave him an exit from an earlier herd immunity strategy that had been rejected by the electorate. The Imperial College paper gave him the necessary "science" to do his u-turn even though it was based on assumptions that have since proved inaccurate. The same model has been very influential internationally.

Bit cynical · 20-02-2021 08:40PM

I find that government policy makes a lot more sense if you imagine that policy makers hold the following unexamined beliefs:

1. The virus is quite deadly and can wipe out swathes of a population if left unchecked (perhaps 20% to 30% wiped out).
2. No immunity is acquired if you catch it and it it quite common to get it again and again.
3. All ages suffer equally. The young and the fit are as likely as the old and sick to die of it.
4. Most who catch it suffer debilitating lingering effects known as "long covid" possibly forever.
5. If you hit the virus hard enough through lockdowns and restrictions it will get the message and think twice before coming back.
6. The coming vaccines have been tested and proven to provide immunity and will wipe out the virus.

ujjjjjjjjj · 20-02-2021 08:41PM

Bit cynical wrote: »

I find that government policy makes a lot more sense if you imagine that policy makers hold the following unexamined beliefs:

1. The virus is quite deadly and can wipe out swathes of a population if left unchecked (perhaps 20 to 30% wiped out).
2. No immunity is provided if you catch it and it it quite common to get it again and again.
3. All ages suffer equally. The young and the fit are as likely as the old and sick to die of it.
4. Most who catch it suffer debilitating lingering effects known as "long covid" possibly forever.
5. If you hit the virus hard enough through lockdowns and restrictions it will get the message and think twice before coming back.
6. The coming vaccines have been tested and proven to provide immunity and will wipe out the virus.

Makes total sense then.......

Parachutes · 20-02-2021 08:57PM

Bit cynical wrote: »

I find that government policy makes a lot more sense if you imagine that policy makers hold the following unexamined beliefs:

1. The virus is quite deadly and can wipe out swathes of a population if left unchecked (perhaps 20% to 30% wiped out).
2. No immunity is acquired if you catch it and it it quite common to get it again and again.
3. All ages suffer equally. The young and the fit are as likely as the old and sick to die of it.
4. Most who catch it suffer debilitating lingering effects known as "long covid" possibly forever.
5. If you hit the virus hard enough through lockdowns and restrictions it will get the message and think twice before coming back.
6. The coming vaccines have been tested and proven to provide immunity and will wipe out the virus.

This is pretty much what the media thinks about the disease. The problem is none of this stands up to the slightest bit of scrutiny whatsoever.

E mac · 20-02-2021 09:11PM

Next month when the anniversary of the first lock down comes around media is gonna have a field day bringing down the mood of the nation further. How 'We should have done this should have done that. Finish every article with "still no end in sight"...

mcsean2163 · 20-02-2021 09:15PM

--removed--

I may have gone a bit OTT. Had a day. Stay safe and fingers crossed over soon.

ujjjjjjjjj · 20-02-2021 09:18PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Fwiw, sick of people talking about what if someone catches the virus is asymptomatic and passes it on to a vulnerable or someone close to a vulnerable.

In the words of the Mandalore. This the way.

People have mixed and had fun despite these risks before covid19 and people died. There was a funeral and things such as 'had a good run of it' were said. I do not recall blaming asymptomatic cold carriers, it was accepted that old people died and their life remembered and celebrated.

'If you meet someone and pick up a cold from them and pass it on to your grandmother or mother, then you caused their death', were not things I recall being said. Or, 'young people wanting to meet their friends are selfish aholes'.

Madness.

Insanity the entire thing......

the kelt · 20-02-2021 09:18PM

Bit cynical wrote: »

I find that government policy makes a lot more sense if you imagine that policy makers hold the following unexamined beliefs:

1. The virus is quite deadly and can wipe out swathes of a population if left unchecked (perhaps 20% to 30% wiped out).
2. No immunity is acquired if you catch it and it it quite common to get it again and again.
3. All ages suffer equally. The young and the fit are as likely as the old and sick to die of it.
4. Most who catch it suffer debilitating lingering effects known as "long covid" possibly forever.
5. If you hit the virus hard enough through lockdowns and restrictions it will get the message and think twice before coming back.
6. The coming vaccines have been tested and proven to provide immunity and will wipe out the virus.

And don’t forget

The virus doesn’t exist in school buildings
It loves alcohol
But dislikes it when it’s served with food.
Our Irish version has a sat nav that activates when people travel further than 5 k
Irish people are dumb enough to believe they don’t have a curfew if you impose a distance travel restriction instead.
Irish people are gullible enough to accept blame and punishment multiple times every time something goes tits up.

And all that matters is there isn’t an optic of hospitals being overrun, everything else can go to hell in a hand basket!

And lastly, if you pump enough fear into a populace you can control them to do what ye want really, key to that is your national broadcaster and popular media outlets.

ujjjjjjjjj · 20-02-2021 09:20PM

the kelt wrote: »

And don’t forget

The virus doesn’t exist in school buildings
It loves alcohol
But dislikes it when it’s served with food.
Our Irish version has a sat nav that activates when people travel further than 5 k
Irish people are dumb enough to believe they don’t have a curfew if you impose a distance travel restriction instead.
Irish people are gullible enough to accept blame and punishment multiple times every time something goes tits up.

And all that matters is there isn’t an optic of hospitals being overrun, everything else can go to hell in a hand basket!

And lastly, if you pump enough fear into a populace you can control them to do what ye want really, key to that is your national broadcaster and popular media outlets.

Point of note, only with substantial food. Snacks and peanuts don't deter it

bucketybuck · 20-02-2021 09:31PM

You know what else I am sick of hearing?

"You people are the reason we will have to stay in lockdown".

So let me get this straight. We have given up our civil liberties for a full year, we have followed all the ill considered rules and regulations, but here we are, still in level 5 and being told that we won't be getting out of it any time soon.

And if you respond by saying that you are done with it, you get told that its your fault we have to stay in level 5?

So its my fault that we have to stay in the lockdown that we were going to be staying in anyway?

Thats some gaslighting bull**** that is.

opinionated3 · 20-02-2021 09:35PM

Apparently a campaign emerging online by business owners in Tralee proposing to open up on 1st march as a collective . That's probably gonna be the start of it all...... you'd imagine other towns would follow suit

20-02-2021 09:40PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Apparently a campaign emerging online by business owners in Tralee proposing to open up on 1st march as a collective . That's probably gonna be the start of it all...... you'd imagine other towns would follow suit

Fantastic. I’d hope other people would follow suit surely. Anyone who’s terrified can stay in their bunker. I for one, am done.

mightyreds · 20-02-2021 09:44PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Apparently a campaign emerging online by business owners in Tralee proposing to open up on 1st march as a collective . That's probably gonna be the start of it all...... you'd imagine other towns would follow suit

For me that's too soon but I don't blame them, being told they can't open till May or later with all the good vaccine news is a complete mis step. We should be looking to now start our society again rather than double down.

opinionated3 · 20-02-2021 09:47PM

mightyreds wrote: »

For me that's too soon but I don't blame them, being told they can't open till May or later with all the good vaccine news is a complete mis step. We should be looking to now start our society again rather than double down.

Kinda tend to agree with you with it being slightly too soon. If they announced something like " we are opening as normal from first April" I don't think too many would be upset with them. If they do open up as one, it will be interesting to see the reaction from the Gardai......

SafeSurfer · 20-02-2021 09:51PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Apparently a campaign emerging online by business owners in Tralee proposing to open up on 1st march as a collective . That's probably gonna be the start of it all...... you'd imagine other towns would follow suit

I wonder will this be welcomed by the general public in Tralee or will they be vilified. It’s a very divisive issue.

One thing for sure RTE won’t be covering any breaches of the restrictions.

They had a twee “good news story” about a dog being rescued in the Wicklow mountains recently but didn’t mention that the rescuers had traveled well beyond 5km to be heros.

Why ruin a good story with inconvenient truths.

Mr. Karate · 20-02-2021 09:55PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Apparently a campaign emerging online by business owners in Tralee proposing to open up on 1st march as a collective . That's probably gonna be the start of it all...... you'd imagine other towns would follow suit

Good for them. I hope they go through with it. If I was near Tralee I would go there to support them.

E mac · 20-02-2021 10:01PM

Any link to the Tralee story?

opinionated3 · 20-02-2021 10:02PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I wonder will this be welcomed by the general public in Tralee or will they be vilified. It’s a very divisive issue.

One thing for sure RTE won’t be covering any breaches of the restrictions.

They had a twee “good news story” about a dog being rescued in the Wicklow mountains recently but didn’t mention that the rescuers had traveled well beyond 5km to be heros.

Why ruin a good story with inconvenient truths.

Well it's reported some absolute idiots have reported them to the gardai so no doubt some curtain twitchers will be delighted .

ujjjjjjjjj · 20-02-2021 10:03PM

Plastic Sheeting is on the way to Tralee as we speak......

Skipduke · 20-02-2021 10:05PM

E mac wrote: »

Any link to the Tralee story?

The sad thing about Tralee is the majority of the town itself is run by big companies, Harvey Norman, TK Maxx, Pennys etc .....

What exactly is going to open? Pubs? Hair salons ? These would be the only locally owned establishments

bucketybuck · 20-02-2021 10:06PM

I have no doubt that the guards will take time out from doing silly dances on beaches to go and stop anybody daring to open a business in Tralee.

niallo27 · 20-02-2021 10:10PM

Strumms wrote: »

They are not a balance. They are regulations that when adhered to, keep accidents, injuries and deaths on our roads to a minimum.

Covid laws keep and are keeping people well, healthy and alive.. people can lift the phone, use technology to socialize, converse, see people, get connected, get groceries....

There is a multitude of help and assistance available too.

You are so out of touch with reality its embarrassing

opinionated3 · 20-02-2021 10:12PM

Skipduke wrote: »

The sad thing about Tralee is the majority of the town itself is run by big companies, Harvey Norman, TK Maxx, Pennys etc .....

What exactly is going to open? Pubs? Hair salons ? These would be the only locally owned establishments

My understanding is that it IS the likes of hair salons, barbers etc that are getting together for this. TBF they are saying it's totally unfair that the bigger places like Tesco can have hundreds of customers, but yet after all their investments to make their businesses safe, they can't open up.

E mac · 20-02-2021 10:15PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

My understanding is that it IS the likes of hair salons, barbers etc that are getting together for this. TBF they are saying it's totally unfair that the bigger places like Tesco can have hundreds of customers, but yet after all their investments to make their businesses safe, they can't open up.

Won't work unless other towns across Ireland do likewise. If it's just Tralee the guards will shut them down and that will be that. Didn't a bar in Limerick try something similar last summer.

wotzgoingon · 20-02-2021 10:21PM

Could be mentioned many times as I didn't read through thread but this extended lockdown and not able to go more than 5km's from your house is madness. I was kinda with it for a while but it is now turning into months being stuck in your own location.

Strumms · 20-02-2021 11:06PM

AdamD wrote: »

Highly, highly debatable.

Debate away... tell the medical experts.. doctors, virologists that they are wrong...while you are at it.

Covid requires close contact to to transmit and infect...

So by minimizing your close contact with others, by keeping your distance, by being responsible, you don’t get infected and you don’t infect..

Everything else, all other needs, wants, social neediness and basically selfishness needs to be tempered...

bucketybuck · 20-02-2021 11:08PM

Strumms wrote: »

Everything else, all other needs, wants, social neediness and basically selfishness needs to be tempered...

Crap like this a full year later says it all.

Its a cult, a religion, there is no god but covid.

When will it all end?

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