Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

frank8211 · 19-02-2021 02:47PM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1362749107719319554
And Italy right now
Well it is looking like Ireland really will be last in Europe to reopen. If Italy, one of the most impacted countries on earth, can provide freedoms pictured above and still maintain current downward trajectory of COVID deaths, there is no excuse for Ireland to be so so far behind in it's schedule.

There is every excuse. We have a much weaker health service than any of those countries

normanoffside · 19-02-2021 02:49PM

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

Down to 50 a day over the summer where we could of eliminating the virus like New Zealand .

I'm done with living in lockdown Average age of death in Ireland is 83, average age of people dying from Corona is 83.

Need a living with Covid plan not shut up shop

We were down to single figures for most of June, one day as low as 4.

pm1977x · 19-02-2021 02:52PM

MOH wrote: »

Uh, we are.

You do realise you're currently supposed to be staying in your home at all times except for exercise and buying essentials?

It's effectively a 24 hour curfew.

Go away out of that, this thread is so full of nonsense it's almost unreadable at times.

corcaigh07 · 19-02-2021 02:53PM

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

I actually like Leo. Martin is an absolute knob

Leo will do or say anything to come out smelling of roses. If Fine Gael had any sense, Simon Coveney would have won the leadership (he comfortably won the popular vote).

MM is just as bad, just doesn't have the lick of polish to smoothen things over.

19-02-2021 02:53PM

growleaves wrote: »

People can object to multi-year Level 5 restrictions sans conspiracy theorising.

Even you could object. Did you start out believing that anything except 'low double-digit case numbers' merits "severe lockdown" all of the time?

Where have I said to have the beliefs you are attributing to me? Just because I understand the merits of societal restrictions to manage a dangerous pathogens does not mean I am an adherent of zero Covid, or that I don’t also believe that school return, retail reopening and construction return are not appropriate at the moment. It’s the bizarre nonsense that is spouted in support of opening that is objectionable not the want to reopen

And is the loudmouth fringe who descend into the bizarre conspiracy,

19-02-2021 02:56PM

FlubberJones wrote: »

More and more people are feeling like this though, I am at the point where I have done all the right things and still have another lockdown continuation. It all seems pointless and we are being steered by an inept bunch of clowns

I care about myself and my partner, other people are not my concern.

So your solution is if you can't beat them join them?

The restrictions have brought the cases down from 8000 per day to the current level, but we are still having cases in the hundreds every day.

So sick of reading the constant whinging here about how long the restrictions have been going on for, when the very reason the level hasn't been lightened is because of rampant non-compliance. Look what happened after Christmas when they lifted restrictions for a couple of weeks.

Now more and more here are saying they're going to just give up and do whatever the **** they like. And they'll wonder in 3, 4, 5 weeks time, why the numbers are going up again, and the restrictions have to be continued.

Its very disheartening for anyone who is vulnerable to read this, especially when the vaccination programme has been started and there could be an end in sight.

But sure, "other people are not your concern". I honestly give up.

Kermit.de.frog · 19-02-2021 02:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So your solution is if you can't beat them join them?

The restrictions have brought the cases down from 8000 per day to the current level, but we are still having cases in the hundreds every day.

So sick of reading the constant whinging here about how long the restrictions have been going on for, when the very reason the level hasn't been lightened is because of rampant non-compliance. Look what happened after Christmas when they lifted restrictions for a couple of weeks.

Now more and more here are saying they're going to just give up and do whatever the **** they like. And they'll wonder in 3, 4, 5 weeks time, why the numbers are going up again, and the restrictions have to be continued.

Its very disheartening for anyone who is vulnerable to read this, especially when the vaccination programme has been started and there could be an end in sight.

But sure, "other people are not your concern". I honestly give up.

It's worse. They want to lift restrictions from a base of daily cases nearly ten times worse than before Christmas when dreadful mistakes were made that have us where we are now.

It would be an absolute disaster and a severe lockdown would be recommenced in quick succession that would surely see out the year.

Such nuance seems in short supply here. In the real world it isn't like that of course. People generally understand the precariousness of the situation.

19-02-2021 03:00PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just because I understand the merits of societal restrictions to manage a dangerous pathogens does not mean I am an adherent of zero Covid, or that I don’t also believe that school return, retail reopening and construction return are not appropriate at the moment.

So when do you think it is appropriate to reopen? The virus isn't going away. Considering the statistics/data, surely you'd agree that once the elderly and medically vulnerable are vaccinated, we'll have to simply get on with it and "live with the virus"?

kilns · 19-02-2021 03:01PM

JMNolan wrote: »

I think people think I reckless for letting the young lad off with his friends but I'm not convinced these restrictions will ever be lifted. People will scoff "how could they keep restrictions forever" and they're probably right but there are constant extensions to the current restrictions, constant virus variants coming into existence. So until it's shown to the contrary as far as I'm concerned these restrictions are here for good and I then have to decide how to live based on that.

Not sure if this guy is joking or not but this would be the exact reason why Ireland is in level 5, if each citizen took responsibilty for their own actions and didnt gather in crowds and did stupid things like his son will do, then I am sure Ireland would not be in such a locked down state.

Its sad to say but Irish people dont like being told what to do and can be very irresponsible people at times from I dont want to pay water charges to littering streets. Its no wonder people have to take these freedoms away

JMNolan · 19-02-2021 03:02PM

kilns wrote: »

Its no wonder people have to take these freedoms away

At least you admit what's being done.

muddypuppy · 19-02-2021 03:04PM

frank8211 wrote: »

There is every excuse. We have a much weaker health service than any of those countries

Yes and no. Covid can grow exponentially. Doubling our hospital/ICU capacity overnight would give us maybe a week given what we have seen during the december/january wave. Quadrupling it, bringing us to the top of the Europe and very close to the best country in the world would give us a couple weeks

kilns · 19-02-2021 03:05PM

JMNolan wrote: »

At least you admit what's being done.

Exactly because a lot of people are too selfish to realise what they have and ruin it for others and so to protect others it needs to be taken away because of these people.

It would be great if some Irish people took a certain amount of personal responsibility for once and stopped blaming others

Kermit.de.frog · 19-02-2021 03:05PM

JMNolan wrote: »

At least you admit what's being done.

At least you came clean as to why it has to be done. The irresponsible minority can not be allowed jeopardise progress for everyone else.

19-02-2021 03:06PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So your solution is if you can't beat them join them?

The restrictions have brought the cases down from 8000 per day to the current level, but we are still having cases in the hundreds every day.

So sick of reading the constant whinging here about how long the restrictions have been going on for, when the very reason the level hasn't been lightened is because of rampant non-compliance. Look what happened after Christmas when they lifted restrictions for a couple of weeks.

Now more and more here are saying they're going to just give up and do whatever the **** they like. And they'll wonder in 3, 4, 5 weeks time, why the numbers are going up again, and the restrictions have to be continued.

Its very disheartening for anyone who is vulnerable to read this, especially when the vaccination programme has been started and there could be an end in sight.

But sure, "other people are not your concern". I honestly give up.

It's done, I'm afraid. One year with still little end in sight. Many have had enough now and won't continue to play ball.

We'll have to just get the at risk vaccinated asap and reopen. They can't keep going this way beyond 2021 anyway, economically speaking. I feel this is the beginning of the end, regardless of what the government or NPHET think.

Graham · 19-02-2021 03:06PM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

It's not going on and on because some people are not following the rules. It's going on and on despite the vast majority of people following them.

So you're saying it's those moving around for essential purposes and the minority that aren't following the rules.

I'd probably agree.

growleaves · 19-02-2021 03:07PM

Kermit you like a comment saying that "the vaccination programme has been started and there could be an end in sight."

Yet you have already said that restrictions will go on for years and years in your opinion.

The authorities being happy for people to think that lockdowns will continue post-vaccination, and not trying to quell ambiguity about post-vaccination restrictions is going to have effects on "buy-in".

Why didn't anyone in Government explicitly contradict Sam McConkey's claim of a possible 6 years of restrictions?

You can't play games and still expect people to conform to your open-ended demands.

The authorities have left themselves room to play the 'new variants' card.

kilns · 19-02-2021 03:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's done, I'm afraid. One year with still little end in sight. Many have had enough now and won't continue to play ball.

We'll have to just get the at risk vaccinated asap and reopen. They can't keep going this way beyond 2021 anyway, economically speaking. I feel this is the beginning of the end, regardless of what the government or NPHET think.

Hope has to be provided, a roadmap. I.e. Certain date below certain number of cases and move down a restriction etc etc with time lines for going up or down restrictions.

gozunda · 19-02-2021 03:10PM

RobitTVUK wrote:

Government 'increasingly positive' that Brits will be able to have a foreign break this year amid hopes vaccine passport will make international travel 'straightforward'

There is said to be growing optimism in Whitehall that trips abroad will be allowed in the coming months.

It is thought some countries could require proof of vaccination as a condition for quarantine-free travel in the future.

That must be the most daft singular collection of wishy washy media quotes I've seen to date.

Pure rubbish media taglines and click bait.

The UK prime minister has already said that "too early" to know if trips abroad will be allowed this summer with Nichola Sturgeon going further saying travel outside the UK is unlikely.

What the UK is pushing for the summer is domestic holidays. Currently in the UK travel for holiday and other leisure purposes is illegal. . As is leaving your house for anything other than essential reasons.

And yet we have some permantly wallowing themselves with this type of tabloid bs.

Golfman64 wrote: »

When this happens, and it will, the level of anger in Ireland at our insular, backward thinking incompetent government will reach a fever pitch we may never have seen before. I’m part looking forward to watching it unfold and partly depressed at how we are stuck in this situation and in a place where we are fined and criminalised if we leave our own country to avail of a better governed and more prosperous land!!!

No it won't 'happen' in the way that tabloid click bait suggests.

All countries have massive restrictions on non essential travel atm.

And yes those restrictions will be rolled back as things improve.

But if you sincerely believe there are "better governed and more prosperous lands" without restrictions out there atm - then you are free to depart as moving abroad permanently is not restricted.

hynesie08 · 19-02-2021 03:10PM

kilns wrote: »

Hope has to be provided, a roadmap. I.e. Certain date below certain number of cases and move down a restriction etc etc with time lines for going up or down restrictions.

No plans are going to include set dates anyway. It'll be a checklist of vaccines/cases/icu.

Kermit.de.frog · 19-02-2021 03:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's done

Exact same thing typed by various posters in each of the following months...;)

March 2020
April 2020
May 2020
June 2020
July 2020
August 2020
September 2020
October 2020
November 2020
December 2020
January 2021
February 2021

JMNolan · 19-02-2021 03:11PM

kilns wrote: »

Exactly because a lot of people are too selfish to realise what they have and ruin it for others and so to protect others it needs to be taken away because of these people.

It would be great if some Irish people took a certain amount of personal responsibility for once and stopped blaming others

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

At least you came clean as to why it has to be done. The irresponsible minority can not be allowed jeopardise progress for everyone else.

What astounds me is how casual ye are about it. Genuinely astonishing. You don't even realize how serious it is to take away peoples freedoms.

St.Spodo · 19-02-2021 03:11PM

Haven't seen anyone socially since 23 December. I cancelled pub and restaurant plans prior to Christmas when the HSE and Fáilte Ireland were putting out ads about how washing your hands made it safe to go to packed gastropubs. I'm going out to meet my friends and have a few cans and watch the football tomorrow, because I feel like I need some normality and cannot bare the thought of another 9 weeks of being quarantined whilst perfectly healthy.

RobitTV · 19-02-2021 03:12PM

Even Joe Duffy sounds very depressed this afternoon about the level 5 restrictions continuing for possibly another 70 days. So much frustrating is bubbling across the country.

19-02-2021 03:13PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Exact time thing typed by various posters in each of the following months...;)

March 2020
April 2020
May 2020
June 2020
July 2020
August 2020
September 2020
October 2020
November 2020
December 2020
January 2021
February 2021

I could say the same for the "hold firm, we're almost there" crowd

19-02-2021 03:14PM

It’s actually pathetic how many people want to blame others for daring to go 7km from their home or maybe even go mental and drop into their ma for a cuppa tea. What sort of hideous person would take part in such barbaric acts?

Yet no one questions why our politicians and doctors have done the sum of nothing in over a year to allow us to live with Covid.

Why don’t we have top class tracing in place? Why haven’t we extended ICU as much as possible? Why aren’t we using antigen testing? Why haven’t we properly controlled the airports?

Those things require work. Easier to just shut down and subject people to poverty and in humane conditions.

Sure the people will blame each other if the narrative is there in the media.

Boggles · 19-02-2021 03:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's done, I'm afraid. One year with still little end in sight. Many have had enough now and won't continue to play ball.

What are you done with?

Didn't you tell me months ago you weren't following any the restrictions from the start?

So again, what are you done with?

gozunda · 19-02-2021 03:16PM

Leftwaffe wrote:

People will ultimately need to take to the streets at some stage.

JMNolan wrote: »

My son has a few buddies over today and he's heading off tonight for a house party. He's thrilled and I'm thrilled for him.

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I mean what could possibly go wrong with us all having some mass protests or heading off to house parties just barely a month out from Ireland having the highest rate of infection in the world...

I mean seriously wtf ...

SusieBlue · 19-02-2021 03:16PM

growleaves wrote: »

Do you worry about the people you are harming by lending your support to multi-year severe lockdowns?

I knew you wouldn’t get a reply to this from anyone. Very telling.

UDAWINNER · 19-02-2021 03:16PM

JMNolan wrote: »

I'll be grand, don't worry about old JMNolan!

Great, Just what we need another Me Feiner:(

Kermit.de.frog · 19-02-2021 03:16PM

growleaves wrote: »

Kermit you like a comment saying that "the vaccination programme has been started and there could be an end in sight."

Yet you have already said that restrictions will go on for years and years in your opinion.

The authorities being happy for people to think that lockdowns will continue post-vaccination, and not trying to quell ambiguity about post-vaccination restrictions is going to have effects on "buy-in".

Why didn't anyone in Government explicitly contradict Sam McConkey's claim of a possible 6 years of restrictions?

You can't play games and still expect people to conform to your open-ended demands.

The authorities have left themselves room to play the 'new variants' card.

I never said level 5 restrictions will go on years and years. I expect that level to be well over by the summer.

Some restrictions and/or mandates on masks etc will remain for quite a while.

There are no games. It's the reality of the situation the world is in that there is going to be different levels of restrictions depending on the circumstances of the virus in that region.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings