Ban gambling adverts?

Ramasun · 19-02-2021 3:33pm #1

The Labour party is drafting proposals to ban gambling advertising. It seems like this has been an annoyance or cause for concern for years. I'm surprised no political party has taken it on before. Too many vested interests?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40228859.html

NIMAN · 19-02-2021 3:35pm

If it puts an end to those ridiculously cringeworthy Paddy Power adverts, I'm all for it.

"The Emirates never sounded so good".

Wasn't funny the 1st time, let alone the 500th.

Kermit.de.frog · 19-02-2021 4:39pm

I find myself getting an inordinate amount of these ads on YouTube recently and I don't even gamble.

No issue with them being banned.

davidbeckham32 · 19-02-2021 4:40pm

yep should be banned, no need for them, gambling ruins peoples lives

realdanbreen · 19-02-2021 4:43pm

davidbeckham32 wrote: »

yep should be banned, no need for them, gambling ruins peoples lives

Excessive or problem gambling runs people's lives. The vast majority of us enjoy it as a,sometimes, popular pastime.

TheBoyConor · 19-02-2021 4:49pm

I think organised gambling is an absolute plague.

Every town across ireland is littered with grimey little bookie shops with men, mainly middle aged, gambling away their lives and drinking it away in the equally grotty pub next door.

There is not escaping the fact that the horse racing industry, and to a certain extent UK soccer, is largely built on the misery and at the expense of gambling addicts and their families. I know families that have no heating because of a husband who gambled every euro he can lay his hand on.

And online gambling is about the saddest existence I can think of.

Good riddance to gambling advertising. Dirt

Donald Trump · 19-02-2021 4:54pm

Gambling is a curse for too many people. I would never gamble.

Advertising and promoting it should be banned as soon as possible

But I bet you 100 quid it won't be

davidbeckham32 · 19-02-2021 4:54pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Gambling is a curse for too many people. I would never gamble.

Advertising and promoting it should be banned as soon as possible

But I bet you 100 quid it won't be

realdanbreen · 19-02-2021 4:56pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

I think organised gambling is an absolute plague.

Every town across ireland is littered with grimey little bookie shops with men, mainly middle aged, gambling away their lives and drinking it away in the equally grotty pub next door.

There is not escaping the fact that the horse racing industry, and to a certain extent UK soccer, is largely built on the misery and at the expense of gambling addicts and their families. I know families that have no heating because of a husband who gambled every euro he can lay his hand on.

And online gambling is about the saddest existence I can think of.

Good riddance to gambling advertising. Dirt

We also know families that have no heating because of a husband who drank every euro he could lay his hands on. Does that mean we should introduce alcohol prohibition? Fact is the vast majority who gamble enjoy it and bet sensibly.

eggy81 · 19-02-2021 4:57pm

Nope. Shouldn’t be banned.

BorneTobyWilde · 19-02-2021 4:58pm

I'm not even sure how gambling is legal when it's so dishonest, if you lose they love you and want you to spend more and more, but if you win they ban you from making bets, and it's not done underhandedly, it's done for all to see. How on earth can a company be allowed to run this way. It's not gambling, it's a company designed to take money from mugs.

BorneTobyWilde · 19-02-2021 4:59pm

eggy81 wrote: »

Nope. Shouldn’t be banned.

But it should be put into law that they can't close peoples accounts for winning.

suicide_circus · 19-02-2021 5:00pm

I know someone who lost the house over it.

You can only drink so many pints in a day until you keel over, you can only snort so many lines but the only think that can stop you gambling is running out of money.

If we've decided that drink ads are bad, there's no excuse to still have gambling ads.

afatbollix · 19-02-2021 5:01pm

Yes it should be banned so many ads on TV and the internet of them.

They are playing around with the rules creating bingo or a lotto so they can play ads during the day.

Remember the time when phone ring tone companies were awash on our TVs?

Gambling ads are the new ringtone ads.

MrMusician18 · 19-02-2021 5:03pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

We also know families that have no heating because of a husband who drank every euro he could lay his hands on. Does that mean we should introduce alcohol prohibition? Fact is the vast majority who gamble enjoy it and bet sensibly.

Is gambling advertising about sensible betting though.

A lot of sports will simply go out of existence without gambling sponsorship. I'm thinking snooker, a lot of European soccer leagues (including LoI) etc.

The gambling ads have gotten very pervasive now since the space was vacated by tobacco and then alcohol. I wouldn't miss them, but what vice would replace them?

realdanbreen · 19-02-2021 5:03pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

But it should be put into law that they can't close peoples accounts for winning.

My own experience is that they only close accounts if they suspect something hokey like a fella too often backing the horses at a price way greater than the sp which suggests inside knowledge.

Rodney Bathgate · 19-02-2021 5:04pm

More nanny state BS.

BorneTobyWilde · 19-02-2021 5:05pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

My own experience is that they only close accounts if they suspect something hokey like a fella too often backing the horses at a price way greater than the sp which suggests inside knowledge.

They close accounts of anyone making money. What's wrong with inside knowledge, they use that to make the prices, works both ways.

realdanbreen · 19-02-2021 5:06pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

I know someone who lost the house over it.

You can only drink so many pints in a day until you keel over, you can only snort so many lines but the only think that can stop you gambling is running out of money.

If we've decided that drink ads are bad, there's no excuse to still have gambling ads.

Fair enough I'd have no problem banging advertising it's just some want gambling to be banned.

neris · 19-02-2021 5:09pm

ban em. apart from being ****e ads and too many of them on during sports events the "products" they now push have gone beyond the little flutter of betting on a winner or scorer

Fr Tod Umptious · 19-02-2021 5:28pm

I say this on every thread about gambling advertising so I'll say it here again

Betting advertising on TV is very very predatory.

Look at the ads.

Look at the Labrooke ads recently.

One featured a giant the other Jay from the Inbetweeners dressed up a spaceman.

What demographic do giants and spacemen appeal to ?

That's correct, young boys, just to plant the fun and sports and Ladbrooks seed there for them until they get old enough to figure out how to get around he rules and bet using their phones.

And then look at the other ads, it's all about "the lads" and comparing bets and making smarter "accas" than your buddy and all the "bantz" that goes on around it.

They portray it as for young males now sport, especially soccer, has not become about enjoying the game, it's about enjoying the game with a bet on shots, cards, corners accas etc.

I don't mind betting, but the ads should be curtailed, if not banned outright

MrStuffins · 19-02-2021 5:31pm

BAN EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!

happyoutscan · 22-02-2021 11:47pm

I like the odd bet.

I would still ban gambling advertising.

Eric Cartman · 22-02-2021 11:57pm

should be completely banned. television, print, radio and online for all of Ireland. However alcohol advertisement of sporting events and online on non childrens sites should be allowed return to make up the shortfall.

Mysterypunter · 23-02-2021 12:08am

OisMcConville should be banned, he wants everyone else to suffer coz he lost his bollix, in his book he said he was in the car trying to find a few quid for a bet in the glove box. If he was a real addict, he would have sold the car and gambled the money. Same with that Wexford postman, on the TV and radio for the last few years making up fairy stories. Labour have done **** all for this country except provide, a former president who is a walking contradiction in Mary Robinson, a feminist who is best mates with rich Arabs, and also failed country when they were in coalition, and got wiped out. Thought they were a party of the working classes, but they have shown their true colours in the past few years. Lots of things should be banned, and the justice system should be overhauled before anything else, also public serve ts and politicians are grossly overpaid, but once again this kind of issue is promoted at the expense of real issues, it doesn't matter if advertising is banned, people will still do what they want.

BattleCorp · 23-02-2021 12:12am

I'm usually against bans but surprisingly I've no problem with this proposal.

If someone wants to gamble, go ahead. There's no proposal to ban that.

23-02-2021 9:23am

Gambling should be treated the same as smoking. No advertising for it.

CrazyFather1 · 23-02-2021 9:40am

What companies are we going to ban next?
Seems everyone has a problem with some company or another
Cars kill people, so ban them?
Phones are bad for kids if they use too much, ban them?

Maybe instead of banning everything, with each deal a percentage is taken out to pay for awareness, a program for young adults to teach them about betting etc. So when they finally do hit the big World they know what to do, instead of wrapping them in cotton wool and then they fail when left on their own

CrazyFather1 · 23-02-2021 9:45am

Look at banning alcohol. Has this actually reduced alcoholics? anyone know?
Has it reduced the sale of alcohol?

What it has reduced is the ability of sports organisations like the IRFU, FAI to drive sponsorship deals which bring in money. The same money which runs clubs all over the country for young people to play in. Stopping them from drinking alcohol.

No big picture with this stuff from what I can see,.

km991148 · 23-02-2021 9:47am

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

What companies are we going to ban next?
Seems everyone has a problem with some company or another
Cars kill people, so ban them?
Phones are bad for kids if they use too much, ban them?

Maybe instead of banning everything, with each deal a percentage is taken out to pay for awareness, a program for young adults to teach them about betting etc. So when they finally do hit the big World they know what to do, instead of wrapping them in cotton wool and then they fail when left on their own

I don't think this it's some cancel culture bollocks. It's about trying to nudge society in the direction we as a society would (generally) want to live in. It's a fine balance and you won't please everyone. However, in this case, If we let companies do what they wanted all the time then (to take the opposite of your extreme argument) we would still have doctors on TV endorsing the healthier brands of cigarette.

Re the gambling - it's like allowing betting shops to open en masse in poorer areas because they know there are more likely to be gamblers there, specifically problem gamblers that will bet way beyond their means. Should we allow that sort of free for all as well?

CrazyFather1 · 23-02-2021 9:51am

km991148 wrote: »

I don't think this it's some cancel culture bollocks. It's about trying to nudge society in the direction we as a society want. It's a fine balance. If we let companies do what they wanted all the time then (to take the opposite of your extreme argument) we would still have doctors on TV endorsing the healthier brands of cigarette.

Re the gambling - it's like allowing betting shops to open en masse in poorer areas because they know there are more likely to be gamblers there, specifically problem gamblers that will bet way beyond their means. Should we allow that sort of free for all as well?

It is a cancel culture
Everyone is offended over everything these days
What happens when they have everything banned, then they will move onto sports
Oh rugby is dangerous, we need to cancel that
Soccer oh heading the ball is dangerous, we need to cancel that
GAA, what the f**k, need to cancel that

km991148 · 23-02-2021 9:52am

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

Look at banning alcohol. Has this actually reduced alcoholics? anyone know?
Has it reduced the sale of alcohol?

What it has reduced is the ability of sports organisations like the IRFU, FAI to drive sponsorship deals which bring in money. The same money which runs clubs all over the country for young people to play in. Stopping them from drinking alcohol.

No big picture with this stuff from what I can see,.

I'm pretty sure they look at the big picture and have access to all the stats including harm reduction numbers, hospital figures, and the negative impacts on other industries (especially considering sports and the alcohol industries have powerful lobbyists).
You might not be looking at the big picture as closely (which you freely admit when you are asking for numbers).

dan1895 · 23-02-2021 9:54am

MrMusician18 wrote: »

A lot of sports will simply go out of existence without gambling sponsorship. I'm thinking snooker, a lot of European soccer leagues (including LoI)/quote]

How will the League of Ireland go out of existence without gambling sponsorship? There is only a handful of clubs with gambling sites as sponsors.

km991148 · 23-02-2021 9:55am

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

It is a cancel culture
Everyone is offended over everything these days
What happens when they have everything banned, then they will move onto sports
Oh rugby is dangerous, we need to cancel that
Soccer oh heading the ball is dangerous, we need to cancel that
GAA, what the f**k, need to cancel that

Nah, not buying it. It's easy to generalise every thing as 'cancel culture' (which is a problem in society, people spitting the dummy at every little thing from celebrities that say something by mistake to kk argue bodies like RTE).

I would always look for ways to change something before cancelling it, a d that's what this is - the idea of changing a system that is harmful for many- not cancellation at all.

CrazyFather1 · 23-02-2021 9:56am

km991148 wrote: »

Nah, not buying it. It's easy to generalise every thing as 'cancel culture' (which is a problem in society, I would always look for ways to change something before cancelling it).
This is changing a system that is harmful for many- not cancellation at all.

Has banning alcohol adverts reduced alcohol consumption or alcoholics?

That is the main question I would be asking

23-02-2021 9:56am

NIMAN wrote: »

If it puts an end to those ridiculously cringeworthy Paddy Power adverts, I'm all for it.

"The Emirates never sounded so good".

Wasn't funny the 1st time, let alone the 500th.

Same goes for Paddy Power underpants trophies!

I do like the adverts with Ruby!

El_Duderino 09 · 23-02-2021 9:57am

Gambling is very addictive in the same way that we are seeing that social media is addictive. And like Facebook and Twitter, they employ science to make it as addictive as possible. They make it addictive to keep coming back and betting small amounts so you don’t get any big shocks from losing but amounts.

The stakes are very low for social media addiction but with gambling they turn real money into tokens and you can flit them around. People lose out loads to gambling addiction and like most addictions, it’s mostly secretive.

I listened to a chat about the proposal and they said that more Irish young people gamble than in comparable countries. So it’s not just about people of legal age gambling.

They’re not proposing to ban gambling or even problem gambling, just a ban on advertising. I’m fine with that. Those who want to gamble will still do so. They banned cigarette advertising and it didn’t stop those who wanted to smoke from smoking.

CrazyFather1 · 23-02-2021 9:57am

km991148 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure they look at the big picture and have access to all the stats including harm reduction numbers, hospital figures, and the negative impacts on other industries (especially considering sports and the alcohol industries have powerful lobbyists).
You might not be looking at the big picture as closely (which you freely admit when you are asking for numbers).

If people can show banning alcohol ad actually worked then yes I would say ban gambling. Yet to see anything to say it has

What it has hurt is the sports organisations,

CrazyFather1 · 23-02-2021 9:59am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Gambling is very addictive in the same way that we are seeing that social media is addictive. And like Facebook and Twitter, they employ science to make it as addictive as possible. They make it addictive to keep coming back and betting small amounts so you don’t get any big shocks from losing but amounts.

The stakes are very low for social media addiction but with gambling they turn real money into tokens and you can flit them around. People lose out loads to gambling addiction and like most addictions, it’s mostly secretive.

I listened to a chat about the proposal and they said that more Irish young people gamble than in comparable countries. So it’s not just about people of legal age gambling.

They’re not proposing to ban gambling or even problem gambling, just a ban on advertising. I’m fine with that. Those who want to gamble will still do so. They banned cigarette advertising and it didn’t stop those who wanted to smoke from smoking.

Would it not be better to take some of the money and teach young people about it, so stop as many as possible in secondary school. Teach them about gambling, how it works. etc

That would have a bigger knock on than banning gambling.

23-02-2021 10:01am

I wonder if AK will hang onto his greyhound? https://www.grireland.ie/results/greyhound-search/greyhound-details/?gid=AKAY%20FORTY%20SEVEN

km991148 · 23-02-2021 10:02am

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

If people can show banning alcohol ad actually worked then yes I would say ban gambling. Yet to see anything to say it has

What it has hurt is the sports organisations,

Sure, spin off another thread. You might be right, you might be surprised, but I think it's a separate topic.

I don't have the numbers to hand either, doesn't mean either of us are right or wrong. All I'm saying is I'm sure the powers that be did look at the numbers and took everything they could into consideration. It might even have been known that sponsorship would take a short term dip but they still went ahead as they were hoping to reduce overall harm reduction. Definitely worth of s thread I'd say.

dan1895 · 23-02-2021 10:05am

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

If people can show banning alcohol ad actually worked then yes I would say ban gambling. Yet to see anything to say it has

What it has hurt is the sports organisations,

If you think that banning gambling adverts won't work then surely you thing that advertising these companies doesn't work on the first place so what's the problem banning them?

km991148 · 23-02-2021 10:06am

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

Would it not be better to take some of the money and teach young people about it, so stop as many as possible in secondary school. Teach them about gambling, how it works. etc

That would have a bigger knock on than banning gambling.

Yeah, like they guy that came and taught us about drugs.. that worked out well.... :pac:

Also I don't think anyone is talking about banning gambling. Just cutting the adverts in order to make it less appealing or accessible.
You have no idea the amount of research that goes into making gambling more addictive (via betting machines in shops, promotions on TV, advertising types on all platforms).
Some randomer handing out pamphlets in school doesn't have a chance- it's real David a s Goliath stuff.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-02-2021 10:07am

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

Would it not be better to take some of the money and teach young people about it, so stop as many as possible in secondary school. Teach them about gambling, how it works. etc

That would have a bigger knock on than banning gambling.

Who has proposed banning gambling?

Lol it would have a big knock on effect alright. I’m not sure if you’re serious or not.

Have you seen the Paddy Power ads which don’t mention the product at all, it’s just a load of sports celebrities telling the viewer to gamble responsibly? If PP has figured out that they can increase sales by just telling peopep about gambling responsibly, then the gambling industry would be delighted with proposals to teach young people all about how to gamble responsibly. Priming the pump.

It might be covered in some kind of education on addictions.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-02-2021 10:10am

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

If people can show banning alcohol ad actually worked then yes I would say ban gambling. Yet to see anything to say it has

What it has hurt is the sports organisations,

If you found out that young people who grew up with fewer alcohol or cigarette advertisements went on to drink and smoke less, would that be convincing to you?

CrazyFather1 · 23-02-2021 10:11am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Who has proposed banning gambling?

Lol it would have a big knock on effect alright. I’m not sure if you’re serious or not.

Have you seen the Paddy Power ads which don’t mention the product at all, it’s just a load of sports celebrities telling the viewer to gamble responsibly? If PP has figured out that they can increase sales by just telling peopep about gambling responsibly, then the gambling industry would be delighted with proposals to teach young people all about how to gamble responsibly. Priming the pump.

It might be covered in some kind of education on addictions.

Gambling was a huge issue when no TV or radio existed. Yet now we think banning advertisement is going to resolve the issue?

A proper education program, not by the gambling companies could work. Who knows.

But sure best just to ban everything and take advertisement money from sports organisations so they have less clubs for young people. Don't really think that is a great success either?

Esho · 23-02-2021 10:11am

Yes, what a great free ride the gambling industry has had. The rise of gambling addiction is massive since online gambling is so easy.
Banning adds is the very least that needs to be done.
It also needs much higher regulation

km991148 · 23-02-2021 10:11am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It might be covered in some kind of education on addictions.

Yeah, it should be covered all right. In some sort of cyberpsychology course that makes people aware of just exactly how the internet works.

23-02-2021 10:14am

I never saw the appeal to gambling. I'm grateful for that disposition.

km991148 · 23-02-2021 10:17am

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

Gambling was a huge issue when no TV or radio existed. Yet now we think banning advertisement is going to resolve the issue?

A proper education program, not by the gambling companies could work. Who knows.

But sure best just to ban everything and take advertisement money from sports organisations so they have less clubs for young people. Don't really think that is a great success either?

And so was sending heavies round for anyone that couldn't pay their debts, but the industry has moved away from that. Then there was probably a period of balance where gambling was advertised but not as accessible as it is now. Last 10/15 years it's went pretty far in the favour of the gambling industry, so these proposals are to level the field a little bit.

These things are always like a cat and mouse game. Sometimes one party gets ahead, then they need to catch up a bit.

The question tho that was asked at the start: why is it on Labour to bring this in? It seems (based in this small sample survey) that most people would be in favour of regulation.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-02-2021 10:22am

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

Gambling was a huge issue when no TV or radio existed. Yet now we think banning advertisement is going to resolve the issue?

A proper education program, not by the gambling companies could work. Who knows.

But sure best just to ban everything and take advertisement money from sports organisations so they have less clubs for young people. Don't really think that is a great success either?

Who has proposed banning gambling?

It wouldn’t resolve the issue - I don’t think anyone has said it would resolve the issue, have they?

It would almost certainly help reduce the size of the issue.

Ban gambling adverts?

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