Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

kilns · 19-02-2021 03:17PM

JMNolan wrote: »

What astounds me is how casual ye are about it. Genuinely astonishing. You don't even realize how serious it is to take away peoples freedoms.

With freedom comes personal responsibility and you have clearly shown you lack the personal responsibility to act in the best interests of the country as a whole, like many Irish as I said, they are selfish people.

If people acted responsible and take their own personl precautions I am sure Ireland would not be locked down so tight but some people are like 2 year olds and dont have that self control which ruins it for everyone else

Boggles · 19-02-2021 03:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s actually pathetic how many people want to blame others for daring to go 7km from their home or maybe even go mental and drop into their ma for a cuppa tea. What sort of hideous person would take part in such barbaric acts?

Still inventing scenarios to be outraged over?

Must be exhausting.

19-02-2021 03:19PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

At least you came clean as to why it has to be done. The irresponsible minority can not be allowed jeopardise progress for everyone else.

Eh. I won't be following restrictions to the letter any more. I'll be visiting family in their home in another county, spending the night occasionally.

I also mask up in shops (and have since it got me funny looks over a year ago), wash my hands, disinfect my groceries, keep my distance from people, and stay well away from the vulnerable people I know. Prior to Christmas I took my child out of school early and filled up the freezer so I could isolate for 14 days before spending Christmas with vulnerable relatives.

The only possible vector for catching/spreading Covid in my life would be a garda checkpoint if they breathe their gross germs all over me.

My conscience is alright with that level of "irresponsibility".

As stated many times, there are degrees between "lock everything down level 5" and "let it rip, **** the oldies".

Kermit.de.frog · 19-02-2021 03:20PM

kilns wrote: »

With freedom comes personal responsibility and you have clearly shown you lack the personal responsibility to act in the best interests of the country as a whole, like many Irish as I said, they are selfish people.

If people acted responsible and take their own personl precautions I am sure Ireland would not be locked down so tight but some people are like 2 year olds and dont have that self control which ruins it for everyone else

Will you go away out of that with your common sense.

"Personal responsibility"? lol. These boardsies are seeking love and support. It's a cry for help in my considered opinion.

timmyntc · 19-02-2021 03:21PM

kilns wrote: »

With freedom comes personal responsibility and you have clearly shown you lack the personal responsibility to act in the best interests of the country as a whole, like many Irish as I said, they are selfish people.

If people acted responsible and take their own personl precautions I am sure Ireland would not be locked down so tight but some people are like 2 year olds and dont have that self control which ruins it for everyone else

Rights are absolute - they cannot be taken away, and there are no terms & conditions. If they can be taken away - then you never had that freedom in the first place, just the illusion of same.

bettyoleary · 19-02-2021 03:21PM

Green Peter wrote: »

I think the media need to stop being puppets like George Lee, everytime I see him on the 6 one I can't get the picture of Tony Holohans hand stuck up his ass out of my head as he talks what they have fed him. The government and heath authorities failures need to be highlighted at every turn. I want to see the daily suicide figures, the daily admissions to mental health units (for those who get in another debacle). Add these to the other stats they hit us with.

Since you seem to be quite stable at the moment with your mental health as you are advocating for those that arnt quite as well as you. What is your solution to the problem. Lock down boarders and bring mass civil unrest about from those who are just waiting to start again? Or allow the virus to rip and see health care workers collapse from tiredness, nursing homes swamped with infections and death, hospital icu's no longer able to function? Teachers out sick, parents not sure when they can or cant go to work due to constant staff disruption due to isolation.

Or , perhaps would you like to see a considered re opening based on stats and the roll out of the vaccine. Educated people like the NHpet members who have protected our country as best they can when govt has clearly bowed to public pressure and caused thousand of unnecessary deaths over Christmas. You actually cant blame this totally on Govt though as if MM told you to put you head in the fire would you. People behaved the way they did at Christmas because they wanted too. They had to have Their dinner and go shopping!!!!!!

Get a grip and also your free to do what you want. You may have to pay a fine but work away. We are not a totalitarian country and people have choices. Its your choice bud how you behave MM didnt tell you you could or couldnt.:D

19-02-2021 03:23PM

Boggles wrote: »

What are you done with?

Didn't you tell me months ago you weren't following any the restrictions from the start?

So again, what are you done with?

I was clearly referring to the other people coming on here and saying how they had adhered all along, but after latest announcement, they're now finished.

And yes, I have always made my own risk assessment re: the Covid situation. Nothing will change in that regard.

Have a good Friday, Mr. Boggles, and everyone else. I'm off to enjoy the fine weather. *grabs umbrella*

RGS · 19-02-2021 03:23PM

We are a year into this virus and the only tactic is level 5 lockdown--They threw out the "living with Covid" plan an hour after it was published.

We have 40 members of NPHET, 15 cabinet members and 2 advisors per minister (85 people in total) on combined salaries of approx. €12M and this is their best tactical approach.

It is clear we are building up serious problems economically for our children & grandchildren and more importantly serious health problems in the next 2/3 years with undiagnosed cancers, treatable cancers becoming terminal and possibility obesity in our teenagers from lack of sport.

Kids who would have continue with sports even though they may not be totally immersed in the sport, will have no incentive to return having lost nearly a year of training, games and fun.

We have to find a way to get activities going again. We pay these minister enough money to come up with solutions.

FintanMcluskey · 19-02-2021 03:24PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I never said level 5 restrictions will go on years and years. I expect that level to be well over by the summer.

Some restrictions and/or mandates on masks etc will remain for quite a while.

There are no games. It's the reality of the situation the world is in that there is going to be different levels of restrictions depending on the circumstances of the virus in that region.

So let it rip by Summer?

What about all the dead people

Silentcorner · 19-02-2021 03:24PM

kilns wrote: »

With freedom comes personal responsibility and you have clearly shown you lack the personal responsibility to act in the best interests of the country as a whole, like many Irish as I said, they are selfish people.

If people acted responsible and take their own personl precautions I am sure Ireland would not be locked down so tight but some people are like 2 year olds and dont have that self control which ruins it for everyone else

Wow....again, listen to yourself,

Sweden took the personal precaution route, we didn't, we took the fear and control route...in time, we will see just how disastrous that is, and we won't have to wait long, unemployment could tip 30% this year...mental health issues are off the charts, many people who were perfectly healthy this time last year are now in a very precarious place on account of Government Action....cancer deaths and heart disease (the biggest killers in this country) are going to increase by a

The country is being split into two very different groups

One group can only see Covid, experts on mutations, variants etc....love the lockdowns...think therer is no other solution.

The other group are looking at the collective damage that is being done beyond Covid....looking at countries who haven't locked down and see more or less similar results with a fraction of the pain.

Guess which group the media and politicians fall into!!!

timmyntc · 19-02-2021 03:24PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Will you go away out of that with your common sense.

"Personal responsibility"? lol. These boardsies are seeking love and support. It's a cry for help in my considered opinion.

I'd wager that most of those people in hospital or ICU had personal responsibility too - the virus doesnt care about how responsible you think you are - short of cocooning yourself indoors indefinitely, you are at some risk of catching covid.

Over christmas people were legally allowed to go and meet and shop and drink - the government endorsed this message. Obeying the government rules on socialising sounds pretty "responsible" to me.

It is a pathetic attempt to deflect, to try and blame this on irresponsible people - anything to avoid criticising your precious government.
How does that boot taste Kermit?

kilns · 19-02-2021 03:25PM

timmyntc wrote: »

Rights are absolute - they cannot be taken away, and there are no terms & conditions. If they can be taken away - then you never had that freedom in the first place, just the illusion of same.

So what is your solution for the irresponsible people like some posters on here who`s lack of care and selfishness would spread the virus while those who are responsible members of society who can take their own personal precautions have to suffer.

If Ireland had a society which was less selfish people could go about their daily lives more freely but with precautions but unfortunately, going to house parties drinking cans etc and then going back to their families is not one

Kermit.de.frog · 19-02-2021 03:26PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

So let it rip by Summer?

What about all the dead people

We'll be level 4 for summer in my opinion so not radically different. Only if really good progress is made in the next few weeks, which is still possible, can I see level 3 being an option.

FintanMcluskey · 19-02-2021 03:26PM

RGS wrote: »

We are a year into this virus and the only tactic is level 5 lockdown--They threw out the "living with Covid" plan an hour after it was published.

We have 40 members of NPHET, 15 cabinet members and 2 advisors per minister (85 people in total) on combined salaries of approx. €12M and this is their best tactical approach.

It is clear we are building up serious problems economically for our children & grandchildren and more importantly serious health problems in the next 2/3 years with undiagnosed cancers, treatable cancers becoming terminal and possibility obesity in our teenagers from lack of sport.

Kids who would have continue with sports even though they may not be totally immersed in the sport, will have no incentive to return having lost nearly a year of training, games and fun.

We have to find a way to get activities going again. We pay these minister enough money to come up with solutions.

NPHET’s advice summarised

High case numbers = severe lockdown

Low case numbers = severe lockdown

Silentcorner · 19-02-2021 03:26PM

We have been ruthlessly conditioned into believing it is dangerous for us to visit our parents.

That took a whole lot of hysteria using our deeply held fear of death against us....stay at home, save granny!!!

The problem with the lockdown lovers, there is ample evidence that they are not effective....the WHO was right, they should only be used as a last resort, we are using it as our only resort.

Boggles · 19-02-2021 03:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I was clearly referring to the other people coming on here and saying how they had adhered all along, but after latest announcement, they're now finished.

And yes, I have always made my own risk assessment re: the Covid situation. Nothing will change in that regard.

Have a good Friday, Mr. Boggles, and everyone else. I'm off to enjoy the fine weather. *grabs umbrella*

Not all heroes wear capes, some have umbrellas.

Have a good one.

timmyntc · 19-02-2021 03:28PM

kilns wrote: »

So what is your solution for the irresponsible people like some posters on here who`s lack of care and selfishness would spread the virus while those who are responsible members of society who can take their own personal precautions have to suffer.

If Ireland had a society which was less selfish people could go about their daily lives more freely but with precautions but unfortunately, going to house parties drinking cans etc and then going back to their families is not one

Expand ICU facilities, implement a proper track & trace system (one that actually looked at contacts earlier than the last 48hrs?) - you know, the things we pay the government and health service to do?

They had a near unlimited budget, a blank cheque, and yet they couldnt accomplish *any* of this. Their only tool was a sledgehammer of total lockdown of the economy.

But the worst part is how little people in this county (people like you) hold the government responsible. They messed up in times of crisis - their goal is to lead on our behalf, and they totally failed.

Idbatterim · 19-02-2021 03:28PM

hoard money for when **** hits the fan lads! Secondly if those fools, actually told us the numbers we need to get too, for certain restrictions to ease, you would have far more collective buy in and "team spirit". The nonsense of "concern" and we need to get the numbers down, dont tell us anything we dont know. People are fed up of the virus and they are fed up of the fools in nphet and politicians.

SusieBlue · 19-02-2021 03:31PM

kilns wrote: »

With freedom comes personal responsibility and you have clearly shown you lack the personal responsibility to act in the best interests of the country as a whole, like many Irish as I said, they are selfish people.

If people acted responsible and take their own personl precautions I am sure Ireland would not be locked down so tight but some people are like 2 year olds and dont have that self control which ruins it for everyone else

Your comments would be fair if we were two weeks into this but a whole year has passed, and we have nothing but another 3 months+ of heavy lockdown to look forward to.
People have sacrificed a huge amount over the last year and there is only so much they can take.
You can’t curtail personal freedoms, limit movement, keep half a million people out of work and isolate people from their family and friends for 12 months and not expect to see some push back eventually.

You talk as if people are robots. It is absolutely not selfish to want to spend time with your loved ones after 8 weeks of not seeing them and a whole year of not being allowed to see them for months at a time.

Kermit.de.frog · 19-02-2021 03:31PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

stay at home, save granny!!!

This.....is a great idea for a billboard heading toward the summer

Idbatterim · 19-02-2021 03:31PM

ShyMets wrote: »

Just Hold firm. Two more weeks. Put on the Green jersey. Stay safe. In this together. Stay at Home.

Think I've covered of most of the clichés

Bang on! Reality... "stay safe" "in this together" "hold firm" "eight more months sorry eight more weeks of this"

All in this together, imagine asking people to start paying for this now, the cost of it, see what buy in you would have. Of course the politicians will try and navigate this first, then deal with the fall out. But when you know where this is headed, its pure idiocy...

Its a real shame they had the easy option of borrowing tens of billions , they would have had to properly problem solve, if this wasnt an option. Pity they will be able to borrow enough, to bring the entire **** crashing down too... because it just wastes months and end result financially is worse

malinheader · 19-02-2021 03:32PM

They are blaming the extended lockdown on the UK strain being around 90% of the covid cases in the country now.
If the south African strain gets a grip here I suspect we will be locked down for good.

kilns · 19-02-2021 03:32PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Wow....again, listen to yourself,

Sweden took the personal precaution route, we didn't, we took the fear and control route...in time, we will see just how disastrous that is, and we won't have to wait long, unemployment could tip 30% this year...mental health issues are off the charts, many people who were perfectly healthy this time last year are now in a very precarious place on account of Government Action....cancer deaths and heart disease (the biggest killers in this country) are going to increase by a

The country is being split into two very different groups

One group can only see Covid, experts on mutations, variants etc....love the lockdowns...think therer is no other solution.

The other group are looking at the collective damage that is being done beyond Covid....looking at countries who haven't locked down and see more or less similar results with a fraction of the pain.

Guess which group the media and politicians fall into!!!

I am Irish but I live in Switzerland. In general it has a very responsible population. For example, recently a public vote was held to increase the number of working holidays by 5 per year. It was overwhelmingly defeated as most agreed it would affect productivity. Imagine the same scenario in Ireland.

Since January, Switzerland has been locked down mostly, with the exception of schools remained open, essential shops open and ski resorts open too. Our cases are 1026 on average for the last 7 days (double the population of Ireland and more densely populated). However on March 1st, the country will begin to reopen with all outdoor areas open from Zoos, Musuems etc and from April 1st restaurants will open too.

The reason this is possible is because they mostly adhere to the rules in place and also take their own precautions. The country can begin to open up because they know things will not spread quickly as people will stay remain cautious.

Of course there are bad apples everywhere who cannot play by the rules but Irish people seem to have a large large number of these people.

I for one am looking forward to driving to Italy in May for a holiday

timmyntc · 19-02-2021 03:33PM

malinheader wrote: »

They are blaming the extended lockdown on the UK strain being around 90% of the covid cases in the country now.
If the south African strain gets a grip here I suspect we will be locked down for good.

The reality is they have managed things woefully, and as a result compliance is down. It is never going up again.

Most people are not afraid of the virus, and they could not care less about the governments messaging anymore. Any goodwill that was there is long gone.

We will never see sub 100 cases - it will plateau long before then.

kilns · 19-02-2021 03:34PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Your comments would be fair if we were two weeks into this but a whole year has passed, and we have nothing but another 3 months+ of heavy lockdown to look forward to.
People have sacrificed a huge amount over the last year and there is only so much they can take.
You can’t curtail personal freedoms, limit movement, keep half a million people out of work and isolate people from their family and friends for 12 months and not expect to see some push back eventually.

You talk as if people are robots. It is absolutely not selfish to want to spend time with your loved ones after 8 weeks of not seeing them and a whole year of not being allowed to see them for months at a time.

I agree but the point I am making is that it is certain people who ruin for everyone else, who will organise big house parties etc and say fcuk the precautions that ruin it for the normal every day person

growleaves · 19-02-2021 03:35PM

kilns wrote: »

I for one am looking forward to driving to Italy in May for a holiday

Lol you're some man for one man :pac:

Claims Irish people shouldn't have freedom. Enjoys freedom and takes a nice holiday to Italy

Idbatterim · 19-02-2021 03:36PM

kilns wrote: »

I am Irish but I live in Switzerland. In general it has a very responsible population. For example, recently a public vote was held to increase the number of working holidays by 5 per year. It was overwhelmingly defeated as most agreed it would affect productivity. Imagine the same scenario in Ireland.

Since January, Switzerland has been locked down mostly, with the exception of schools remained open, essential shops open and ski resorts open too. Our cases are 1026 on average for the last 7 days (double the population of Ireland and more densely populated). However on March 1st, the country will begin to reopen with all outdoor areas open from Zoos, Musuems etc and from April 1st restaurants will open too.

The reason this is possible is because they mostly adhere to the rules in place and also take their own precautions. The country can begin to open up because they know things will not spread quickly as people will stay remain cautious.

Of course there are bad apples everywhere who cannot play by the rules but Irish people seem to have a large large number of these people.

I for one am looking forward to driving to Italy in May for a holiday

interesting. Can I ask, is there a proper plan in place? is the buy in from the public, because they have far more faith in their system and politicians or do they have proper benchmarks , for when cases fall to X, Y and Z reopen?

timmyntc · 19-02-2021 03:36PM

kilns wrote: »

I agree but the point I am making is that it is certain people who ruin for everyone else, who will organise big house parties etc and say fcuk the precautions that ruin it for the normal every day person

Those people exist in every country - but when you have been in total lockdown for months at a time with no end in sight, why wouldnt you break the rules? The very reason compliance is so poor lately, is because we have had such tough restrictions - people have had enough.

The idea that the Swiss are so much more responsible is a load of tripe

bettyoleary · 19-02-2021 03:36PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

We have been ruthlessly conditioned into believing it is dangerous for us to visit our parents.

That took a whole lot of hysteria using our deeply held fear of death against us....stay at home, save granny!!!

The problem with the lockdown lovers, there is ample evidence that they are not effective....the WHO was right, they should only be used as a last resort, we are using it as our only resort.

If you have a parent in a nursing home go and demand to take them out for the day and visit. You just cant go in but theres nothing stopping you taking them out. Perhaps they really shouldnt be there anyway.

19-02-2021 03:36PM

kilns wrote: »

So what is your solution for the irresponsible people like some posters on here who`s lack of care and selfishness would spread the virus while those who are responsible members of society who can take their own personal precautions have to suffer.

If Ireland had a society which was less selfish people could go about their daily lives more freely but with precautions but unfortunately, going to house parties drinking cans etc and then going back to their families is not one

People can control their own risk by staying home without everyone being mandated to.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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